2023 Roster Math & Scholarship Chart

[D Fence 166]

So with Hartman committing, we are now ar 94. It sounds like we are looking to add 1-2 more.  So based on this thread, it sounds like we have to attrit 9 to potentially 11 guys by this August (2023)?

[1Redrum 85]

Justin Ademilola to the NFL Draft / not returning back to 93

[OKelleyIrish 1,198]

On the roster, still seems math still is a bit out of whack. 

24 signed, 5 new transfers. 

 

The 23 class looks like we'll be #10. Disappointing... given the start.

21 and 22 were better, and IMO both underrated (especially Alt21 and Morrison22)... 

24 rank is banked on Carr right now. Hope that sticks... 

[jbrown_9999 1,028]

Note that the top 10 classes in 2023 seem to have more talent than past years. Top classes have more of a concentration of four and five stars than past. Probably due to NIL and certain schools (ND included) really doubling down on building out their recruiting infrastructure.

 

[JeffV 332]

Just checking in here.  We at 94 currently?  

It's crazy to me however they're going to get to 85.

[jbrown_9999 1,028]

While this concept goes against what some believe that ND should stand for, I believe post Spring practice (and post Spring Semester), you are going to see Freeman have to sell (or tell) some (9?) players that their football careers are done at ND.

Either hit the transfer portal or stay at ND on scholarship (but not be part of the football team). There is an NCAA rule which lets a player at a school with a new coach (only first two seasons) continue to get a scholarship and not count vs the 85 limit but they have to quit the team. Sort of like the medical retirement without the "permanent" injury requirement.

For me, while harsh, this is part of what comes with NIL, etc. The affected players are also able to stay at ND and get their degrees for free. 

 

[JeffV 332]

Thanks.  Wow.  That's the reality I was dreading.  Seems horrible, but inevitable. The Covid rules created some extra chaos, for sure.

I didn't know about the 1st year exception, so that's a nice loophole, but I bet there aren't many on scholarship that don't harbor some sort of NFL dream.  You wouldn't see many scholarship guys walking away from football unless it's a medical retirement.

If every odd man out from every position battle transfers in the spring window, then we'll find 9.  Short of that, there are going to be some newsworthy surprises.  1 QB, 1/2 RBs, 1 WR, 1/2 OL, 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 CB.  Other position groups are pretty thin and guys can get in the rotation, so I wouldn't expect transfers from TE, S.  Spring tryouts, here we come!

[jbrown_9999 1,028]

49 minutes ago, JeffV said:

Thanks.  Wow.  That's the reality I was dreading.  Seems horrible, but inevitable. The Covid rules created some extra chaos, for sure.

I didn't know about the 1st year exception, so that's a nice loophole, but I bet there aren't many on scholarship that don't harbor some sort of NFL dream.  You wouldn't see many scholarship guys walking away from football unless it's a medical retirement.

If every odd man out from every position battle transfers in the spring window, then we'll find 9.  Short of that, there are going to be some newsworthy surprises.  1 QB, 1/2 RBs, 1 WR, 1/2 OL, 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 CB.  Other position groups are pretty thin and guys can get in the rotation, so I wouldn't expect transfers from TE, S.  Spring tryouts, here we come!

TBH, I have lost track of everyone who is playing ST for the Irish, but there might one or two kickers/punters on the list as well. I think there is only one LS on scholarship at this point. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by jbrown_9999

[ND_JACK 321]

2 hours ago, JeffV said:

Thanks.  Wow.  That's the reality I was dreading.  Seems horrible, but inevitable. The Covid rules created some extra chaos, for sure.

I didn't know about the 1st year exception, so that's a nice loophole, but I bet there aren't many on scholarship that don't harbor some sort of NFL dream.  You wouldn't see many scholarship guys walking away from football unless it's a medical retirement.

If every odd man out from every position battle transfers in the spring window, then we'll find 9.  Short of that, there are going to be some newsworthy surprises.  1 QB, 1/2 RBs, 1 WR, 1/2 OL, 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 CB.  Other position groups are pretty thin and guys can get in the rotation, so I wouldn't expect transfers from TE, S.  Spring tryouts, here we come!

Yes Spring will really shake the tree and some leaves will fall. I think especially positions that are impacted by the coaching change. It’s harsh , unfortunate for the players, but I agree with jbrown this is what college football has become. I hope they take advantage of that free education but living a dream for a young kid is hard to end.

[Synoptico 334]

Do covid years for Srs count against numbers ala Hartman?

Edited March 11, 2023 by Synoptico

[JeffV 332]

11 minutes ago, Synoptico said:

Do covid years for Srs count against numbers ala Hartman?

Yes that's what's gonna be chaos.  They have the eligibility exemption, but the scholarship limit has run out.  85 by fall for all teams.

Edited March 11, 2023 by JeffV

[NYGoldenDomer 2,046]

On 3/11/2023 at 2:13 PM, JeffV said:

Yes that's what's gonna be chaos.  They have the eligibility exemption, but the scholarship limit has run out.  85 by fall for all teams.

That makes no sense.  If the NCAA grants players with special exemptions then the players shouldn't count against the cap.  It will all naturally play itself out through attrition.

[USAFA03_HUGENDFAN 242]

Well this is a loss but helps with the numbers issues.  Bummer.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CptCkBPuOBe/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[Synoptico 334]

Wonder what the story is there

[mcgov12 1,237]

Yikes, just saw that.

 

[mcgov12 1,237]

Sounds like it was an admissions thing on the academics side where he couldn’t quite clear what he needed to clear. 

[FaithInIrish Forever 4,738]

Just now, Synoptico said:

Wonder what the story is there

could be anything really. feels academic but thats a guess

[NDhoosier 1,233]

It was academics related

Number crunch is going to happen here soon. Notre Dame is still a handful of players over the 85 cap.

[Baldy 1,268]

Position Battle for the 2023 Defense

https://www.facebook.com/100063790981889/posts/pfbid02xb7R8LFQ6Nj1EjsEkoEqQUYe8YoMyRt8F4xEVZLuaQWVmiD8NMVpMJq9GiccLcRwl/?mibextid=cr9u03

Edited March 22, 2023 by Baldy

[ND_JACK 321]

Riley and Walters no longer with program.

https://apple.news/APqB0Biw_R9CkyHAq0_Y8wA

https://apple.news/AiClfW7WYSdSFKsmx7flwww

Edited March 22, 2023 by ND_JACK