I think most (if not all) of us are pleased with results of Sam Hartman to this point. I know the season isn’t over but he has been a stable and experienced addition to the most critical position on the offense. If the rest of the season plays out with these same outcomes, does (should) we look for the same in the transfer portal for next year or stick with Angeli, Minchey and Carr and trust in our recruiting and coaching? I guess it really depends on who’s out there? Curious to see your thoughts. I would like to think we have faith in the recruiting and coaching but Parker is also a huge “?” at this point as well.

Do we think there is a chance that Carr starts as a freshman?  I would be very interested in that  🙂

I would say no at this point simply because I do not see a quality QB entering the portal this year. The SMU QB doesnt interest me, ND would be better off just building what they have.

If a very good QB enters the portal, I would think about it.

At some point, ND has to develop their own QBs to sustain success:

- I do not think Angeli will ever be the start at ND unless the starter gets hurt halfway through the season.

- I think Minchey has potential to be a quality starter, but definitely not guaranteed.

- Carr has a very high floor, but may not be ready as a true freshmen. I think he could lead us to 8-9 victories next year, but would struggle against quality teams.

Edited October 23, 20231 yr by NDhoosier

57 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

I would say no at this point simply because I do not see a quality QB entering the portal this year. The SMU QB doesnt interest me, ND would be better off just building what they have.

If a very good QB enters the portal, I would think about it.

At some point, ND has to develop their own QBs to sustain success:

- I do not think Angeli will ever be the start at ND unless the starter gets hurt halfway through the season.

- I think Minchey has potential to be a quality starter, but definitely not guaranteed.

- Carr has a very high floor, but may not be ready as a true freshmen. I think he could lead us to 8-9 victories next year, but would struggle against quality teams.

I think you take a transfer for the very reasons you laid out

 

Lets say Angeli transfers, Minchey gets hurt... then you are stuck with a freshman... more talent the better

1 hour ago, Synoptico said:

I think you take a transfer for the very reasons you laid out

 

Lets say Angeli transfers, Minchey gets hurt... then you are stuck with a freshman... more talent the better

Maybe, but I am not taking a QB just to take a body. I think teams who constantly get QB transfers may have issues getting QBs to sign with them in the future out of high school. I would still only take an elite QB from the portal; similar to Hartman's projection or better.

You have to consider it, especially if you do not think that Minchey or Angeli are capable starters next year.  If you think one of them can be a capable starter, and also believe that Carr "could" be better than you likely do not seek a starter via transfer. If you think neither of the two incumbents could start next year then regardless of what you think of Carr you go find someone. 

3 hours ago, NDhoosier said:

Maybe, but I am not taking a QB just to take a body. I think teams who constantly get QB transfers may have issues getting QBs to sign with them in the future out of high school. I would still only take an elite QB from the portal; similar to Hartman's projection or better.

I think you put it best…no need to take a warm body unless something drastic happens there, but if a guy that greatly improves your team it’s a no brainer

Just now, mcgov12 said:

I think you put it best…no need to take a warm body unless something drastic happens there, but if a guy that greatly improves your team it’s a no brainer

Yeah I'd need it to be a player who has played at the level ND plays at. I dislike continuing to use Riley Leonard, but because Duke plays the ACC he'd be a tske for me if he wanted to come.

I love the idea of Carr coming in and taking over, and he looks great IMO.  But that seems unlikely.  Minchey won't stick around if he's not 1 or 2 in spring.  And if he's behind Carr, I bet he's out.  

I think the portal will be more crowded than ever this offseason - it's the new normal.  We'll have opportunities that might fit.  If we don't take, we're going to have a bumpy '24 with a young QB.

17 minutes ago, JeffV said:

I love the idea of Carr coming in and taking over, and he looks great IMO.  But that seems unlikely.  Minchey won't stick around if he's not 1 or 2 in spring.  And if he's behind Carr, I bet he's out.  

I think the portal will be more crowded than ever this offseason - it's the new normal.  We'll have opportunities that might fit.  If we don't take, we're going to have a bumpy '24 with a young QB.

Yeah, it's a bit of a catch 22. Bring in a QB from the portal and for sure one of Angeli/Minchey will hit the road. Stand pat and hope someone doesn't leave because they've fallen to 3rd on the QB depth chart after spring ball. Would hate to lose Minchey before we can really see what he's made of.

@Texas A&M
Northern Illinois
@Purdue
Miami of Ohio
Louisville
Stanford
@Georgia Tech
Navy (in NJ)
Florida State
Virginia
@USC

Unless there is an absolute DUDE who wants to come to South Bend, if I'm Freeman, I roll my own QB against this schedule.  Angeli/Minchey should hopefully be ok against this schedule.  Yes, starting on the road at A&M is baptism by fire, but the rest of that schedule is very doable.  Granted, there is one more game to be added due to the Miami/ACC snafu.  Hopefully the last team added is a decent school but not a barn burner.  Maybe Boston College or Wake Forest.  Idk.

