UK concert attack

[jessemoore97 1,287]

Ariana Grande concert bombed in the UK, lots of dead and casualties. Freaking senseless violence! Go LEO's and catch those responsible along with their extended network. Sadly I think it may get worse this year from what's being projected.

 

Prayers to all those affected and God be with the families who've lost loved ones.

[TheRizz 5]

19 dead

 

Now ISIS is going after kids. Shameful

[echo88 74]

19 dead

 

Now ISIS is going after kids. Shameful

 

They weren't before??

[ELDER06 248]

The left wants to condemn Trump for being racist, sexist, and xenophobic, but bend over backwards to protect Islam when it's the core tenants of their faith.

[TheRizz 5]

They weren't before??

 

I thought I they would be head anyone that didn't bow to the Koran. At any age.

 

However, I don't recall a terorist attack on kids before. Maybe I'm wrong

Edited May 24, 2017 by TheRizz

[jessemoore97 1,287]

I thought I they would be head Antone that didn't bow to the Koran. At any age. However, I don't recall a terorist attack on kids before. Maybe I'm wrong

 

I can't say what ISIL has or hasn't done with each attack world wide. I have little doubt kids have been killed by them. I just can't say they singled out a school off the top of my head and whole sale slaughtered children. Regardless they are some evil losers to quote the Prez.

[ELDER06 248]

I've got an apt analogy, all priests are child rapists, but would you let one babysit your 10 year old son? Probably not. Building off of that, the Catholic church lost an ungodly amount of members, yet Islam #s remain high. You know why? If you leave you, you can be killed. Any other religion on earth have that policy.

[EddieAngel 508]

I've got an apt analogy, all priests are child rapists, but would you let one babysit your 10 year old son? Probably not. Building off of that, the Catholic church lost an ungodly amount of members, yet Islam #s remain high. You know why? If you leave you, you can be killed. Any other religion on earth have that policy.

 

I am not sure that your analogy is really accurate. Many Catholics leave the church but a large volume of them become Protestant, Baptist, or what you might call a non-denominational Christians. While many of my Catholic friends here could talk about it in more detail, the long and short of it is that they keep the same core beliefs, but change their practice of them. Muslims don't leave Islam to follow a less structured form of Islam, they generally become agnostic or Christian, leaving them open to the charge of apostasy, which is painfully common for Christians in the middle east.

[Grace Flanner 0]

It is my understanding that leaving Islam is the worst possible thing a person can do in the eyes of the believers.

The next worst thing is being the wrong kind of Muslim. Being a Shia Muslim is probably worse than being Jewish in the eyes of ISIS (Sunnis all).

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/4-questions-ISIS-rebels-use-to-tell-Sunni-from-Shia/articleshow/37257563.cms

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/05/isis-iraq-shia-muslims-jihadis-atrocities

To the Sunni, Jews and Christians are at least "people of the book", people with religion who just don't understand, people who can and should be made to understand. A Shia, on the other hand, is almost as bad as a Sunni who no longer practices Islam. Beheading either way.

Edited May 25, 2017 by Grace Flanner

[Jersey Irish 205]

I've got an apt analogy, all priests are child rapists, but would you let one babysit your 10 year old son? Probably not. Building off of that, the Catholic church lost an ungodly amount of members, yet Islam #s remain high. You know why? If you leave you, you can be killed. Any other religion on earth have that policy.

 

Really? The problem was with less than 1% of all priests dating back mostly to the 50s and 60s. That's certainly not an apt analogy yo Islam. And yes, i'd trust a priest with my 10 year old

[Jim2Dokes 3]

We can talk about religion and blame a certain religion to try to explain this in a certain category. Truth is that these people are no different than Mexican cartels, streets gangs, and white nationalists. They may be a bit more organized and use religion as a means to explain their behavior but it is terror nonetheless in all aspects. I say let's focus on the victims of this horrid attack and stop glorfying the aggressors. The point is attention, ISIl came out 5 mins later and said we did this, cartels let you know what they did clear as day, and white nationalists do the same when they commit terror. They want you mad and to get mad at their specific group, that is what creates fear, which leads to anger and hate. ISIL wants you to hate all muslims, so that all muslims join their cause when you hate them.

