NIL has been a thing for a few years now. 

 

Across the Nation

Michigan won with an older team like Notre Dame is stockpiling

 

Mid to late round kids are having their signing bonuses "paid" to stay in school. If your 1st or 2nd round. No NIL can match the immediate pay-day of a signing bonus. Round 3-7? NIL can make the money a wash. In other words say said NFL team offers a 3rd rounder 300k to sign but their team offers 500k and a college degree. They stay. No NIL collective was going to pay Joe Alt 20 + million to stay. However if Estime knew his bonus value dipped under 500k than he might of had second thoughts.

 

I believe as Jbrown Said Sam Hartman made more at ND than he will to sign with an NFL team. Now when he makes it that changes but I'm talking fast cash.

 

ND appears to lose kids to the portal but gain rather easy access to experienced QBs and kickers.

 

What are your thoughts?

For me, it provides a "legal" method for ND to capitalize on its pool of wealthy alums to compete for talent as opposed to losing to the bagmen of yesterday

It evens the field for ND, but a bunch of have-nots don't stand a chance.  Few non-power 5 kids will stay with the school that developed them.  ND and the like will be the beneficiaries.

It's hard for the NCAA to walk it back at this point, but it does seem to need a level of oversight.

Impact of NIL on ND:

I think it's a wash.  Most teams that are any good are going to offer a lot of NIL money.  My guess is that the money is probably pretty equal at the bigger football schools, ND being one of those.  With the portal being what it is, players can come and go and still get paid.

Impact of NIL on me:

Hate it.  I had 3 kids that I paid full price to get degrees from expensive name-brand schools, including a Masters at ND.  I work hard for the money, so hard for it honey, but no one treats me right.  I HATE that players can make hundreds of thousands of dollars and still get their tuition paid, while hard-working families pay full freight for their kids to go to the school.  I'm a little hot under the sports collar about that. 

I get that it's the way of the world.  I just wish the generous alumni who fund NIL would instead fund scholarships.  That wouldn't help the team, but it sure would help a lot of people.  The team and school can find a way.  Individual families may not.

4 hours ago, AnTostal said:

Impact of NIL on ND:

I think it's a wash.  Most teams that are any good are going to offer a lot of NIL money.  My guess is that the money is probably pretty equal at the bigger football schools, ND being one of those.  With the portal being what it is, players can come and go and still get paid.

Impact of NIL on me:

Hate it.  I had 3 kids that I paid full price to get degrees from expensive name-brand schools, including a Masters at ND.  I work hard for the money, so hard for it honey, but no one treats me right.  I HATE that players can make hundreds of thousands of dollars and still get their tuition paid, while hard-working families pay full freight for their kids to go to the school.  I'm a little hot under the sports collar about that. 

I get that it's the way of the world.  I just wish the generous alumni who fund NIL would instead fund scholarships.  That wouldn't help the team, but it sure would help a lot of people.  The team and school can find a way.  Individual families may not.

Slight nit, take the government out of guaranteed student loans.  Single handedly has been the biggest cause of soaring tuition and crushing debt for borrowers.

Otherwise I'm in between as far as NIL.  It's chaos currently and we are still in Flux with the changes that have happened and stuff that's still to come.  We are far from settled in this shifting landscape of college athletics.

The players are getting paid because there is a market that wants to see success on the field.  Because that market watches, advertisers pay a lot of money to be seen while that market watches.  In return, that advertising money comes back to the school in the form of millions of dollars in various ways.  Paying for better players means even more value for advertisers and more money for Notre Dame to build buildings or fund programs.

The average student who goes to Notre Dame doesn’t generate millions of dollars for the school.  If they decide not to go there, someone else will fill the spot so they can have access to the excellent education funded by the football program and its players.  I don’t see why the university would pay students to come (except for the absolute brightest) when supply and demand is in Notre Dame’s favor in a big way.  The alums are part of the market that wants results on the field so their money goes towards those results which in turn increases value for Notre Dame, too.  Paying kids to come doesn’t have much benefit to those alums either…

I get what’s being said about working hard to pay for your kid to go to college, but there are just too many folks in the same boat while a big source of revenue for schools is football…the value of the school increases if football thrives.  It’s simple business, unfortunately, and ordinary students are the consumer.  Nobody pays consumers if they want to stay in business.

