Police shootings - Alton Sterling

[davislove 0]

I can guarantee you, that Officer was NOT "aiming" for his arm.

 

It's clear they are taught to shoot to kill. Leabe only one side of the story.

[GunSlinger 28]

It's clear they are taught to shoot to kill. Leabe only one side of the story.

 

Its clear that you are absolutely clueless and have zero law enforcement training.

[SpeedsterX 652]

It's clear they are taught to shoot to kill. Leabe only one side of the story.

 

Its clear that you are absolutely clueless and have zero law enforcement training.

 

Well if he's not a Police Officer, obviously, he does not have law enforcement training and that's ok,,,, let's help the public understand things the way we are trained.

 

I'll take this one....

 

Shooting someone center mass is not a "kill shot" or "SHOOT TO KILL" ! Just ask all the gangbangers that get hit in the torso and live to go out and do more driveby's.

 

Anyhoo,,, Police are trained to shoot for CENTER MASS, NOT the arms, legs, head, crotch (well we are taught lower abdomen in case they are wearing body armor) but that is the ONLY other place other than center mass we are taught to shoot. If some Cop (other than a sniper) shoots a guys leg and stops him from running away (in a good shoot) then it was by accident. He was aiming center mass.

 

We are TRAINED to shoot center mass! It's that simple. Shoot center mass until the threat stops! Once the threat stops, STOP and render aid IF safe!

 

Now, I'll let you IN on some more legal shyt that you've might not known. I DO NOT have to wait until the suspect has the advantage! I don't have to wait until I SEE someone point the gun AT me, I don't have to wait for the suspect to shoot at me, I don't have to wait for the suspect to even pull the gun, knife, bazooka,,, OUT! If my life is being threatened by the suspect and I can prove that, then it's a good stop.

 

It's pretty simple really, I can go one level higher than the threat. It is my job to take control of the dangerous situation. If he wants to fight physically or with non-lethal weapons, I can use the Taser/pepper spray/baton,,,, if he uses LETHAL weapon (which includes knives, bats, car, wrench, he uses taser...etc.) we usually go up one level to lethal,,, GUN.

 

It all depends on the situation, it all happens in microseconds and we TRY to handle it with the best outcome for US and then the suspect.

 

There, that's your Police use of force lesson for tonight. Hope it helps!

 

"Shoot to kill" LOL ANY shot can kill,,,, When the day comes that I can not use the force necessary to take control of a situation will be the day that 99% of the police force will quit and society will be on their own. And please don't say, "I'll just handle it myself! I don't need the Cops!" Because I've heard that from gangbangers to Hell's Angels and we've been called BY THEM to HELP THEM almost daily!

Edited July 20, 2016 by SpeedsterX

[Pregame 291]

We have more police shootings and gun violence in general than any other 1st world country but apparently thats not a problem. Person ends up dead? We were doing our job. Talk about gun reform? OVER MY DEAD BODY 2nd AMENDMENT! Ya, clearly no issue with guns in this country. (I'm a believer in the 2nd amendment as well, though my support is waning).

 

Maybe one time, I'd like to hear a cop admit that another officer made a mistake. Toeing the company line constantly is why people dislike and distrust police. If other professions are allowed to criticize their own, why can't cops do the same? I understand its an incredibly difficult job and I respect the hell out of cops. But come on, maybe not in the case of Alton Sterling then how about Philando Castile?

[Kelly Gruene 26]

We have more police shootings and gun violence in general than any other 1st world country but apparently thats not a problem. Person ends up dead? We were doing our job. Talk about gun reform? OVER MY DEAD BODY 2nd AMENDMENT! Ya, clearly no issue with guns in this country. (I'm a believer in the 2nd amendment as well, though my support is waning).

 

Maybe one time, I'd like to hear a cop admit that another officer made a mistake. Toeing the company line constantly is why people dislike and distrust police. If other professions are allowed to criticize their own, why can't cops do the same? I understand its an incredibly difficult job and I respect the hell out of cops. But come on, maybe not in the case of Alton Sterling then how about Philando Castile?

 

I just don't think one side will ever convince the other in this discussion.

