2023 Notre Dame Recruiting Prospects

[jbrown_9999 1,006]

1 hour ago, NDhoosier said:

Because they put up 50 points a game and can really pad stats on offense. If I was a QB or WR, Oklahoma would look very good to me.

5* QBs also want to go to Clemson, Ohio St, and Alabama but not ND. It's too bad that ND has a 35 point a game offense while other CFP teams run 40 to 50 points a game offenses. 

When Kelly had a chance to go out and hire the best OC possible (in an exhaustive national search at that), he somehow ended up with Tommy Rees who architected a 33.4 points per game offense (down from 36.8 in 2019) . 

[golson5 176]

8 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said:

5* QBs also want to go to Clemson, Ohio St, and Alabama but not ND. It's too bad that ND has a 35 point a game offense while other CFP teams run 40 to 50 points a game offenses. 

When Kelly had a chance to go out and hire the best OC possible (in an exhaustive national search at that), he somehow ended up with Tommy Rees who architected a 33.4 points per game offense (down from 36.8 in 2019) . 

He lost by far his two best weapons from last year and didn't have spring practices.

 

20 played Alabama and Clemson twice.  19 didn't have any defenses like that.   The 20 offense was as good or better when you consider competition and circumstances.   Rees wasn't bad at all last year minus a few moments.

 

Our offense performed about what it should have with the talent and competition we played.  Our style was run first and ball control

Edited July 15, 2021 by golson5

[jbrown_9999 1,006]

1 hour ago, golson5 said:

He lost by far his two best weapons from last year and didn't have spring practices.

 

20 played Alabama and Clemson twice.  19 didn't have any defenses like that.   The 20 offense was as good or better when you consider competition and circumstances.   Rees wasn't bad at all last year minus a few moments.

 

Our offense performed about what it should have with the talent and competition we played.  Our style was run first and ball control

Do you think that the Kelly/Rees run first and ball control offense will win a NC? How about being able to simply score more than 14 points in a play-off game?

BTW, I thought that Kelly's best offensive weapon was Ian Book, the record setting QB? Surely he should not have missed a beat given that he had an all-NFL line in front of him. Shouldn't a top notch head coach with 30 years experience make sure that he can reload vs. rebuild at WR? I don't know, maybe play an underclassman or two and let them catch a pass?

 

 

[golson5 176]

7 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said:

Do you think that the Kelly/Rees run first and ball control offense will win a NC? How about being able to simply score more than 14 points in a play-off game?

BTW, I thought that Kelly's best offensive weapon was Ian Book, the record setting QB? Surely he should not have missed a beat given that he had an all-NFL line in front of him. Shouldn't a top notch head coach with 30 years experience make sure that he can reload vs. rebuild at WR? I don't know, maybe play an underclassman or two and let them catch a pass?

 

 

I was responding to you complaining about Rees.  You just brought Kelly into the mix.  2 different arguments. 

 

I was never an Ian Book fan so you save that talk for someone else.   

 

Rees was just fine as OC last year with his circumstance and we did go to the playoff with him as qb coach and now OC.

 

You were just off by throwing out the numbers the way you did.  It happens, we're all wrong sometimes

[irishwavend 565]

Book was a poor man's Jeff Garcia and couldn't read a defense to save his life...but he was better at it than Wimbush.

[4thand1 271]

I don't think Rees/Kelly prefer a ball control offense.  Would you have a pass first offense with the receivers they are going to send out there this season??? I wouldn't.  

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3 hours ago, irishwavend said:

Book was a poor man's Jeff Garcia and couldn't read a defense to save his life...but he was better at it than Wimbush.

Why is every qb lost in this system then?  Curious really. It’s like all our qbs are one read qb’s. I can’t think of one really good qb that had the offense really clicking. Maybe Golson for some games. But then he eventually became a deer in the head lights. Is the offense to hard?  Our guys to dumb? No talent at the skill positions?  I have a feeling Coan is going to struggle and Buchner will fair no better in his first year if he’s the next option. 

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13 hours ago, 4thand1 said:

I don't think Rees/Kelly prefer a ball control offense.  Would you have a pass first offense with the receivers they are going to send out there this season??? I wouldn't.  

