2016 - Obama's America

[moostache 0]

Politics is always an emotional discussion and in internet forums that is particularly unproductive due to the total inability to convey subtly in writing - concepts like sarcasm and wit become lost as the reader assigns their own intentions, inflections and bias to ANYTHING written or read online...in that spirit of disclosure I will now rant on....

 

PRESIDENT Obama (I am so sick of the thinly veiled racism that exists in the continual discourtesy of denying the respect due to the office of the presidency to President Obama by continuously dropping the title and referring only to the officeholder by his surname) is NOT any of the following:

 

1) A Muslim

2) A Foreigner

3) Anti-American

4) Intentionally crashing the economy or ballooning the debt

5) An Apologist

6) A Socialist

7) A Communist

A Fascist

9) The Anti-Christ

 

People who buy into these obvious and ham-handed caricatures instantly label themselves as non-serious and agenda driven. There is no "Facts" involved in nearly anything that's getting you all ginned up about President Obama's policies or proposals - only irrational fear, preyed upon and stoked by those who seek power for power's sake and will gladly use your true desire to see something positive as a means to an end and their ends are NOT in harmony with the common good.

 

Why does the current debt exist? When 2000 gave way to the administration of George W. Bush, the United States Treasury of sound and running an annual budget surplus that COULD AND SHOULD have been used to pay down the existing debt at THAT TIME - the debt that was NOT the result of the demonic Democratic agenda but in fact bequeathed to us from Saint Ronald of Reagan and his defense budgets of the 1980's. At that time, with an opportunity to be a TRUE FISCAL CONSERVATIVE and pay down the debt using the then budget surplus, President Bush and his advisers saw an opportunity to enrich their donors (or as President Bush referred to the super rich as his "base").

 

Instead of responsibly caring about the debt at a time when we had the fiscal ammunition to actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, the Republican Party and its standard bearers in the Bush Administration decided that the best thing to do was to cut taxes disproportionally for the segments of the population that needed the most assistance to benefit those who did not. For all the bluster and pomp that the religious right likes to display, they are curiously mute on the teachings of our Lord's most famous orations regarding the poor and amassing earthly fortunes in lieu of aiding those who have little or none. Jesus did not come to teach us that the only good in the world is found in Swiss bank accounts or dispensed from dummy corporations in the Caymans.

 

So, now, when a Democratic administration led by President Obama has inherited the burning embers of the economy that was wrecked by unfunded wars and prescription drug benefits and starved of revenue by tax cuts that have produced the lowest income tax rates in generations and the greatest disparity in the nation since the Gilded Age, now they have once again found religion on the evils of debt.

 

When Republicans had their chance, they held an auction on the country's future and handed out the biggest benefits to those who paid the most into the campaign coffers and foundations that they liked. The debt was NEVER an issue and representatives no less than then Vice President Cheney went on record as saying and I do quote: "Deficits don't matter."

 

Now, that they are no longer the party in power and not considered responsible for stewardship of the nation in their own eyes - only seeking a scape goat and future power grabs - the Party of Lincoln is awash in concern about the "exploding debt" and "financial cliff" and everything else that is trumped up and sold as "facts" by slick admen and propagandists of every ilk.

 

That is a child's understanding and outlook. That is the expectation of the general population, but not what I expect here among intelligent, educated people.

 

Donald Trump is a blow hard, self-promoting clown. He is NOT a serious man, he is W.C. Fields for the 21st century. He is famous and apparently that gives him currency in the dysfunctional country of ours. That is ridiculous.

 

Dinnesh D'Souza is a self-serving clown as well. He is attached to such ridiculous arguments as creationism and biblical literacy, often in direct opposition to positions of the Church and yet he is cited and quoted and held up as an authority? That is apostasy.

 

I could go on and on and on about this, but here's the rub...no one that subscribes to these crack-pot theories and un-serious people like D"Souza, Trump, and even Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney, REALLY wants a debate or an educated discussion on it...they want to shout slogans and talking points and scream down those who would better educated all sides to reach consensus. You are wrong about President Obama and your sources for information are compromised and illegitimate. If you cared about truth and reality, you would break the bondage of the propaganda being fed to you and see this....but that is EXACTLY what you are going to be thinking about me as you read this!