In Baltimore all 4 policemen tried so far have been found 'not guilty' by a judge who has heard all of the evidence in each case. Charges were brought and trials did take place and all 4 so far have been found not guilty of the charges. Yet, the 'cops can kill at will and be home for dinner' crowd will likely never accept the trial results. And, in the Baton Rouge and St. Paul incidents, if the DA's and grand juries think charges should be brought after all the evidence is heard, then those police too will go on trial. If charges aren't brought, well some will say the system must be rigged. If trials take place and the police are found innocent, well, the system just must be rigged.

There is so much political pressure that I'm sure the Baton Rouge and St. Paul DA's almost want to bring charges.

The evidence, of which the videos are just a small but very visible part, will determine how things move forward. Or don't.

It's hard judging reactions by anyone who is under duress. That's why police have internal investigations. People who have been under similar circumstances may understand better than those who have never been anywhere close to those circumstances.

I like police in general but never want to see them in my rear view mirror. They have a job that is more threatening than probably any job other than a military or Blackwater type person deployed to the Middle East.

I'm thankful that smart, dedicated people are willing to do policing. Hopefully more will continue to fill the ranks.

Edited July 20, 2016 by Kelly Gruene

[jessemoore97 1,287]

We have more police shootings and gun violence in general than any other 1st world country but apparently thats not a problem. Person ends up dead? We were doing our job. Talk about gun reform? OVER MY DEAD BODY 2nd AMENDMENT! Ya, clearly no issue with guns in this country. (I'm a believer in the 2nd amendment as well, though my support is waning).

 

Maybe one time, I'd like to hear a cop admit that another officer made a mistake. Toeing the company line constantly is why people dislike and distrust police. If other professions are allowed to criticize their own, why can't cops do the same? I understand its an incredibly difficult job and I respect the hell out of cops. But come on, maybe not in the case of Alton Sterling then how about Philando Castile?

 

Who are the officers that are supposed to say another made a mistake? Someone within the agency that something happened at, an outsider from another agency locally or on the other side of the country? What defines toeing the company line exactly?

[Kelly Gruene 26]

Here are some articles with statistics about who's shooting who. As you might imagine, the numbers are confusing and have different interpretations depending on who is presenting the numbers.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.6223d86a72f5

 

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

[echo88 74]

We have more police shootings and gun violence in general than any other 1st world country but apparently thats not a problem. Person ends up dead? We were doing our job. Talk about gun reform? OVER MY DEAD BODY 2nd AMENDMENT! Ya, clearly no issue with guns in this country. (I'm a believer in the 2nd amendment as well, though my support is waning).

 

Maybe one time, I'd like to hear a cop admit that another officer made a mistake. Toeing the company line constantly is why people dislike and distrust police. If other professions are allowed to criticize their own, why can't cops do the same? I understand its an incredibly difficult job and I respect the hell out of cops. But come on, maybe not in the case of Alton Sterling then how about Philando Castile?

 

And what else does the U.S. have that no other first world country has? A more diverse melting pot of every race, nationality, creed, and level of wealth than any other country on the planet. We are going to have unique problems because our country prides itself on promoting equality while hosting every facet of social, religious, and economical beliefs that society has to offer. Right now we have poor, uneducated citizens who have resorted to a life of criminal activity/government handouts to support their existence while blaming racism when they are accosted by the establishment we have enacted to combat it. We have national media that is so wildly partisan that most normal Americans have to resort to getting their news externally. We have a society that has somehow confused unalienable rights with political correctness. That doesnt exist....anywhere else on the planet.

 

Philando Castile? What do you know about that situation? You know what I know---the chain of events as ingested and regurgitated by our slanted media in the hopes of fanning the flames of a race war (ratings bonanza). There are only 3 people who know what transpired before he was shot and, of the 2 who are still alive, only one has been caught lying multiple times thus far. That tells me all I need to know.

 

The "victims" outlined in every one of these instances of police violence are CRIMINALS. African Americans need to stop placing the blame on everyone else in this country when they are profiled. It's not black people who are profiled---it's criminals...regardless of race. As they should be. If I was the only white guy living in a black neighborhood and all the robbery reports claimed that it was a white guy doing the robbing....do you think I'd be offended if I was always stopped by the police and asked about it?? No, I'd say "Goddamnit, criminals of Nordic descent, stop making my life harder". It's common sense.

