Vegas Shooting

[Domer Dude 0]

I got an idea.

 

Let ban all social media because it is so bad and arm everyone with thermonuclear weapons because weapons aren't the problem but the internet.

 

There were no wars or discrimination before the internet.

[ndomer4 532]

I got an idea.

 

Let ban all social media because it is so bad and arm everyone with thermonuclear weapons because weapons aren't the problem but the internet.

 

There were no wars or discrimination before the internet.

 

Come on man, it's a hotel security problem....

[OKCIrish99 3]

I helped my mother in law buy a car today and struck up a conversation with a salesmen there. He said the general manager of the dealership was 2 rooms down from the shooter when this occurred. He said he fired continuously for 15 minutes. So so sad. Condolences to all victims, friends and family. RIP.

[Morgandonor 30]

No one is trying to justify gun laws...as it was said earlier...the fact is if it wasn't a gun it would have been something else this idiot would have used...you take our guns away we are left to fight these extremist with knives or bats what ever it may be....the criminal is going to find away to get what they want that is what makes it scarey....dont take away my only defense to protect my family...its not fair if they can shoot and I can only throw....

[Soko 128]

No one is trying to justify gun laws...as it was said earlier...the fact is if it wasn't a gun it would have been something else this idiot would have used...you take our guns away we are left to fight these extremist with knives or bats what ever it may be....the criminal is going to find away to get what they want that is what makes it scarey....dont take away my only defense to protect my family...its not fair if they can shoot and I can only throw....

 

Nobody is trying to take away your guns!!! There are over 310 million guns in circulation in America so nobody is ever going to challenge this and win.

 

Just add some common sense to the whole thing. Close loopholes for buying guns at gun shows, make these bump stocks illegal, do not approve suppressors for general sale etc.. Right now the NRA has the country's legislators balls in a purse and it is embarrassing.

Edited October 5, 2017 by Soko

[JTennant 290]

No one is trying to justify gun laws...as it was said earlier...the fact is if it wasn't a gun it would have been something else this idiot would have used...you take our guns away we are left to fight these extremist with knives or bats what ever it may be....the criminal is going to find away to get what they want that is what makes it scarey....dont take away my only defense to protect my family...its not fair if they can shoot and I can only throw....

 

The video I posted articulates your sentiment(redneck rhetoric) into concrete irrefutable facts that libtards can't logically argue.

 

I would say the day the government can guarantee that I will not become a victim of a violent crime they can have my guns, but naww... I like me some guns

 

Saturday by Joseph Tennant, on Flickr

 

Just in case someone breaks in during football Saturdays

[echo88 74]

I got an idea.

 

Let ban all social media because it is so bad and arm everyone with thermonuclear weapons because weapons aren't the problem but the internet.

 

There were no wars or discrimination before the internet.

 

Hahaha "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek"

[jessemoore97 1,295]

Nobody is trying to take away your guns!!! There are over 310 million guns in circulation in America so nobody is ever going to challenge this and win.

 

Just add some common sense to the whole thing. Close loopholes for buying guns at gun shows, make these bump stocks illegal, do not approve suppressors for general sale etc.. Right now the NRA has the country's legislators balls in a purse and it is embarrassing.

 

No one is trying to take away your guns? Read the decisions of SCOTUS for Heller vs D.C. The four liberal desenters argued that individuals do not have the right to own firearms...of any sort. That's a one judge flip if a Democratic appointee made it onto the court had HRC won and a similar case comes before the court. But 2nd amendment advocates are loons and nut jobs and have nothing to fear....

 

BTW you realize the gun shop loop hole has been disproven a number of times right? Bump stocks and the like fine, no argument. Suppressors are truly a non argument if you understand what they are and their purpose instead of Hollywood fantasy about them. Finally do a check about how much money the NRA gives in political contributions, it's pretty small. Then compare it to other political contributors like unions, pharma, agriculture, energy, and so forth. They aren't even close. And consider what do they get out of their contributions? The NRA is powerful because they have the interests and concerns of millions of Americans and speak generally on the behalf of those people and their 2nd Amendment rights.