 

Here's the rub...republicans and conservatives LOVE to scream about the "liberal bias" of the media, but most of the time its not an agenda that is biased against their positions, its just the facts and truth have an inherent bias against those who would manipulate it for personal and tribal gains. You won't believe me and I don't expect you to either...but that does not make me stand on any agenda, just on the truth and facts that you have willingly blinded yourself against.

 

But good luck with that...

[nd1baby 0]

---- "administration of George W. Bush,"

 

President Bush, right?

[stdntDrvr 12]

... "Saint Ronald of Reagan"

 

PRESIDENT Reagan, right?

 

and how is disliking someone based on their ideals and policies racist? I could care less what color the man's skin is...it's what's between his ears and in his heart that counts.

[Scotty88 0]

 

and how is disliking someone based on their ideals and policies racist? I could care less what color the man's skin is...it's what's between his ears and in his heart that counts.

 

glad to hear you are different than these people

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/08/29/rnc_attendees_heckle_black_cnn_camerawoman_toss_peanuts_at_her_report_.html

 

 

 

Great post moostache, well put.

 

brirish, you win:)....enjoy the game as well

[stdntDrvr 12]

...eh, you've got them on both sides.

[NDFan4Life 0]

Liberals in action:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/08/29/yahoo-editor-fired-over-anti-romney-joke/

 

http://twitchy.com/2012/08/29/sick-wikipedia-entry-calls-mia-love-dirty-worthless-whore-and-house-nigger/

 

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/08/28/pathetic_msnbc_cuts_speeches_given_by_minorities_at_rnc_from_coverage

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195288/Samuel-L-Jackson-Actor-causes-storm-says-Unfair-Hurricane-Isaac-avoided-GOP-Convention.html

[EddieAngel 508]

Obama is a progressive (Not a good thing). Obama is a liar. Since I am not one to level such an accusation based on hearsay let me give you a direct example. In 2008 when Obama was debating McCain at Saddleback Church (the church I attend) he was asked directly about his stance on marriage. He said, marriage is between one man and one woman. Obviously, he has since reversed his position on that.

 

Obama is also against traditional family values. So that we can define that clearly let me say that as a conservative Christian, traditional family values means pro-life, traditional marriage, traditional religion. He does not have to be religious, though I bristle at him saying that he is a Christian, but he does have to support traditional freedom of religion (I know, how dare I ask an elected official to support the founding principals of this country).

 

He may or may not be any of the things he is accused of, I think it is folly to attack his character. However, the documentary is true information and it is ridiculous to turn a blind eye because of... why again? Refusing to watch true information about our current, and possibly future, president is absolutely asinine. You want to blindly elect the next leader of the free world without knowing all the facts?

 

That is not loyalty, that is not equality, that is ignorance. And as far as the documentary filmmaker's agenda, he is a conservative traditionalist. His agenda is to ensure a future for his family based on the values that this country was founded on. I have listened to him on the Frank Pastore show (A local Christian talkshow), and I can assure you that he does in fact have an agenda. It just so happens that in this case, he has laid out the facts (And they are well researched and documented facts) and hoped that when armed with accurate information, Americans will make the best choice.

 

Thanks for bringing this up OK, I am always surprised to hear Irish fans speak out in support of Obama. I suppose that you don't have to support what ND stands for in order to enjoy their football program.

[moostache 0]

... "Saint Ronald of Reagan"

 

PRESIDENT Reagan, right?

 

and how is disliking someone based on their ideals and policies racist? I could care less what color the man's skin is...it's what's between his ears and in his heart that counts.

 

Touche...I am guilty as well in those quoted cases - though the jab at Reagan was different than stating a factual (and respectful) Administration of George W. Bush when referring to the whole and not the individual President Bush - and make no defense other than to say that what I just did pales by comparison to the outright hostility and disrespect show to our current President by members of the opposition party and its adherents, in public, on the air, in print and god knows what they say in private.

 

You as an individual are not the target of what I was saying - clearly I do not know you on a personal level to make such claims and wouldn't direct them at someone in a forum without cause. You are welcome to wear whatever blinders you want as regards the racism thrown out in the open towards President Obama, but that only calls in question your ability to honestly assess and recognize truth from fiction in my eyes.

