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Interesting. Osita is jacked. Kendall played a running QB. There must be some nagging injuries - 7 or 8 backs is a ton.

A survey of more than 1,500 American colleges and universities — including every four-year public institution, every private college that competes in NCAA sports and others that identified cases — has revealed at least 26,000 cases and 64 deaths since the pandemic began.

It was clear ND had too many recievers and getting down to 85 would involve 1 or 2. The medical allow him to stay with team and train.

Here you go. FWIW I know 2 people who have died from Covid including a 23 year old college athlete. Kids do get sick and die. __________________ https://ndsmcobserver.com/2020/08/observer-editorial-dont-make-us-write-obituaries/ Observer Editorial Board | Friday, August 21, 2020 When we learned the institutions within the tri-campus community intended to have students return for the fall semester, we experienced a variety of emotions — excitement to reunite with our friends, relief to return to the classroom following the difficulties of remote instruction and reluctance to acknowledge that the in-person semester we were promised could be taken away at a moment’s notice. Two weeks into the semester, our worries are close to reality. The University administration has largely blamed the COVID-19 outbreak on students attending off-campus parties. While this isn’t entirely misplaced, it has been used to deflect responsibility from the very administrations that insisted they were prepared for us to return to campus. Clearly, they were not. Flaws in testing, contact tracing and isolation and quarantine accommodations have since proven inefficient. At Notre Dame, the almost two-week gap between the return to campus and the implementation of surveillance testing, scheduled to begin today, represents a gross oversight on the part of the administration and has put the health and safety of the tri-campus and South Bend communities in serious danger. Experts warned this was likely, but University President Fr. John Jenkins insisted it was worth the risk. Presidents Katie Conboy and Fr. David Tyson seemed to agree. Since our return, a dashboard has provided the Notre Dame community with updates regarding the coronavirus on campus, but it leaves much to be desired in comparison to other institutions’ initiatives, such as that of the University of North Carolina. As the events on campus have drawn national scrutiny, information regarding hospitalizations, recoveries and available quarantine and isolation space should be made public as well as a breakdown in the demographics of students testing positive. The community’s understanding of the seriousness of the situation depends on it. Saint Mary’s and Holy Cross have provided even less information than Notre Dame. While we would like to know more about cases and testing on campus, we also call upon both Colleges to provide the same information we are asking the University to release. The lack of transparency from our administrations only compounds the worry and anxiety felt by students, faculty and staff alike. If we’ve learned anything in the past months, it’s to take nothing for granted. The expectation that everyday life will continue as it always has can no longer exist. As redundant as it sounds, the next two weeks will shape the trajectory for the rest of the semester and perhaps the ones to follow. The blame for this does not lie with just one party. We — as students, faculty, staff and administrators — need to share responsibility for the outbreak on our hands. We longed to return to South Bend while in quarantine last semester. Now, we are at risk of hurting the community we’ve come to know and love. We implore members of the tri-campus community to do everything within their power to approach this virus in an appropriate and serious manner. Otherwise, we fear the worst is yet to come. Don’t make us write a tri-campus employee’s obituary. Don’t make us write an administrator’s obituary. Don’t make us write a custodian’s obituary. Don’t make us write a dining hall worker’s obituary. Don’t make us write a professor’s obituary. Don’t make us write a classmate’s obituary. Don’t make us write a friend’s obituary. Don’t make us write a roommate’s obituary. Don’t make us write yours.

University is trying to rationalize people are being treated equally using some voodo reasoning and it doesn't add up. The players need to stand up and state their classmates/roommates should get the same testing as the leadership is failing - Browne.

Lawsuits will be coming...cannot treat men different than women...ADA...Paul Browne dug a bigger hole.. https://wsbt.com/news/operation-education/notre-dame-students-concerned-frequent-virus-testing-of-football-program-is-inequitable The University of Notre Dame had a significant update today regarding coronavirus testing of the football program. Notre Dame says five student-athletes have tested positive and an additional six football student athletes have been placed in quarantine because of contact tracing. We talked to some students who feel student testing isn't on a level playing field, especially when it comes to the football team. A Notre Dame official told WSBT 22 there are approximately 12,000 students on campus. Since August 3, the University has administered 1,780 tests. Of that number, 392 were for the football program. That means 22% of all tests since August 3 have been connected to football. “Okay, we just got to make it through this football season, got to keep the football players healthy, and then from there we’ll figure things out," said a Notre Dame graduate student. A graduate student says the university's decision to test the football team for coronavirus multiple times in the past month is unfair, especially when she says many students, including herself, can't get tests. We asked Notre Dame Vice President Paul Browne last Friday if he thought university testing is equitable. “Well, okay, there’s a couple of other elements that are absent from that analysis," said Browne. He says there's a key difference between testing for students and for the entire football team. “It includes coaches and staff, who are mandated to be tested. So it’s different.” He says the university tests all students who come forward with three specific symptoms: fever, loss of taste or smell, and shortness of breath. Using Notre Dame Football's testing data released today, and comparing it to the Notre Dame COVID Dashboard numbers released today, a fifth of all Notre Dame's testing since August 3 has been administered to members of the football program. “We felt we should have a regimen that tested them whether or not they were showing symptoms," said Browne. But that's the grad student's point -- as Browne says, it's the university that has mandated testing for the football program. “So why can’t you make the students mandated for tests? Like, that would be my counterpoint," said the graduate student. Looking at the ACC's July 29 report, “In the sport of football, all members of the football team... shall be tested each week beginning with the week of the first competition against an opposing team.” For Notre Dame, the ACC's testing mandate doesn't take effect until September. So the decision to test the football program frequently is the university's as of right now, not an ACC requirement. “It’s on the university’s priorities, and who they’re deciding to safeguard, and who they see as bringing value to the university," said junior Duncan Donahue. Duncan Donahue says because of the way the university tests the football program, the message to him is clear. “The administration cares a lot more about the functioning and health of the football team than it does the health and safety of its most vulnerable students.” Notre Dame disagrees with statements like that. Brown told us that the notion that they are callously turning people away from testing and not cognizant of their actual exposure is not the case. To provide some additional perspective, approximately 1% of the Notre Dame student population is football players. To date, the football program has accounted for about 20% of the testing. Monday at 6 p.m., we'll hear for the first time from faculty criticizing the university's approach -- both when students first returned, and of the change to two weeks of online classes.