Edited May 27, 2017 by Jim2Dokes

[jessemoore97 1,287]

We can talk about religion and blame a certain religion to try to explain this in a certain category. Truth is that these people are no different than Mexican cartels, streets gangs, and white nationalists. They may be a bit more organized and use religion as a means to explain their behavior but it is terror nonetheless in all aspects. I say let's focus on the victims of this horrid attack and stop glorfying the aggressors. The point is attention, ISIl came out 5 mins later and said we did this, cartels let you know what they did clear as day, and white nationalists do the same when they commit terror. They want you mad and to get mad at their specific group, that is what creates fear, which leads to anger and hate. ISIL wants you to hate all muslims, so that all muslims join their cause when you hate them.

 

I want justice. There needs to be anger and fear in the world when evil is allowed to go unchecked in the killing of innocents. The anger and fear of what the murderers will continue to do is what helps to drive that pursuit of justice.

 

It's problematic of the examples you listed, that from those groups cited the most directly affected are the communtiies those groups are apart of, with the exception of white nationals. Muslims, the Mexican people, and black or minority inner city communities are overwhelmingly the victims of this type of murderous violence. And from those communities needs to come the voice of anger and fear demanding accountability and justice for their dead.

 

But what do I know.

[ELDER06 248]

What I don't understand one bit is why the Left, excluding Bill Maher, gives Islam a pass.Islam is the most sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic religion on the planet. All these things Trump gets accessed of, sometimes fairly, are core tenants of Islam.

[ELDER06 248]

Really? The problem was with less than 1% of all priests dating back mostly to the 50s and 60s. That's certainly not an apt analogy yo Islam. And yes, i'd trust a priest with my 10 year old

 

It was way more than 1% and more recent than the 60s. And you know what? People were able to leave the Catholic Faith without having their head lopped off.

[ELDER06 248]

I want justice. There needs to be anger and fear in the world when evil is allowed to go unchecked in the killing of innocents. The anger and fear of what the murderers will continue to do is what helps to drive that pursuit of justice.

 

It's problematic of the examples you listed, that from those groups cited the most directly affected are the communtiies those groups are apart of, with the exception of white nationals. Muslims, the Mexican people, and black or minority inner city communities are overwhelmingly the victims of this type of murderous violence. And from those communities needs to come the voice of anger and fear demanding accountability and justice for their dead.

 

But what do I know.

 

Yet, it's the celebrities who live in giant gated compounds that want open borders. Easy to push for when you don't have to worry about a member of the La Raza showing up to live next door.

[echo88 74]

Yet, it's the celebrities who live in giant gated compounds that want open borders. Easy to push for when you don't have to worry about a member of the La Raza showing up to live next door.

 

Dont forget that their neighborhoods/quality of life/schools arent reliant upon tax dollars that are being wasted ensuring these people dont have to work. We aren't just letting them in. We are taking care of them when our own citizens are suffering and when our own country is falling apart.

[ELDER06 248]

Dont forget that their neighborhoods/quality of life/schools arent reliant upon tax dollars that are being wasted ensuring these people dont have to work. We aren't just letting them in. We are taking care of them when our own citizens are suffering and when our own country is falling apart.

 

I'm ok with amnesty for illegals who have families and actually work. My family knows a lot of Cincy PD, and some of the illegals they come across are the nicest, hardest work in people you will ever meet. I say kick out the spoiled dbag Millennials, the ones who think America sucks, and give the illegals their citizenship.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

What I don't understand one bit is why the Left, excluding Bill Maher, gives Islam a pass.Islam is the most sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic religion on the planet. All these things Trump gets accessed of, sometimes fairly, are core tenants of Islam.