Edited October 5, 2017 by jessemoore97

[jessemoore97 1,295]

Glad you mentioned that, I'm sure what you consider gun violence is really important to those who have lost a loved one due to suicide by gun.

 

http://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/attempts-by-method-brady_0.png

 

Aren't suicide rates higher in Canada, Belgium, Austria, and Japan among others compared to the US? Aren't those countries fairly gun free?

 

I've worked with families dealing with suicide, to date the mechanism by which they ended their life wasn't the problem they were most concerned about. The gun or whatever isn't what pulled the trigger or made them jump off a bridge etc, it was a sick person who choose that course of action. The question is always what could we have done different to have helped them.

[Soko 128]

Finally do a check about how much money the NRA gives in political contributions, it's pretty small. Then compare it to other political contributors like unions, pharma, agriculture, energy, and so forth. They aren't even close. And consider what do they get out of their contributions? The NRA is powerful because they have the interests and concerns of millions of Americans and speak generally on the behalf of those people and their 2nd Amendment rights.

 

Please, just stop. This is just ridiculous.

 

The NRA spent over $50 million on the 2016 election presidential election and 6 senate races alone. What do they get out of it? Pro gun politicians in their back pockets who allow them flout any bit of common sense and bring ridiculous gun laws to the floor. This suppressor law is just not something that is required but again is being pushed by the gun lobby as they look to open up new avenues of revenue.

[Soko 128]

LOL There is no f*cking way that many rounds went off without a hitch using a bump stock let alone not causing any catastrophic issues with the weapon itself. The bump stock uses the weapons own recoil as a means to fire off rapid rounds.

 

Those were finely tuned weapons of death that cost anywhere from 10-20k/each.

 

If you believe they were off the shelf weapons with modified bolts then you're still very very uneducated. There was a team of pros behind this incident, 100%.

 

The cops are now saying they are pretty confident he had help and even may have planned to escape. This was way too much for one old man to undertake successfully and is very, very fishy.

[coltssb 1,044]

The cops are now saying they are pretty confident he had help and even may have planned to escape. This was way too much for one old man to undertake successfully and is very, very fishy.

 

So are you saying their was a second gunman? And the second guy shot him and then fled to pin it on him. Hmm..

[echo88 74]

The cops are now saying they are pretty confident he had help and even may have planned to escape. This was way too much for one old man to undertake successfully and is very, very fishy.

 

Please don't buy into the age-old conspiracy BS where you can offer opinions that are flimsy at best until proven otherwise. If I wanted to roll into Vegas and kill 50+ people, Id accomplish that easily from an elevated position above a jam-packed country concert with automatic assault weapons. In fact, I'd probably hit a hell of a lot more because this guy was an untrained weapon enthusiast who had apparently been set off by something years ago when he started buying them.

 

I'd haul all my ammo/firearms in standard baggage and, like most people checking into Vegas hotels, take 2 or 3 trips getting it all upstairs. Mandalay Bay, particularly when you book a suite, won't ask a single question when you roll in with 2 or 3 times the normal baggage. Theyll bring it up for you.

 

This is exactly why social media is evil. Instead of accepting the fact that evil exists, particularly the motivated kind in insurmountable debt, it needs to put some kind of political/conspiratorial spin on things so that we can all put it into perspective so that normal citizens can understand it....

 

This "old man" literally needed to only remove his assault weapons from his many bags, set them up on tripods, and go to town...

Edited October 5, 2017 by echo88

[JTennant 290]

Please don't buy into the age-old conspiracy BS where you can offer opinions that are flimsy at best until proven otherwise. If I wanted to roll into Vegas and kill 50+ people, Id accomplish that easily from an elevated position above a jam-packed country concert with automatic assault weapons. In fact, I'd probably hit a hell of a lot more because this guy was an untrained weapon enthusiast who had apparently been set off by something years ago when he started buying them.