What is happening at ND will be studied for years to come. Confirmation bias and what lead to overconfidence and inability to handle when faced with the obvious. Regarding the pre-existing conditions - the only one that seems to matter is support of Trump and those continuing to go down with the ship and not jump off like the other rats. This problem could be handled by sophomore in high school doing simple statitistics.

https://wsbt.com/news/local/scathing-op-ed-calls-for-notre-dame-to-send-students-home "They just don't have the infrastructure to keep the outbreak at bay,” said Stephanie McKay, the Notre Dame alumna who wrote the op-ed. McKay, who has an MA in public health, argues that the university's ability to test is insufficient and set up only to catch symptomatic cases. "If you're not capturing those undetected cases, you're going to have an outbreak on your hands very, very quickly,” she said. She says that the university would have to greatly increase testing for students to stay on-campus, writing that Notre Dame is using students as scapegoats for a systemic problem. "The truth is, students were set up to fail, and the University has individualized and privatized what is fundamentally a public, systemic problem," she wrote in her op-ed." "It's the university's responsibility to keep students safe, with the understanding that people are going to behave like people," McKay told us. But Indiana's top doctor pointed directly to students as the cause of the outbreak. "If they want to have in-person instruction beyond campus and get their education, then there may have to be some changes in the social life,” said Dr. Kristina Box, Indiana state health commissioner. Despite the criticism being lobbed at the university, Indiana Governor Eric Holcomb commended them for their actions. "Kudos to Notre Dame and the leadership there for being able to not just be nimble, but very thoughtful and thorough about how this process unfolds,” he said. McKay says she hopes the op-ed will serve as a warning that things could get a lot worse. “I loved my time there so much, and any criticism I have comes from a place of love and comes also from a place of deep fear that people are going to get very sick.” Dr. Box did say it's very possible that college campuses across the state could experience outbreaks like at Notre Dame. She said she agrees with the university's decision to move classes online temporarily rather than send students home. But McKay says she believes there's no coming back from this.

75 more students today including 5 football players. Players haven't been being tested every day. Either a bunch will be quaritined or the whole team will need to be and retested in 3 or 4 days. If football players represent the campus that would mean 600 kids sick plus about 100 staff at this point. Leadership is probably thinking what the hell did we get in to. Hurd immunitiy here we come. As ND is contact tracing and getting results quick hospitalizations and maybe worse are down the road unfortunately.