Next season starts the 12 team CFP, ND won't need to run the table to get in anymore.  Even if they lose to A&M and FSU 10-2 should still get them in.  Who knows what USC is next season.  With cuntface, I mean Caleb, unsure about declaring for the NFL Draft after this season based on who the top few teams turn out to be and rumors of Riley looking to move on to the NFL, USC could be right back to where they were two years ago.  A dumpster fire.  

At some point, the program has to trust the process and our own talent to develop and learn and play as an underclassman.  The staff has strung together a nice streak of landing top talented QBs in the past three classes.  That trend will not last if those QBs keep getting passed up for hired guns from the portal.

Actually, let me double down on everything above.  I do get a QB from the portal, no matter what.  Either its the "dude" I mentioned at the beginning of my rant, the QB that you just cannot pass up on.  Or you bring in someone, with experience, that knows they're not starting, and the rest of the kids know as well so hopefully no one transfers out.  Someone to be a mentor.  Someone that will basically be Guidugli's assistant.  Maybe its someone that wants to get an ND degree.  Maybe its a graduate transfer that knows they're not making the NFL and has aspirations in coaching and wants to bank a year of ND NIL money.  As long as the team isn't up against the scholarship limit and its needed for someone else, I bring in that seasoned veteran backup.

7 hours ago, NYGoldenDomer said:

@Texas A&M
Northern Illinois
@Purdue
Miami of Ohio
Louisville
Stanford
@Georgia Tech
Navy (in NJ)
Florida State
Virginia
@USC

Unless there is an absolute DUDE who wants to come to South Bend, if I'm Freeman, I roll my own QB against this schedule.  Angeli/Minchey should hopefully be ok against this schedule.  Yes, starting on the road at A&M is baptism by fire, but the rest of that schedule is very doable.  Granted, there is one more game to be added due to the Miami/ACC snafu.  Hopefully the last team added is a decent school but not a barn burner.  Maybe Boston College or Wake Forest.  Idk.

Next season starts the 12 team CFP, ND won't need to run the table to get in anymore.  Even if they lose to A&M and FSU 10-2 should still get them in.  Who knows what USC is next season.  With cuntface, I mean Caleb, unsure about declaring for the NFL Draft after this season based on who the top few teams turn out to be and rumors of Riley looking to move on to the NFL, USC could be right back to where they were two years ago.  A dumpster fire.  

At some point, the program has to trust the process and our own talent to develop and learn and play as an underclassman.  The staff has strung together a nice streak of landing top talented QBs in the past three classes.  That trend will not last if those QBs keep getting passed up for hired guns from the portal.

Actually, let me double down on everything above.  I do get a QB from the portal, no matter what.  Either its the "dude" I mentioned at the beginning of my rant, the QB that you just cannot pass up on.  Or you bring in someone, with experience, that knows they're not starting, and the rest of the kids know as well so hopefully no one transfers out.  Someone to be a mentor.  Someone that will basically be Guidugli's assistant.  Maybe its someone that wants to get an ND degree.  Maybe its a graduate transfer that knows they're not making the NFL and has aspirations in coaching and wants to bank a year of ND NIL money.  As long as the team isn't up against the scholarship limit and its needed for someone else, I bring in that seasoned veteran backup.

Ok NYGoldenDomer, so which is it? It looks like you're going both ways here...lol

At some point, the program has to trust the process and our own talent to develop and learn and play as an underclassman.  The staff has strung together a nice streak of landing top talented QBs in the past three classes.  That trend will not last if those QBs keep getting passed up for hired guns from the portal.

or

Actually, let me double down on everything above.  I do get a QB from the portal, no matter what.

12 hours ago, jimbo said:

Ok NYGoldenDomer, so which is it? It looks like you're going both ways here...lol

At some point, the program has to trust the process and our own talent to develop and learn and play as an underclassman.  The staff has strung together a nice streak of landing top talented QBs in the past three classes.  That trend will not last if those QBs keep getting passed up for hired guns from the portal.

or

Actually, let me double down on everything above.  I do get a QB from the portal, no matter what.

Did you read past "no matter what" or did you stop there?  I clearly explained myself.

12 hours ago, NYGoldenDomer said:

Did you read past "no matter what" or did you stop there?  I clearly explained myself.

I was just playfully observing that you had made a pretty good case for not bringing in a QB from the portal and obviously your last paragraph 'doubles down' on bringing one in. Just a little good-natured ribbing is all.

11 hours ago, jimbo said:

I was just playfully observing that you had made a pretty good case for not bringing in a QB from the portal and obviously your last paragraph 'doubles down' on bringing one in. Just a little good-natured ribbing is all.

Oh, no I got it dude, we're good.  I was ribbing back as well lol 🍻🍻

So the word is the coaching staff is going to meet to discuss next year and the possibilities of going back into the portal. Between the lines it seems to say “convince me we have THE GUY” or “Not sure about what we have so let’s explore”. The landscape of college football has changed. You better have a stud or keep looking. IMHO