 

Want better schools? Stop trashing the ones you have and participating in unprecedented violence against fellow students and administrators. Nah, it's easier to just claim that white people dont want you to be educated.

 

Want to be looked at as a serious candidate for a job? Demonstrate that you are willing to go above and beyond the requirements of the position. Nah its just easier to claim that you weren't hired because of your race. Oh, and the limitless, lifelong free benefits associated with unemployment also might have something to do with it.

 

As Sheriff Dave Clarke said at the RNC, we have a societal code that we all live by to obey the laws set forth and to accept the consequences when we choose to ignore them. The "victims" who want our hearts to bleed and our feet to march every time one of these criminals makes a wrong move (with a weapon no less when the police are only asking that they comply with simple orders for their own safety), are making a fu(king mockery of our social structure.

 

I am sick of it. There is no racial bias or anyone being treated unjustly. Only criminals who want to be given the benefit of the doubt when they dont deserve it.

 

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[echo88 74]

I just don't think one side will ever convince the other in this discussion.

In Baltimore all 4 policemen tried so far have been found 'not guilty' by a judge who has heard all of the evidence in each case. Charges were brought and trials did take place and all 4 so far have been found not guilty of the charges. Yet, the 'cops can kill at will and be home for dinner' crowd will likely never accept the trial results. And, in the Baton Rouge and St. Paul incidents, if the DA's and grand juries think charges should be brought after all the evidence is heard, then those police too will go on trial. If charges aren't brought, well some will say the system must be rigged. If trials take place and the police are found innocent, well, the system just must be rigged.

There is so much political pressure that I'm sure the Baton Rouge and St. Paul DA's almost want to bring charges.

The evidence, of which the videos are just a small but very visible part, will determine how things move forward. Or don't.

It's hard judging reactions by anyone who is under duress. That's why police have internal investigations. People who have been under similar circumstances may understand better than those who have never been anywhere close to those circumstances.

I like police in general but never want to see them in my rear view mirror. They have a job that is more threatening than probably any job other than a military or Blackwater type person deployed to the Middle East.

I'm thankful that smart, dedicated people are willing to do policing. Hopefully more will continue to fill the ranks.

 

Personally, I am shocked that justice can prevail in Gotham City. That is one of the most corrupt, racist (anti-white) cities in the U.S. If those guys were found not guilty in Baltimore, I'm starting to think they must not have even been present at all during the "crime" in question. They were found not guilty because they didn't do anything wrong. Criminals don't get to resist arrest, assault officers, and p|ss on authority then immediately claim that their rights were violated when they get their a$$es kicked or shot. Pose a threat to society and prison suddenly becomes your best case scenario.

[jessemoore97 1,287]

Personally, I am shocked that justice can prevail in Gotham City. That is one of the most corrupt, racist (anti-white) cities in the U.S. If those guys were found not guilty in Baltimore, I'm starting to think they must not have even been present at all during the "crime" in question. They were found not guilty because they didn't do anything wrong. Criminals don't get to resist arrest, assault officers, and p|ss on authority then immediately claim that their rights were violated when they get their a$$es kicked or shot. Pose a threat to society and prison suddenly becomes your best case scenario.

 

Yup. Pretty bad when the judge in case 2 or 3 basically said he wouldn't have needed the defense to present their case because the state didn't show anything that supported the charges leveled at the officer. It's almost like the rant in the quiz bowl that Billy Madison gave and the judges response to him lol. That's how bad Mosby's case was.

[echo88 74]

Yup. Pretty bad when the judge in case 2 or 3 basically said he wouldn't have needed the defense to present their case because the state didn't show anything that supported the charges leveled at the officer. It's almost like the rant in the quiz bowl that Billy Madison gave and the judges response to him lol. That's how bad Mosby's case was.

 

And that is despite having a mayor who was already charged with corruption coming out after the arrests and basically tossing out any presumption of innocence for the officers involved.