Covid at Notre Dame https://wsbt.com/news/operation-education/notre-dame-student-describes-university-quarantine-experience-as-scary-stressful As we reported last night, Notre Dame students will spend the next two weeks completing their course work online. If a student tests positive for coronavirus at Notre Dame, we're learning more about what happens to them. Our Operation Education investigator Tolly Taylor got the exclusive inside look at one student's experience. The student has had a tough time getting answers from the university. She uses words like 'scary' and 'stressful' to describe her experience. When she woke up Saturday morning with a fever over 101 degrees, she immediately tried to get tested on campus. That's when the problems started. “When you get a red pass, they give you a phone number, and so I called them—no one answered, even though they were open. I called a bunch of times and I left a few voicemails with my name and information because I was honestly just like, 'I don’t know what to do,'" said the student. A Notre Dame faculty member just sent us a petition that asks for two things -- for students to return home and continue classes online if they want to, and for the university to improve safety measures for those students who stay. The petition was created less 24 hours ago and has 526 signatures so far, with a mix of faculty, student, staff and alumni signatures. You can find the petition here. From a complicated testing process, to having to get her parents involved to get her food, to uncertainty about how long she'll be kept in quarantine -- the student says she's still searching for answers. “It’s kind of scary being here alone without any information." When this Notre Dame student woke up Saturday morning with a fever of 101.7, she says her first thought was to use on-campus testing to find out if she has coronavirus. By the time we spoke to her in quarantine on Sunday evening, she had more questions than answers. “My number one thing is, they did not tell me how long I’m going to be here for," she said. She says she filled out Notre Dame's daily wellness check when she woke up Saturday, and received a red pass. That means you get a direct phone number for the campus COVID hotline, and she started calling right away. After more than two hours of calling, she got through to a nurse at 1:18 p.m. on Saturday afternoon. “'Someone’s going to call you later today.' And I was like 'okay, perfect.' No one called me.” She says she woke up Sunday and still had a fever, so she started calling again, but no one picked up. So she made an appointment at a Rite Aid in Niles. She kept calling Notre Dame, and eventually got through. “And she was like, 'oh, actually we don’t do rapid testing. Our turnaround time is like two to five days.'” That information isn't in line with what Notre Dame Vice President Paul Browne told us on Friday. “The test results tend to be turned around quickly, within a day or two," said Browne. The student says after speaking with the Notre Dame nurse, she planned to get tested in Niles -- but a Notre Dame doctor called her a few minutes later -- and told her she could get a rapid test at 12:30 on Sunday. "I was just shocked, because the lady earlier had told me that they couldn’t do that.” She says the doctor told her, based on her symptoms, she should expect to test positive and be quarantined. "So my roommate just suggested-- pack a bag in case.” She packed school books and one change of clothes and went to the Notre Dame on-campus testing site where she tested positive. "There was a room that they had and there was a bunch of chairs, and it was already filled with people. It was everyone who tested positive.” She sat there for about an hour, when someone gave her an envelope with a key and apartment number. They also gave her a clear plastic bag. "It was two bottles of water, some salt packets, and Tylenol and tissues.” She says the bag also contained pamphlets, instructing students about resiliency through tough times, spiritual wellbeing, emotional wellbeing -- and for some reason, a parking pass. She was then taken with two other students who tested positive in a van. The driver wore protective gear, and drove them to the Foundry Lofts and Apartments for quarantine. “I figured out which apartment was mine, I came in, there was nothing here, there’s no food.” Her first call, she says, was to her parents. "My dad actually called the university and was like, 'excuse me, there’s no food here. What’s going on?'” She says she arrived in the apartment at 2:30 p.m., and even after her father called the university, it took until 8:20 p.m. for her food to be delivered. That delay in response and the lack of communication from the university has her frustrated. “I just feel like the university is not doing a great job of being transparent with us.” We reached out to Browne again on Monday, Tuesday and today after my Sunday interview with this student.

No football today. With 73 more cases today I think football will be canceled for rest of the week, kids sent home, football players tested and retested. Having games every week makes no sense. https://fightingirishwire.usatoday.com/2020/08/19/breaking-notre-dame-suspends-football-practice-today/

80 cases in one day. Good ole college try. Classes online for ND. Hope everyone iis safe including all the old priests walking around. This is pretty bad. 2 weeks expecting things to change is a waste of time. Plan for success. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/8-days-semester-notre-dame-halts-person-classes-146-students-n1237195 Woops. Missed the above.

ND can expel a girl/guy for falling asleep in the opposites room including off campus and Paul J. Browne, vice president for public affairs at Notre Dame, said the university is prepared to suspend or otherwise discipline the hosts of such parties.

ND Student Perspective: https://wsbt.com/news/operation-education/notre-dame-students-share-coronavirus-testing-struggles Duncan Donahue is a junior. Throughout the summer, he says he wasn't very concerned about returning to in-person classes. That's because, he says, he had faith that university leaders would put together comprehensive testing and sanitation plans to keep students safe. Though he says he hasn't had symptoms or tested positive himself, his friends' experiences and everything he's learned since arriving back August 3 have drastically changed his perspective. Tolly Taylor: “Are you ready to say as a student that it should go fully remote at this point, or do you need to see more?” Duncan Donahue: “It should be remote at this point. I think we’ve had a week of exponential growth in terms of cases on campus, and with the lack of testing, I don’t personally have faith that the university has it under control.”

ELDER06's comment makes statistically no difference - not that his comments ever made a difference anyway. Irishwavend's comment - here are the numbers. * At ND, 74 percent of the students live in college-owned, -operated or -affiliated housing and 21 percent of students live off campus (Not sure where the other 5% live) * At UNC, 51 percent of the students live in college-owned, -operated or -affiliated housing and 49 percent of students live off campus. The numbers are different and can make a difference either way - good or bad. Both populations have roughly the same qualification requirements with ND a slight bit more selective - the kids will behave the same way regarding discipline. End of the day partying is the biggest cuplrit along with following basic protocols and simple math. A lot of partying goes on in dorms. Dorms are tight quarters. School classrooms can be packed including lecture halls. Tight stair wells. Shared bathrooms. Shared cafeteria. Can run the numbers and estimate how many will be hospitalized and possibly die based on demographics of the student body and staff. At current rate 1000 people at ND will be infected before end of semester with X number hospitalized, X number with lingering issues, and X number dead. College kids are not immune with hospitalizaton rates 1/3 of 40-49 year olds. A lot of old prists walking around too.