 

Its one thing to say that you personally do not have racist feelings towards the President, but to insist that the Republican Party in general and many specific members of Congress, Senators and large donors likewise do not is fallacy.

[nico7980 0]

Obama is a progressive (Not a good thing). Obama is a liar. Since I am not one to level such an accusation based on hearsay let me give you a direct example. In 2008 when Obama was debating McCain at Saddleback Church (the church I attend) he was asked directly about his stance on marriage. He said, marriage is between one man and one woman. Obviously, he has since reversed his position on that.

 

Wow.. Liar.. I've never seen a President attacked like this guy has been.. From the disrespect of being called a liar during a speech. To the racist emails and pics that have been circulated by Tea Party folks and Republicans.. Most if not all politicians lie..

 

Romney doesn't lie does he..

 

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Edited August 29, 2012 by nico7980

[EddieAngel 508]

Obama is a progressive (Not a good thing). Obama is a liar. Since I am not one to level such an accusation based on hearsay let me give you a direct example. In 2008 when Obama was debating McCain at Saddleback Church (the church I attend) he was asked directly about his stance on marriage. He said, marriage is between one man and one woman. Obviously, he has since reversed his position on that.

 

Wow.. Liar.. I've never seen a President attacked like this guy has been.. From the disrespect of being called a liar during a speech. To the racist emails and pics that have been circulated by Tea Party folks and Republicans.. Most if not all politicians lie..

 

Romney doesn't lie does he..

 

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I wasn't comparing one to the other or endorsing a candidate. I was seconding what OK said in saying that people should collect as much information as possible and make an informed decision when they vote. Ignoring this documentary is foolish. Truth be told, I am not super excited to vote for Romney, but I feel that he is more likely to support the values of my family than Obama is. And every president is attacked just like this guy is, it just so happens that there is a lot more to attack about Obama.

 

*shrug*

[moostache 0]

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A counter point to the facts of Dinesh D'Souza's film and book. Calling something objective fact does not in and of itself end the debate. Like anything else, your personal viewpoints may color the debate, but I have a hard time assigning truth to the claims of people who knowingly and willingly torture accuracy and fact to arrive at their own version of truth.

 

And some more information on D'Souza's hit piece:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08/27/fear-and-loathing-in-2016-obamas-america/189581

 

If you want to waste your time watching this paranoid tripe and live in a fearful world of enemies encroaching on your small piece of the world, be my guest. But if you are truly concerned for the future of the country and the world, get off the sidelines, turn off Fox News and its like-minded indoctrination machines and start finding solutions to these intractable issues - and to do that wi8ll involve the one thing that is so notably absent from today's politics - COMPROMISE!

 

I don't like the TEA Party because it is steeped in dishonesty and false premises. I fear their influence on our politics not because of their viewpoints, positions or beliefs but because of their methods and lack of understanding that different opinions exist and do not make their adherents any less American than anyone else.

Edited August 30, 2012 by moostache

[nico7980 0]

 

I wasn't comparing one to the other or endorsing a candidate. I was seconding what OK said in saying that people should collect as much information as possible and make an informed decision when they vote. Ignoring this documentary is foolish. Truth be told, I am not super excited to vote for Romney, but I feel that he is more likely to support the values of my family than Obama is. And every president is attacked just like this guy is, it just so happens that there is a lot more to attack about Obama.

 

*shrug*

 

Name another president that was hassled so much about his birthplace.. Just one.. Anyone will work.. Attack the policies then.. Those pics and emails had nothing to do with him as a president..

 

And I disproved your point.. That President Obama was a liar.. Using the same example that you gave.. But for Romney..

[nd1baby 0]

Mmmm. Well now I have to see it and make up my own mind.

[EddieAngel 508]

 

Name another president that was hassled so much about his birthplace.. Just one.. Anyone will work.. Attack the policies then.. Those pics and emails had nothing to do with him as a president..

 

And I disproved your point.. That President Obama was a liar.. Using the same example that you gave.. But for Romney..

 

You didn't disprove my point, Romney lies too. They are politicians and that is part of what they do. All other presidents are able to produce documentation about their birthplace without having to work hard for it. Obama was hassled because he was unable to do so. I never asked him for his documentation. I never sent pics or emails about him either.

