Dead Oceans by 2048?

[Rocketsan 773]

Data doesn't reflect global warming but I personally have witnessed the chemtrails Rocket. It is acknowledged here in Oklahoma on the conservative talk radio shows. Why don't you research it and have an educated opinion.

 

Did you smoke a lot of chemtrails in the 60's?

 

And according to your American census, Oklahoma isn't necessarily a very good measure of education...

 

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[nd1baby 0]

One of the world's most eminent climate scientists - for several decades a warmist - has defected to the climate sceptic camp.

 

Lennart Bengtsson - a Swedish climatologist, meteorologist, former director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg and winner, in 2006, of the 51st IMO Prize of the World Meteorological Organization for his pioneering work in numerical weather prediction - is by some margin the most distinguished scientist to change sides.

 

For most of his career, he has been a prominent member of the warmist establishment, subscribing to all its articles of faith - up to and including the belief that Michael Mann's Hockey Stick was a scientifically plausible assessment of the relationship between CO2 emissions and global mean temperature.

 

But this week, he signalled his move to the enemy camp by agreeing to join the advisory council of Britain's Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), the think tank created by the arch-sceptical former Chancellor Lord Lawson.

 

Though Bengtsson is trying to play down the significance of his shift - "I have always been a sceptic and I think that is what most scientists really are" he recently told Germany's Spiegel Online, denying that he had ever been an "alarmist" - his move to the GWPF is a calculated snub to the climate alarmist establishment.

 

"He's a big, big player. The biggest by far to change sides," says the GWPF's Benny Peiser. "What's particularly significant is that his speciality is climate modelling - and computer models, as you know, are at the heart of global warming theory. He is the most significant figure to admit, as many modellers are beginning to notice, that there is an increasing discrepancy between what the models predicted and what the real world data is actually telling us."

 

In his interview with Spiegel Online, Bengtsson said:

 

"I have used most of my career to develop models for predicting the weather. I have learned the importance of forecasting validation, i.e. the verification of predictions with respect to what has really happened. So I am a friend of climate forecasts. But the review of model results is important in order to ensure their credibility. It is frustrating that climate science is not able to validate their simulations correctly. The warming of the Earth has been much weaker since the end of the 20th century compared to what climate models show."

 

Bengtsson went on to reject another pillar of the warmist faith - the existence of a "consensus."

 

I have great respect for the scientific work that goes into the IPCC reports. But I see no need for the endeavour of the IPCC to achieve a consensus. I think it is essential that there are areas of society where a consensus cannot be enforced. Especially in an area like the climate system, which is incompletely understood, a consensus is meaningless.

He believes that policymakers should be much more cautious in making decisions about the long-term future of climate when the facts are still imperfectly understood.

 

I do not think it makes sense to think for our generation that we will solve the problems of the future – for the simple reason that we do not know future problems. Let us do a thought experiment and go back to May 1914: Let us try from the perspective of that point in time to make an action plan for the next hundred years – it would be pointless!

Lennart's is just the latest in a series of defections from the climate alarmist camp to the cause of realism.

 

Others include:

 

James Lovelock; English scientist; inventor of Gaia Theory; godfather of Green.

Formerly an arch-exponent of man-made climate doom theory, predicting as recently as 2007, that "billions of us will die; few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in Arctic". Now admits: "The problem is we don't know what the climate is doing. We thought we did 20 years ago." Pro-nuclear; mildly pro-fracking; anti-wind farms.

 

Judith Curry - American climatologist and chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.

 

Though still a self-described "luke warmer", Curry was probably the most senior member of the warmist establishment - up until Bengtsson's defection - to fraternise with the enemy. This has earned her the badge of honour of being labelled "anti-science" by Michael Mann. In her blog Climate Etc she tries to encourage climate alarmists to show a sense of proportion and admit the limits of their knowledge. Of the National Climate Assessment report, she wrote:

 

My main conclusion from reading the report is this: the phrase ‘climate change’ is now officially meaningless. The report effectively implies that there is no climate change other than what is caused by humans, and that extreme weather events are equivalent to climate change.

 

Fritz Vahrenholt - German professor; environmental activist; one of the founders of the German green movement; former Environmental Senator of Hamburg.

 

Vahrenholt's climate-sceptical bestseller Die Kalte Sonne (translated as The Neglected Sun) sent shock waves through the German green movement. It earned him the title "eco-reactionary" from the left-liberal German media which was appalled at what they saw as his betrayal of the Cause. Vahrenholt argued that the sun - not CO2 - was the most significant driver of climate change; that predictions of man-made climate doom had been overdone; and that science had been corrupted by political indoctrination.

 

Sigmar Gabriel - German vice-chancellor; ex environment minister; formerly an enthusiast for green energy policy; now admits that Germany's Energiewende - its transition to renewables - has been pointless and destructive.

 

George Monbiot - humorist; Guardian scribe; environmental campaigner; scourge of climate sceptics; has since divided the green movement over his removal of the Atomkraft? Nein Danke sticker on the back of his florally-decorated VW Kombi and his decision that nuclear energy is, after all, the way forward. For this crime he is now being harried by green campaigners who are offering a £100 reward to anyone prepared to arrest him for his "crimes against the environment and humanity."

[VCDomer 68]

Did you smoke a lot of chemtrails in the 60's?

 

And according to your American census, Oklahoma isn't necessarily a very good measure of education...

 

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All I know is it has been hot this spring in Cali. There must be something wrong with the climate because the chemtrails are not working.

[Scotty88 0]

It is acknowledged here in Oklahoma on the conservative talk radio shows. Why don't you research it and have an educated opinion.

 

wondering why your local newspaper "blew you off and wouldn't return the call" then, lol!

 

I bet this conservative chemtrail propaganda and foolishness started right around 2008.