We're all guilty of enabling the football players in making money. I'm not logging in every day to see how Notre Dame's debate team's recruiting is going. But football is a different story and others with same interest but more disposable income are funding NIL deals.

 

On 5/3/2024 at 7:42 AM, jbrown_9999 said:

We're all guilty of enabling the football players in making money. I'm not logging in every day to see how Notre Dame's debate team's recruiting is going. But football is a different story and others with same interest but more disposable income are funding NIL deals.

It appears there's not too much happening with the ND debate team, but they'd probably argue with you about that...

https://debateteam.nd.edu/

 

Since NIL, notre dame recruiting has improved. We are quietly productive with NIL. Freeman and ND has played the game right.

so, NIL = overall positive for ND

also - ND / NCAA should not benefit off the NIL of players who provide an immense profit (direct and indirect) to the school. It’s no different than ND providing a full ride to the top .01% student. ND benefits overall from both scenarios more than they pay. 

it’s good business. 
 

if someone disagrees, then vote with your viewership. It’s the only way to change

i feel it’s fair. Football is a highly profitable, violent, life-shortening sport. Players should be compensated fairly based on the benefit they bring to the school

 

Does  it upend the sport that we love and create uncomfortable change? Yes…

Is the net benefit in favor of the schools? Yes, otherwise they wouldn’t be participating 

2 minutes ago, 97domer said:

Since NIL, notre dame recruiting has improved. We are quietly productive with NIL. Freeman and ND has played the game right.

so, NIL = overall positive for ND

also - ND / NCAA should not benefit off the NIL of players who provide an immense profit (direct and indirect) to the school. It’s no different than ND providing a full ride to the top .01% student. ND benefits overall from both scenarios more than they pay. 

it’s good business. 
 

if someone disagrees, then vote with your viewership. It’s the only way to change

i feel it’s fair. Football is a highly profitable, violent, life-shortening sport. Players should be compensated fairly based on the benefit they bring to the school

 

Does  it upend the sport that we love and create uncomfortable change? Yes…

Is the net benefit in favor of the schools? Yes, otherwise they wouldn’t be participating 

I completely agree, especially what you said here in bold!

Players really need to be compensated appropriately!

 

 

WTF is Rhoback?

3 minutes ago, NYGoldenDomer said:

WTF is Rhoback?

LOL. So there is the real pot of gold in NIL, regional and obscure businesses with enough money get national exposure. I want to see the first kid with a tampon crammed in his broken nose forge an NIL deal with Tampax.

Edited August 16, 2024Aug 16 by EddieAngel

2 minutes ago, EddieAngel said:

LOL. So there is the real pot of gold in NIL, regional and obscure businesses with enough money get national exposure. I want to see the first kid with a tampon crammed in his broken nose forge an NIL deal with Tampax.

Indeed, this is the way its meant to be done.  Not pay to play bagmen.

31 minutes ago, NYGoldenDomer said:

WTF is Rhoback?

Its actually quite a big clothing brand in the athleasure space and golfing area. 

27 minutes ago, NYGoldenDomer said:

Indeed, this is the way its meant to be done.  Not pay to play bagmen.

There was at least one pretty amusing article a while back about confessions of a bagman, sad to see it go. Kids today will never know the joys of having to go to some dingy craphole and talk to some freak for 40 minutes to buy a couple grams of weed and they will never know the complex business of hiding money from the authorities. Sad days my friends.

11 minutes ago, Synoptico said:

It’s actually quite a big clothing brand in the athleasure space and golfing area. 

I  saw that too, and it looks pretty nice!