 

I'd haul all my ammo/firearms in standard baggage and, like most people checking into Vegas hotels, take 2 or 3 trips getting it all upstairs. Mandalay Bay, particularly when you book a suite, won't ask a single question when you roll in with 2 or 3 times the normal baggage. Theyll bring it up for you.

 

This is exactly why social media is evil. Instead of accepting the fact that evil exists, particularly the motivated kind in insurmountable debt, it needs to put some kind of political/conspiratorial spin on things so that we can all put it into perspective so that normal citizens can understand it....

 

This "old man" literally needed to only remove his assault weapons from his many bags, set them up on tripods, and go to town...

 

Saying that you can't offer opinions, because you can not prove them is very autocratic, and scary at the very least...

 

I get that it can be annoying to sit and listen to know nothings talk about their uneducated "conspiracy" theories, but I feel like there is nothing wrong with asking how, why, or questioning the media about the validity and accuracy of their stories (see Tom Petty).

 

While you're example is plausible.. It's fairly easy to get guns into a hotel room, perch and mow down 500+ people, but below are a few questions that I have regarding the entire incident.

 

I'm questioning if these weapons are modified off the shelf rifles who's internal parts are not really designed for full auto fire. Seems a bit ballsy and maybe that's why he brought over 10 of them to the crime scene knowing that some of them would jam during the rapid fire..? How did he manage to break 2 strong windows without alerting anyone? Casino and Hotel security is pretty tight from what I understand. Glass break sensors work when they hear the sound of glass breaking..?

 

Other than authorities claim that an alarm was being sounded on the 4th floor, why does it seem like muzzle flash is coming from the 4th floor and not the 32nd? I don't know the trigonometry involved, but assuming he would need to be somewhat close to the open windows to alleviate the blowback gas and powder issue from expelling so many rounds in a short amount of time (never saw him or heard of him having any type of respirator)..

 

Alarms flicker and this flicker wasn't a consistently timed flash..

 

Just some questions I'd love answered

[stdntDrvr 12]

Saying that you can't offer opinions, because you can not prove them is very autocratic, and scary at the very least...

 

I get that it can be annoying to sit and listen to know nothings talk about their uneducated "conspiracy" theories, but I feel like there is nothing wrong with asking how, why, or questioning the media about the validity and accuracy of their stories (see Tom Petty).

 

While you're example is plausible.. It's fairly easy to get guns into a hotel room, perch and mow down 500+ people, but below are a few questions that I have regarding the entire incident.

 

I'm questioning if these weapons are modified off the shelf rifles who's internal parts are not really designed for full auto fire. Seems a bit ballsy and maybe that's why he brought over 10 of them to the crime scene knowing that some of them would jam during the rapid fire..? How did he manage to break 2 strong windows without alerting anyone? Casino and Hotel security is pretty tight from what I understand. Glass break sensors work when they hear the sound of glass breaking..?

 

Other than authorities claim that an alarm was being sounded on the 4th floor, why does it seem like muzzle flash is coming from the 4th floor and not the 32nd? I don't know the trigonometry involved, but assuming he would need to be somewhat close to the open windows to alleviate the blowback gas and powder issue from expelling so many rounds in a short amount of time (never saw him or heard of him having any type of respirator)..

 

Alarms flicker and this flicker wasn't a consistently timed flash..

 

Just some questions I'd love answered

 

ugh. He used a bump fire stock. If you have a good bolt in your gun, it will fire with no problems. You can hear him trying to manage the stock in the video of the actual shooting. You can hear the rate of fire increase and decrease throughout bursts from the gun. This can be attributed to how he's holding the rifle and body movements during trigger pull. The AR I had was known for having 20,000 rounds fired without any gun-related misfires or jams without ever being cleaned. They're not complicated and prone to failure unless you have a cheap rifle and/or cheap ammo. Usually the only separation between a semi auto rifle and a full auto rifle is a sear and a cutout in the lower. Most bolts that are not bottom of the barrel quality are rated for full auto. He also had multiple rifles in the room. If one were to jam or burn up (which takes a huge volume of constant firing), he could simply pick up another and continue the assault on the crowd below. His main issue would have been dealing with the heat off the rifle vs. something within the rifle failing.

