another obama vacation wtf

[nickman54 0]

You stated that I don't agree with Obamas energy policy. I was quoting T Boone on that, he said himself that he believes Obama does not have an energy policy. I actually met Steven Chu, who was Obamas first Energy Secretary. He wanted to fight global warming by painting everyones roof white. He lives in Cali, white helps to reflect sun, seems like a great idea, until you get to northern Indiana. A dark roof collects sun and helps to lessen the heat load on a house in the winter. I am truly amazed at how some of these .gov officials are allowed to speak about science and physics in front of a crowd.

[REMND 0]

Politics is compromise. The rights stated approach is to concede on nothing. As a result of that, Obama cannot keep reaching across the aisle just to be slapped away. That is what has kept Keystone from being a reality along with the challenges of the gulf oil spill.

 

T bone Pickens is always worth listening to but if he says Obama doesn't have an energy policy I do not know what he is talking about. Clean energy, improved infrastructure for efficiency, conservation and more. Yet the right wing talking points are that he has no policy and I have been hearing that for years. Why, because drill baby drill is the only energy policy that I see them believing in.

It is the only policy they can hear.

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[nickman54 0]

Politics is compromised. The rights stated approach is to concede on nothing. As a result of that, Obama cannot keep reaching across the aisle just to be slapped away. That is what has kept Keystone from being a reality along with the challenges of the gulf oil spill.

T bone Pickens is always worth listening to but if he says Obama doesn't have an energy policy I do not know what he is talking about. Clean energy, improved infrastructure for efficiency, conservation and more. Yet the right wing talking points are that he has no policy and I have been hearing that for years. Why, because drill baby drill is the only energy policy that I see them believing in.

It is the only policy they can hear.

 

1- This must mean that you cannot rebut what I said. This is not even close to a real argument. Everyone on the right wants Keystone, if Obama said go they would. No question.

 

2-Have you ever heard of tax rebates for energy efficient furnaces and HVAC systems? The .gov is giving out money for GEO and efficient furnaces like it was candy. You can get a tax rebate for 30% of your total install on a GEO system right now. This legislation has been approved by both sides.

 

 

I appreciate your input, but a lot of what you are saying is opinion and you haven't brought much fact or sources to the argument. The energy field is my field of expertise and would like to see what you think about it as well.

[potownhero 0]

No it is not a fairy tale. Only free market evangelists think so. My personal choice is that we have both. Million feel that way. Stop interfering with our free choice. I take it you want to get rid of the oil subsidies mentioned in this link since they are clearly not free market programs.

 

Do you hear yourself? You make no sense. I said to let the marketplace and personal choice play the part. That's not forcing anyone to do anything. You on the other hand are forcing everyone to pay into your government scheme to fund an inefficient industry. I prefer personal choice - Why are you against choice?

 

You want to buy a solar panel, go do it...with your own money.

 

Your projecting on Kennedy. Kennedy would be called a socialist today by the Right wingers. He would demand a huge tax increase to get to his proposed rates.

 

Yeah, watch the video - sounds like you're wrong again...like I said Kennedy would be shunned from the Democratic Party.

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You're last comment is just rhetoric; nothing of substance and not worthy of wasting time on. I deal with facts.

[REMND 0]

Energy security requires both free markets and government incentive and investment. That is fundamental and the free market evangelists are just wrong. Stop trying to force us all to be free market evangelists. It is nothing more than a fairy tale. Why have you not commented on getting rid of the fossil fuel subsidies. Are those inconvenient facts so not worthy of your comment?

 

Kennedy wanted to reduce the top income tax rate to 65% and the top corporate rate to 47%. Those are called facts. Are those the facts that you deal with?

 

Yes the dems are a big tent. Those are the facts.

 

I have never met a right winger who really embraced facts. Facts are liberal as far as they are concerned.

[nickman54 0]

Energy security requires both free markets and government incentive and investment. That is fundamental and the free market evangelists are just wrong. Stop trying to force us all to be free market evangelists. It is nothing more than a fairy tale. Why have you not commented on getting rid of the fossil fuel subsidies. Are those inconvenient facts so not worthy of your comment?

 

Kennedy wanted to reduce the top income tax rate to 65% and the top corporate rate to 47%. Those are called facts. Are those the facts that you deal with?

 

Yes the dems are a big tent. Those are the facts.

 

I have never met a right winger who really embraced facts. Facts are liberal as far as they are concerned.

 

Is pathetic. I am not a Repub, but would most likely fit your right wing label, and take that last statement as one of the most uninformed things I have read lately. I work on fact and sometimes emotion, all I have seen from you in this thread is propaganda and talking points with no fact to back anything you say up. I asked you to rebut these things in previous post, but you don't, and respond with the usual Repubs suck party line crap. When debating you need to actually have an argument.

[REMND 0]

Is pathetic. I am not a Repub, but would most likely fit your right wing label, and take that last statement as one of the most uninformed things I have read lately. I work on fact and sometimes emotion, all I have seen from you in this thread is propaganda and talking points with no fact to back anything you say up. I asked you to rebut these things in previous post, but you don't, and respond with the usual Repubs suck party line crap. When debating you need to actually have an argument.