 

No one on the left gives any of that a pass, the same way that people on the left do not give the hard right that believe in those same values a pass. The hard right believes exactly those the beliefs as the muslims you are categorizing. You are making generalizations first off based off a religion, which could easily be done against christians. However, if you look at Jesus, being a socialist and all, the hard right conservatives who claim to put their faith in are nothing but hypocrites. The people of the compassionate left however do believe in the understanding that it is not people's fault what they are raised in and the education they are granted as a potential barrier to their self. In summary, all people deserve a chance. There are plenty of assimilated muslims in this country following the laws, running businesses, **** Fortune 500 ceos. You may be surprised the similar beliefs of Islamic terrosits and hard right conservatives, go read the comments sections of any article on breitbart.

 

Just a note Elder, I do appreciate your insight on many other topics. I am bold with this statement but mean no personal offense. You and Kelly Greene I appreciate the debates, but respect you both.

 

Two people who were not Muslim died last night defending two Muslim females minding their own business in Portland last night against a right-wing extremist.

Edited May 28, 2017 by Jim2Dokes

[jessemoore97 1,287]

No one on the left gives any of that a pass, the same way that people on the left do not give the hard right that believe in those same values a pass. The hard right believes exactly those the beliefs as the muslims you are categorizing. You are making generalizations first off based off a religion, which could easily be done against christians. However, if you look at Jesus, being a socialist and all, the hard right conservatives who claim to put their faith in are nothing but hypocrites. The people of the compassionate left however do believe in the understanding that it is not people's fault what they are raised in and the education they are granted as a potential barrier to their self. In summary, all people deserve a chance. There are plenty of assimilated muslims in this country following the laws, running businesses, **** Fortune 500 ceos. You may be surprised the similar beliefs of Islamic terrosits and hard right conservatives, go read the comments sections of any article on breitbart.

 

Just a note Elder, I do appreciate your insight on many other topics. I am bold with this statement but mean no personal offense. You and Kelly Greene I appreciate the debates, but respect you both.

 

Two people who were not Muslim died last night defending two Muslim females minding their own business in Portland last night against a right-wing extremist.

 

The left doesn't give any of it a pass? Really? Your definitely right that the left is more than willing to call anyone a racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobe, more often without evidence but with a differing viewpoint if the person is white. I don't see it at all towards any minority community though. Blaming whitey in America is the easiest and safest thing in the world to do, without any of those isms getting thrown back at you from the protected victim hierarchy.

 

In what sense would you call Christ a socialist out of curiosity? What is your definition of socialism? And since we're talking Christ and all, how brave is it for the left to depict Christianity and its figurehead how ever it wants while offending millions. But talk about Islam and its founder or draw a cartoon, all the sudden that's insensitive, racist, blah blah and people shouldn't do it.

 

I'm tired of all the butt hurt people out there. Nothing should be sacred to poke fun of. Free speech all day as outlined by our 1st Amendment, which is the ONLY country on Earth that guarantees it.

 

Edit: Jim don't worry about answering the question of Jesus and socialism. I'm going to start another thread about that since I believe it would be a fun rabbit hole to go down.

Edited May 28, 2017 by jessemoore97

[ELDER06 248]

No one on the left gives any of that a pass, the same way that people on the left do not give the hard right that believe in those same values a pass. The hard right believes exactly those the beliefs as the muslims you are categorizing. You are making generalizations first off based off a religion, which could easily be done against christians. However, if you look at Jesus, being a socialist and all, the hard right conservatives who claim to put their faith in are nothing but hypocrites. The people of the compassionate left however do believe in the understanding that it is not people's fault what they are raised in and the education they are granted as a potential barrier to their self. In summary, all people deserve a chance. There are plenty of assimilated muslims in this country following the laws, running businesses, **** Fortune 500 ceos. You may be surprised the similar beliefs of Islamic terrosits and hard right conservatives, go read the comments sections of any article on breitbart.

 

Just a note Elder, I do appreciate your insight on many other topics. I am bold with this statement but mean no personal offense. You and Kelly Greene I appreciate the debates, but respect you both.

 

Two people who were not Muslim died last night defending two Muslim females minding their own business in Portland last night against a right-wing extremist.

 

I don't get offended. And yeah, there are Muslims who assimilate in America, but it's f'd up in Europe.