Edited August 29, 2012 by EddieAngel
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[EddieAngel 508]

Like anything else, your personal viewpoints may color the debate, but I have a hard time assigning truth to the claims of people who knowingly and willingly torture accuracy and fact to arrive at their own version of truth.

 

I don't like the TEA Party because it is steeped in dishonesty and false premises. I fear their influence on our politics not because of their viewpoints, positions or beliefs but because of their methods and lack of understanding that different opinions exist and do not make their adherents any less American than anyone else.

 

Everyone sees the world as it pertains to their life, experiences, and values. I don't think this documentary is a representation of tortured fact or distorted truth, but it is certainly going to be one sided. That is critical thinking, though. When you have a point to prove you gather your supporting information and present it in a manner that people can understand and digest. It is great you were able to find and present a counterpoint. My point in this is that people need to get as much information as possible to make an informed decision.

 

I have my own reservations about the Tea Party as well. I think that all political parties have reservations about the values and methods of the others. Right now the Tea Party seems pretty radical, but so did our founding fathers. Time will tell.

[OklahomaIrish 0]

Everyone sees the world as it pertains to their life, experiences, and values. I don't think this documentary is a representation of tortured fact or distorted truth, but it is certainly going to be one sided. That is critical thinking, though. When you have a point to prove you gather your supporting information and present it in a manner that people can understand and digest. It is great you were able to find and present a counterpoint. My point in this is that people need to get as much information as possible to make an informed decision.

 

I have my own reservations about the Tea Party as well. I think that all political parties have reservations about the values and methods of the others. Right now the Tea Party seems pretty radical, but so did our founding fathers. Time will tell.

 

Cut government spending, balance the budget, cut taxes on those trying to run small businesses, eliminate regulations that are strangling business, build the pipeline..... yeah that's pretty radical. If you ask me that is survival. Can't people see that we are on the road to a financial meltdown. People, it will happen if Obama stays in power. It will happen quickly. It is intentional. We have unsustainable debt and he wants to run it up even higher. Would you run your household like this??? If he is re-elected then we will get what we deserve.

[Soko 128]

Good work bringing America back a couple of centuries guys. Thoughts?

 

 

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/08/hbc-90008805

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/two-removed-republican-convention-tossing-nuts-black-camerawoman-143318257.html

 

 

"This is how we feed animals". Seriously?

[mcdougal93 0]

Good work bringing America back a couple of centuries guys. Thoughts?

 

 

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/08/hbc-90008805

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/two-removed-republican-convention-tossing-nuts-black-camerawoman-143318257.html

 

 

"This is how we feed animals". Seriously?

 

The first one is a bunch of BS. Here's proof: http://washingtonexaminer.com/liberal-journalists-finding-i.e.-making-up-republican-racism-everywhere/article/2506319#.UD68I8FlR0r In other words typical media crap.

 

Your second link. The people were kicked out. Any comment from leftists about Joe Biden's remarks? [ame]

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Two idiots say something reprehensible at the RNC and they get kicked out. Biden says stupid stuff like this [ame]

[/ame] and he becomes the vice president. Also remember the last KKK member who was in the Senate? Robert Byrd? He and Teddy Kennedy are probably getting what they deserve in Hades.

 

Any thoughts on this link? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/29/mia-love-wikipedia-page-vandalized-with-slurs/

[OklahomaIrish 0]

Just think, Obama fully supports planned parenthood. Planned parenthood targets black children all over the south with their abortion clinics. Is this any worse then what Adolph Hitler did against the Jews?

 

Thanks McDougal. the truth is always more powerfull then lies. How many lies did Obama say when he was trying to get elected?? He must think we're stupid. I think the American people are waking up.

[Soko 128]

Just think, Obama fully supports planned parenthood. Planned parenthood targets black children all over the south with their abortion clinics. Is this any worse then what Adolph Hitler did against the Jews?

 

Thanks McDougal. the truth is always more powerfull then lies. How many lies did Obama say when he was trying to get elected?? He must think we're stupid. I think the American people are waking up.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but you are stupid if you think that politician are not lying to you everytime they open their mouths. They are not saviours, just gatekeepers and whoever is elected this year more than likely won't make much a difference to your life at all.

 

 

I'm just glad I don't live in America anymore because the system is fucked and people are too busy fighting with each other to anything about it.