 

I guess she figured that would stop the looting and destruction of the ghetto neighborhoods at the hands of the fine, upstanding citizens of West Baltimore.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html

 

 

This is getting a bit out of hand. Probably was always like this though. Did you know police killed 1125 people in 2015 and 23% of them got convicted of murder? I was actually surprised at the number of convictions. Sure they got fewer average sentences than regular folk but nonetheless.

[Pregame 291]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html

 

 

This is getting a bit out of hand. Probably was always like this though. Did you know police killed 1125 people in 2015 and 23% of them got convicted of murder? I was actually surprised at the number of convictions. Sure they got fewer average sentences than regular folk but nonetheless.

We need to wait for all the facts to come out! /fart

[Kelly Gruene 26]

Personally, I am shocked that justice can prevail in Gotham City. That is one of the most corrupt, racist (anti-white) cities in the U.S. If those guys were found not guilty in Baltimore, I'm starting to think they must not have even been present at all during the "crime" in question. They were found not guilty because they didn't do anything wrong. Criminals don't get to resist arrest, assault officers, and p|ss on authority then immediately claim that their rights were violated when they get their a$$es kicked or shot. Pose a threat to society and prison suddenly becomes your best case scenario.

 

The officers chose a 'bench' trial rather than trial by a 'jury of their peers'. The judge ruled on the evidence (at least, that's the common interpretation); a jury may have ruled on emotion.

[Kelly Gruene 26]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html

 

 

This is getting a bit out of hand. Probably was always like this though. Did you know police killed 1125 people in 2015 and 23% of them got convicted of murder? I was actually surprised at the number of convictions. Sure they got fewer average sentences than regular folk but nonetheless.

 

Those would be quick convictions. Just to help me understand the numbers, can you provide a reference?

[Jim2Dokes 3]

Those would be quick convictions. Just to help me understand the numbers, can you provide a reference?

 

Good point. Hmm now I am seeing 0 were convicted in 2015. Sorry the number is since 2005, 43 cops were sent to trials and 23 percent convicted. So now I see 0 convictions. Which is much worse if true.

Edited July 21, 2016 by Jim2Dokes

[Soko 128]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html

 

 

This is getting a bit out of hand. Probably was always like this though. Did you know police killed 1125 people in 2015 and 23% of them got convicted of murder? I was actually surprised at the number of convictions. Sure they got fewer average sentences than regular folk but nonetheless.

 

Why is there no video of the actual shooting? It does seem from this that is another complete overreaction.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

We need to wait for all the facts to come out! /fart

 

Right. He should be arrested and booked for attempted murder. Instead like Davis stated he got sent home for dinner on admin leave. He fired 3x, luckily only hit the guy in the leg once.

Edited July 21, 2016 by Jim2Dokes

[echo88 74]

Right. He should be arrested and booked for attempted murder. Instead like Davis stated he got sent home for dinner on admin leave. He fired 3x, luckily only hit the guy in the leg once.

 

The difference with this case is that police supporters can obviously tell that this wrong and that the officer in question should be punished. Supporters of the BLM movement, however, ignore circumstances and loop cases like this in with the documented cases where the victim was the aggressor. In dangerous professions, mistakes are made and there should be consequences for such actions. That isn't up for debate.

 

But the media, in this instance, attempt to recklessly paint with a broad brush and draw a parallel between erroneous shootings and cases of self defense against convicted criminals.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

The difference with this case is that police supporters can obviously tell that this wrong and that the officer in question should be punished. Supporters of the BLM movement, however, ignore circumstances and loop cases like this in with the documented cases where the victim was the aggressor. In dangerous professions, mistakes are made and there should be consequences for such actions. That isn't up for debate.

 

But the media, in this instance, attempt to recklessly paint with a broad brush and draw a parallel between erroneous shootings and cases of self defense against convicted criminals.

 

We only see the cases where there are videos most of the time. Who knows what else is going on out there. Fact is this guy is on admin leave at home and the other guy is in the hospital. The guy in the hospital is not the criminal the police officer is. That's why people are pissed, there's no justice. I assume he will be tried and sentenced to a very small penalty, I could be wrong. But there is no reason he should be allowed to be at home right now. What if he runs or kills someone, we don't know if this cop is a danger to society.