I think Rees does more so than Kelly.  Kelly was all about the spread when came to ND.  One thing I do like about Rees is his balance with play calling between run/pass, especially for being a former qb. 

[jbrown_9999 1,006]

On 7/15/2021 at 7:42 AM, golson5 said:

I was responding to you complaining about Rees.  You just brought Kelly into the mix.  2 different arguments. 

 

I was never an Ian Book fan so you save that talk for someone else.   

 

Rees was just fine as OC last year with his circumstance and we did go to the playoff with him as qb coach and now OC.

 

You were just off by throwing out the numbers the way you did.  It happens, we're all wrong sometimes

This entire exchange started by me asking why 5* QBs do not seem to want to come to ND. In my opinion, it can easily be argued that the Rees offense appears to be one of the reasons.  And yes, referencing 33 points a game is valid since do 5* QBs really want to play for a ball control offense which cannot score more than 14 points in a play-off game? 

 

 

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On 7/14/2021 at 12:59 PM, jbrown_9999 said:

5* QBs also want to go to Clemson, Ohio St, and Alabama but not ND. It's too bad that ND has a 35 point a game offense while other CFP teams run 40 to 50 points a game offenses. 

When Kelly had a chance to go out and hire the best OC possible (in an exhaustive national search at that), he somehow ended up with Tommy Rees who architected a 33.4 points per game offense (down from 36.8 in 2019) . 

You realize that ND had 4 senior OL who all ended up getting drafted and no dynamic WRs last year, right? Yet, you wanted Rees to go air raid? You adjust the scheme to the players available - that's what good coaches do. Freeman said the same thing in a recent interview - get the best players on the field and adjust the scheme accordingly. The best players on offense last year were the 5 OL, Ian Book, Kyren Williams, and Michael Mayer. Due to injuries and other things (lack of recruiting included), ND did not have good enough WRs last year to stretch the field like some other CFP contenders. McKinley and Skowronek both ranked near the top for WRs in run blocking per PFF. Rees implemented the best offense he could given the hand that he was dealt. And he did enough to get ND to 10-0 and into the Playoff.

If you want to talk about whether that type of offense can win a title, that's a different conversation. If you want to talk about the lack of talent at WR, that's also a different conversation. In a recent interview, Rees said the offense this year will be drastically different than last year. Why? Because he will be breaking in a new OL, and will have better weapons on the outside in Lenzy and Austin (who were both injured throughout most of last season). Expect Kyren to be used as a pass catcher out of the backfield as he is one of the best in the country at that (per Dane Brugler from the Athletic, who ranked Kyren as the #3 draft-eligible RB in college), and also a healthy dose of Michael Mayer (who Rees said would be the primary or secondary target a bunch this season).

Good coaches adjust their scheme based on the players they have available. Rees did that last year. The ground-and-pound is not a sexy offense and there is a cap to how many points that offense can score. But Rees implemented that offense because that put the players available in the best position to succeed. ND made the Playoff as a result.

[jbrown_9999 1,006]

14 minutes ago, tneun89 said:

You realize that ND had 4 senior OL who all ended up getting drafted and no dynamic WRs last year, right? Yet, you wanted Rees to go air raid? You adjust the scheme to the players available - that's what good coaches do. Freeman said the same thing in a recent interview - get the best players on the field and adjust the scheme accordingly. The best players on offense last year were the 5 OL, Ian Book, Kyren Williams, and Michael Mayer. Due to injuries and other things (lack of recruiting included), ND did not have good enough WRs last year to stretch the field like some other CFP contenders. McKinley and Skowronek both ranked near the top for WRs in run blocking per PFF. Rees implemented the best offense he could given the hand that he was dealt. And he did enough to get ND to 10-0 and into the Playoff.

If you want to talk about whether that type of offense can win a title, that's a different conversation. If you want to talk about the lack of talent at WR, that's also a different conversation. In a recent interview, Rees said the offense this year will be drastically different than last year. Why? Because he will be breaking in a new OL, and will have better weapons on the outside in Lenzy and Austin (who were both injured throughout most of last season). Expect Kyren to be used as a pass catcher out of the backfield as he is one of the best in the country at that (per Dane Brugler from the Athletic, who ranked Kyren as the #3 draft-eligible RB in college), and also a healthy dose of Michael Mayer (who Rees said would be the primary or secondary target a bunch this season).