[nickman54 0]

wondering why your local newspaper "blew you off and wouldn't return the call" then, lol!

 

I bet this conservative chemtrail propaganda and foolishness started right around 2008.

 

There are plenty of liberals that are on board as well, One party cant own this.

[piratey 6]

There are plenty of liberals that are on board as well, One party cant own this.

 

I'm no chemtrail conspiracy guy...but I do know that people have been talking about them for at least 15 years... it's not tied to the fact we elected Barack Obama as president in 2008 as Scotty was alluding to...

[IrishGuy 178]

I bumped into this article in my daily bing crawl.....the comments might be the best part.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-time-in-800000-years-aprils-co2-levels-above-400-ppm/

[Scotty88 0]

There are plenty of liberals that are on board as well, One party cant own this.

 

going back to birther arguments, most conspiracies seem to come from the far right.

[piratey 6]

going back to birther arguments, most conspiracies seem to come from the far right.

 

Birthers are a whole other breed

 

But to be fair, 9/11 "truthers" are generally left wing. Area 51, JFK was killed by the gov't, moon landing was faked, all seem to be more on the side of the left.

[Scotty88 0]

Birthers are a whole other breed

 

But to be fair, 9/11 "truthers" are generally left wing. Area 51, JFK was killed by the gov't, moon landing was faked, all seem to be more on the side of the left.

 

lol, completely agree but "chemtrailists" are a breed within that breed it seems. Some pretty far out stuff.

[DREWGOOSE 1]

anybody else up for posting more dumb a$$ articles like ths one........:fish2:

 

how about this one

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/658167-yellowstone-volcano-eruption-new-round-of-conspiracy-theories-say-us-hiding-data-evacuating-towns/

[2lakes 1]

Here's what I know for sure: I fly into Chicago and there's a big brown bubble of crap over the city. We breathe that crap in. End of story.

[jfschellcrna 11]

how about this one

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/658167-yellowstone-volcano-eruption-new-round-of-conspiracy-theories-say-us-hiding-data-evacuating-towns/

epoch times???........ugh......

[Morgandonor 30]

We better up our beef game.

[SpeedsterX 652]

Here's an undeniable fact, the Earth will kill us before we can even get close to killing it. Enjoy the ride while we can.

[Morgandonor 30]

Here's an undeniable fact, the Earth will kill us before we can even get close to killing it. Enjoy the ride while we can.

 

Lol I was gonna say the exact same thing... The earth is damn near a perfect eco system that recycles it's self and when we have messed it up to bad it will wipe us out.

[SpeedsterX 652]

Lol I was gonna say the exact same thing... The earth is damn near a perfect eco system that recycles it's self and when we have messed it up to bad it will wipe us out.

 

Damn right! We'll hurt waaaay before the Earth will hurt. The Earth will clean itself and if we are in the way, it'll just push us aside. Don't worry about the Earth, worry about us.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

So many phony studies just to get our money.

 

So Chemtrails are bad but the chemicals you consume from corporate pollution is not?

 

Unless you're willing to cull the worlds population, there isn't much we can do And the fact of the matter is, local policies in America are a drop in the bucket. Not with China and Japan essentially owning the seas and seafood comsumption

 

 

Edit: http://news.yahoo.com/vietnam-chinese-ships-ram-vessels-near-oil-rig-134607409.html;_ylt=AwrBJR7GdmpT6SwAQMnQtDMD

 

That's what I'm talking about

 

Then abortion is necessary evil, and we should preach contraception.

 

Data doesn't reflect global warming but I personally have witnessed the chemtrails Rocket. It is acknowledged here in Oklahoma on the conservative talk radio shows. Why don't you research it and have an educated opinion.

 

There has been personal accounts of ice structures melting so? You should not really listen to conservative talk radio shows as legit news, especially in Oklahoma. It is possibly the equivalent to the Enquirer

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Here's what I know for sure: I fly into Chicago and there's a big brown bubble of crap over the city. We breathe that crap in. End of story.

 

Fact. And people sigh at my vaping my esmoke!

[Jim2Dokes 3]

Damn right! We'll hurt waaaay before the Earth will hurt. The Earth will clean itself and if we are in the way, it'll just push us aside. Don't worry about the Earth, worry about us.

 

These statements are legit. This happens to the earth all of the time (every 10000's 1000000s millions ect. of years), we may or may not be in the cycle of existence. We are only here for 74 on average.

[Irish_Convert 1]

But according to Irish_Convert it was mother earth shooting those harpoons and not humans.

 

I don't believe I mentioned that humans had zero impact on extinctions or the thinning of species. I merely stated that far more species have gone extinct without human intervention than have due to human intervention.

Scientists have estimated that over the course of Earth's history, anywhere between 1 and 4 billion species have existed on this planet. Be it through disease, genetic obsolescence, over-predation or any number of other factors, the overwhelming majority of these species are now extinct. Of these billions of species, roughly 50 million still survive into the modern era. While these numbers are certainly extreme at first glance, it serves as proof that extinction, while a sad occurrence, is a part of life for all living things.

http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/how-species-actually-gone-extinct

 

On the low end of that estimate, this means that around 5% of all species(1.3% on the high end) that have ever existed survive today. Go ahead and try to blame all of those(minimally) 950,000,000 extinctions on humans.

 

I also wouldn't be surprised if humans join that number some day. Far stronger species than we have fallen by the wayside over time and over the last 100 years, you could argue that we have grown weaker as a species overall because far too many of us rely on someone else growing or raising what is needed for our sustenance. Feral creatures are more likely to survive because they use the same instincts to survive that they did hundreds, thousands, in some cases millions of years ago. In developed countries, our instinct is to go to the grocery store or a restaurant. If the s*** hit the fan, what percentage of those people could manage to sustain themselves?