 

There were 2 broken windows in his suite. With circulating air from the vents and the access to open air, I doubt he had an issue with the expelled gasses.

[echo88 74]

Saying that you can't offer opinions, because you can not prove them is very autocratic, and scary at the very least...

 

I get that it can be annoying to sit and listen to know nothings talk about their uneducated "conspiracy" theories, but I feel like there is nothing wrong with asking how, why, or questioning the media about the validity and accuracy of their stories (see Tom Petty).

 

While you're example is plausible.. It's fairly easy to get guns into a hotel room, perch and mow down 500+ people, but below are a few questions that I have regarding the entire incident.

 

I'm questioning if these weapons are modified off the shelf rifles who's internal parts are not really designed for full auto fire. Seems a bit ballsy and maybe that's why he brought over 10 of them to the crime scene knowing that some of them would jam during the rapid fire..? How did he manage to break 2 strong windows without alerting anyone? Casino and Hotel security is pretty tight from what I understand. Glass break sensors work when they hear the sound of glass breaking..?

 

Other than authorities claim that an alarm was being sounded on the 4th floor, why does it seem like muzzle flash is coming from the 4th floor and not the 32nd? I don't know the trigonometry involved, but assuming he would need to be somewhat close to the open windows to alleviate the blowback gas and powder issue from expelling so many rounds in a short amount of time (never saw him or heard of him having any type of respirator)..

 

Alarms flicker and this flicker wasn't a consistently timed flash..

 

Just some questions I'd love answered

 

There are always lots of questions when someone manages to kill 50+ people in a single setting, but introducing the idea that this was somehow an operation orchestrated by someone else ( or an organization) using this idiot as a perch is seriously the dumbest, laziest conjecture I'd expect from a generation who gets its news from social media.

 

He's a psycho. Psychos used to have to rely on household means and old fashioned creativity to accomplish their goals of killing lots of people. They dont anymore. Now psychos can rely on the interwebs to answer their questions about how to inflict mass casualties and how to get away with it. Killers will get better and better at this and we should just get used to it. Ban guns and you will get mass stabbings like they have in China. It doesnt matter. It's not even like there are a lot of questions here: his dad had violent tendencies and virtually everyone who knew this guy said he was a compulsive gambling a$$hole with a possessive streak who routinely threatened his "girlfriend" who worked at the casinos he frequented.

 

Societal tendencies worldwide are breeding lunatics who want their names scattered across mainstream media headlines as their final act...and it's working. ISIS publishes videos because it elicits a response. And if this idiot was alive, Im sure he'd be proud of the ridiculous news coverage this story is getting from the same people who sh|t a brick when a Kardashian land whale is spotted wearing a new bathing suit.

 

Social media has only accomplished linking up stupid people with other stupid people.

Edited October 5, 2017 by echo88

[echo88 74]

But so glad every sheep with a FB/Twitter account will hear of tragedy and run to their accounts so that they can send their "thoughts and prayers". Those thoughts and prayers mean d|ck to those affected.

 

It's essentially a means of saying "hey don't forget about me" in light of this news-monopolizing event....

[EddieAngel 508]

But so glad every sheep with a FB/Twitter account will hear of tragedy and run to their accounts so that they can send their "thoughts and prayers". Those thoughts and prayers mean d|ck to those affected.

 

It's essentially a means of saying "hey don't forget about me" in light of this news-monopolizing event....