Good coaches adjust their scheme based on the players they have available. Rees did that last year. The ground-and-pound is not a sexy offense and there is a cap to how many points that offense can score. But Rees implemented that offense because that put the players available in the best position to succeed. ND made the Playoff as a result.

Again the context was attracting 5* QBs to ND. Did last year's offense move the needle towards recruiting a 5* QB?

[Big23Head 2,246]

I like this discussion but we should make it its own thread. ND definitely needs a top tier QB. 

[golson5 176]

9 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said:

This entire exchange started by me asking why 5* QBs do not seem to want to come to ND. In my opinion, it can easily be argued that the Rees offense appears to be one of the reasons.  And yes, referencing 33 points a game is valid since do 5* QBs really want to play for a ball control offense which cannot score more than 14 points in a play-off game? 

 

 

That 1 year Rees offense is the reason we dont attract 5 star qbs.  Smart analysis

[jbrown_9999 1,006]

3 hours ago, golson5 said:

That 1 year Rees offense is the reason we dont attract 5 star qbs.  Smart analysis

It is a reflection that Kelly could have chosen a OC who might have helped recruit higher ranked QBs. Instead, Kelly named Rees as OC who then did not do anything in his first year to change the narrative for attracting 5* QBs to ND.

Edited July 17, 2021 by jbrown_9999

[tneun89 978]

13 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said:

It is a reflection that Kelly could have chosen a OC who might have helped recruit higher ranked QBs. Instead, Kelly named Rees as OC who then did not do anything in his first year to change the narrative for attracting 5* QBs to ND.

Rees is entering his second season as OC. Give it some time.

He was also instrumental in landing Tyler Buchner last cycle, who was ranked #70 overall. He was a 247 Composite 5-star until a poor camp showing in the off-season and then lost his senior season in CA, so he never had a chance to earn it back. Reports from spring practice make it seem like he’ll be a hit.

I would agree as far as Angeli though. ND/Rees dropped the ball by waiting too long to offer Allar. He seems like the real deal and was one of the top QBs at Elite 11. Angeli is a fine prospect but he doesn’t move the needle.

ND needs to do better at QB. But Buchner has a ton of talent and upside. He could be that elite QB ND has been missing.

not sure what’s going on in 2023. But ND is one of the favorites to land 2024 CA QB Julian Sayin. Recent article on Rivals mentioned him as one of the top QBs in his class.

[golson5 176]

1 hour ago, jbrown_9999 said:

It is a reflection that Kelly could have chosen a OC who might have helped recruit higher ranked QBs. Instead, Kelly named Rees as OC who then did not do anything in his first year to change the narrative for attracting 5* QBs to ND.

Buchner was a top 75 recruit and has high upside. Higher than any qb we've landed in a long time imo.  But does he not count?

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10 hours ago, golson5 said:

Buchner was a top 75 recruit and has high upside. Higher than any qb we've landed in a long time imo.  But does he not count?

Yes and actually he was much higher …..in June 2020 he was the 28 best recruit at a .9841 rating. In my book that’s a 5 star QB. Like I have said before all I care about is how the coaches feel about the recruits not that some rating service dropping him from top 28 to top 70 best recruit. Come on.

[Fifth Horseman 0]

I thought this thread was about 2023 recruiting?

[jbrown_9999 1,006]

23 hours ago, golson5 said:

Buchner was a top 75 recruit and has high upside. Higher than any qb we've landed in a long time imo.  But does he not count?

Compare Buchner to the QBs that Alabama, Ohio St, Clemson, and Oklahoma have recruited. He is also the only ND QB recruit ranked in the Top 200 in the last 4 classes. Is he the exception or the rule?

[golson5 176]

46 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said:

Compare Buchner to the QBs that Alabama, Ohio St, Clemson, and Oklahoma have recruited. He is also the only ND QB recruit ranked in the Top 200 in the last 4 classes. Is he the exception or the rule?

So Rees landed the top qb recruit we've had in years as the OC.  Got it