 

Republicans do not respect facts. Rush Limbaugh is their most visible spokesman. No group that follows him can claim they seek facts. They want outrage and scandal. Obama is a muslim. He is a socialist. He is the fuhrer. Swift boating. Yellow cake urnaium. We aren't engaging in torture. Climate change is a fraud. Creationism is science. Obamacare means death panels. Do any of you right wingers know that Obamacare is basically just the Heritage Foundations Health Care program urged on us by the right in 1993 or so? It has been pointed out numerous times but I bet the fact loving right wingers still do not know that. Oh, one of my favorite right wing lies, Gore said he invented the internet. They still think he said that. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

 

 

Check out the right wing claims in this thread. Obama is the Fuhrer. Clean energy is a fairy tale. OECD countries (32 out of 33 - we are the 33) are socialists. Kennedy could not be a member of this dem party. Dems controlled the legislature 6 years during Bush's 8 year debacle. Obama takes excessive vacations. People who voted for Obama are stupid. Right wingers do not think they are driven by the same politically correct nonsense thinking that the left was guilty of years ago.

 

People are looking at the right wing and claiming that they think all facts are liberal. They are being called bubble people because they live in a bubble where all contrary facts are excluded. That is exactly what I have been seeing for years now.

 

So you aren't a repub. What, is that supposed to give you creds? Fine. I am not a dem. I voted all repub in 1994. I finally got tired after 8 years of get Clinton, Gore invented the internet, we are all socialists if we are not right wingers (extremists), voter fraud, hating gays and on and on. Oh, the Florida 2000 voting debacle is one outrage that will never go away for me. Get over it Scalia. Unbelievable in America. Totally acceptable to repubs.

 

Yes I do think there is no opinion that the right wing will question as long as it supports their dogma. That is because that is what I have been seeing ever since my guy, Bush Sr., basically got thrown out of office because right wing noise makers failed to support him claiming he was a RINO. The only thing that will ever resolve the right wing appetite for politically correct spin is the changing demographics. Their audience is going away. That is a good thing.

 

As far as you thinking I have cited no facts and have not rebutted anything you said, okay. That happens sometimes.

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[Scotty88 0]

So you aren't a repub. What, is that supposed to give you creds? Fine. I am not a dem. I voted all repub in 1994. I finally got tired after 8 years of get Clinton, Gore invented the internet, we are all socialists if we are not right wingers (extremists), voter fraud, hating gays and on and on. Oh, the Florida 2000 voting debacle is one outrage that will never go away for me. Get over it Scalia. Unbelievable in America. Totally acceptable to repubs.

 

Don't forget all the scare tactics used to suppress the liberal, inner-city vote.....very American

[Domer Dude 0]

Don't forget all the scare tactics used to suppress the liberal, inner-city vote.....very American

 

Yep I consider myself conservative in many ways - but conservative is not the same as being a bought off republican. Democrats have better leadership at this time. Simple as that. Republicans live and die but the my way or the highway montra. Dem's atleast try to unite.

 

Zero leadership in the republican party. The party is simply about dividing the populous up to get 50.00001% of the vote.

 

When NJ governor moves to the middle the reaction is to throw him out. That is what america wants - working together. Agree to disagree but work together. Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

All the presidents' vacations/travel were within reason except W's. Republicans have a vindicative way to try and blame others for what they did. W had 9/11 so lets blame Obama for Benghazi for a word. W had his vacations so lets blame Obama for same.

 

Suggest Repub's look inward and start blaming themselves.

[Scotty88 0]

When NJ governor moves to the middle the reaction is to throw him out. That is what america wants - working together. Agree to disagree but work together. Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Exactly, could not agree more.

 

We need ideas from both sides.

 

It was telling the right's reaction when Collin Powell basically said the exact same thing in '08.

[nd1baby 0]

Diversity is our strength.

 

[nickman54 0]

Apologies to all

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Drunken Rant

[Scotty88 0]

Maybe try decaf this morning Nick.

[Rockets Revenge 0]

Oh, one of my favorite right wing lies, Gore said he invented the internet. They still think he said that. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

 

Here are his exact words: “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

 

So please tell us how the right wing twisted it....

[REMND 0]

Here are his exact words: “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

 

So please tell us how the right wing twisted it....

 

From Snopes.

 

"Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

 

Status: False.

 

Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)

 

If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while president, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he "invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement.

 

Whether Gore's statement that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet" is justified is a subject of debate. "

Edited June 24, 2013 by REMND

[Jim2Dokes 3]

No matter what Gore said or intended it doesn't really matter compared to " mission accomplished".

[Rockets Revenge 0]

Again, directly from your posted quote, note the bold....

 

 

From Snopes.

 

"Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

 

Status: False.

 

Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)

 

If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while president, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he "invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement.

 

Whether Gore's statement that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet" is justified is a subject of debate. "

[REMND 0]

You are displaying one of the worst examples of right wing read memory only that I have ever seen. You believe we found a mountain of WMD in Iraq, don't you?

[Scotty88 0]

You are displaying one of the worst examples of right wing read memory only that I have ever seen. You believe we found a mountain of WMD in Iraq, don't you?

 

The term "Initiative" can be tough to grasp, especially in this context where it encompasses so much.

 

Going back to the 70s, he took every initiative to promote the idea of high speed

telecommunications as an engine for economic growth and the

improvement of our educational system.

 

With help from the Reagan and Bush 1 administrations, Gore secured

the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in

1991.

[REMND 0]

What is your challenge with the statement?