 

I think it is tough to just say social media, it is the internet as a hole. It creates a rush to report "news" which is frequently inaccurate or at least only loosely factual. Then a lot of other outlets get their "news" from the internet and try to make it a little more lively, piggybacking off of information that is already at least partially false. I don't want to go all Trump here and ramble on about fake news, but the rush to be the first on to report something leads to irresponsible disbursement of "facts" as well as these purely fantasized conspiracy theories.

 

I love the internet in the sense that it keeps me employed, but that aside I find it to be a bane on society as a whole.

[echo88 74]

I think it is tough to just say social media, it is the internet as a hole. It creates a rush to report "news" which is frequently inaccurate or at least only loosely factual. Then a lot of other outlets get their "news" from the internet and try to make it a little more lively, piggybacking off of information that is already at least partially false. I don't want to go all Trump here and ramble on about fake news, but the rush to be the first on to report something leads to irresponsible disbursement of "facts" as well as these purely fantasized conspiracy theories.

 

I love the internet in the sense that it keeps me employed, but that aside I find it to be a bane on society as a whole.

 

But Im not talking about news. Im talking about average, everyday citizens who feel compelled to feign concern/sadness over acts like Vegas. If I have to watch Jimmy Kimmel "cry" over one more news event, Im going to puke.

[imroc 4]

Horrible event. Words cannot sum up what happened. Glad you are ok LVI.

 

I got up this morning and checked the news feed and saw this. Like probably 90% or better of people, I thought foreign terror attack. Then I saw it was a white guy, then thought **** was it some racist, sovereign POS shooting up hip hop/rap concert. Then I saw it was a country concert and said WTF?! So far the preliminaries aren't showing much of this guy being on the radar for radical behavior or criminal conduct. Falling Down(Michael Douglas flick) type of snapping? Doesn't explain the signals of premeditation. I guess we'll find out as the days pass.

 

I know people have varying opinions regarding gun control. Mine haven't changed regarding current laws regulating firearms. Whatever drove this POS do this, I feel he may have done something with or without firearms. Consider an outdoor event this size and how easy it would be to ram a large truck through the congested crowds. Myself and many others talked about this method years ago, some probably considered it long before that. Obviously this has become a popular tactic in Europe in recent years with radicals, an area with extreme gun control. What I'm saying is regardless the method for destruction these evil madmen choose to utilize, the method/tool is not the problem, it lies with the individual. Unfortunately you can't account for all of them, no matter how hard LE, the military, Feds, etc try. Some get through.

 

Be aware of what's going on around you, have plans to evacuate, etc. This type of preparedness doesn't even have to be for this type of attack, it'll help in all sorts of situations.

 

Situational awareness at all times.

 

Find the most tactical seating position, no matter where & know your escape routes. Personally, I carry concealed legally (i don’t talk about that much). Even at sunday mass, my family is purposely sat in a tactical spot and I carry two weapons. Better safe and ready and pray that nothing crazy ever shows it’s face. It doesn’t hurt to carry med supplies, case of water, blankets & bug out bags in your vehicles either. If you’re looking for zombies, you’re looking stupid. If you have a genuine reactionary plan and proactive measures, you might be doing alright. Simply touching up on on modern 1st aid & CPR are a must.

 

As far as the original post & inquiry on gun laws... If you take the rights of citizens away & put the safety, well being & “common good” responsibilitues in the hands of the gov’t, you sacrifice freedom & all other rights rot. It’s obvious, that even with strict gun laws or complete removal of guns from a society, that bad ppl will do bad ****. Period. The theater shooting & such were mentioned to bring up the topic. The mass casualties caused by vehicles & knives in Europe are too often overlooked. I will apply my rights with legal measures to defend myself & neighbor. Stricter gun laws? That’s simply a stepping stone toward disarming a society & logic prevails. There’s a deeper problem at root & disarming citizens does not even come close to reaching utopia. We lack wisdom & our society is too wuick to apply bandaids to symptoms & neglecting the real disease.