Liberal Student Babe Argues With Daddy

[scintrigue 0]

Like your hero Ronald Reagan. Raised taxes a half a dozen times. G HW Bush also raised taxes, so which party is it that is for low taxes?

 

No lowering the taxes from big business and the upper class, and in turn raising middle class taxes counts as a tax-cut. Don't ya know? You can thank Reagan for the extrodianry gasoline tax. Oh and he actually raised coporate taxes after he lowered them. But the biggest victims were the middle class. Oh an Reagan raised taxes 6 of the 8 years he was in office.

[RockneDrive 0]

I don't think you answer Q's in your own way.

 

I don't really give a $hit what you think. And don't give me this middle of the road business. You are liberal my friend. That's obvious!

[Irishstuff 0]

"Here is an example. Haliburton getting No-Bid contracts from the VP that used to be their CEO. Oil prices going through the roof while an ex oil man is the sitting Pres."

 

This doesn't prove your thesis at all. You are jumping to conclusions. You have no proof of any wrongdoing. If there was any evidence and a law was violated, these folks would be in jail.

 

You are just spewing left-wing, anti-capitalist, anti-republican rhetoric. Talk about not having your own thoughts.

 

So then Haliburton did have to submit bids? I'll agree that the oil prices is speculative, but how can we find proof when former Presidents can classify information. And we all know that everyone that violates a law gets jail time. Your black and white world must be very easy to live in.

[Irishstuff 0]

I don't really give a $hit what you think. And don't give me this middle of the road business. You are liberal my friend. That's obvious!

 

Yeah, because my gun support and anti-abortion stance and military support and my distate for hippies make me a liberal hero.

 

Again, your black and white world must be easy to live in.

[scintrigue 0]

"Here is an example. Haliburton getting No-Bid contracts from the VP that used to be their CEO. Oil prices going through the roof while an ex oil man is the sitting Pres."

 

This doesn't prove your thesis at all. You are jumping to conclusions. You have no proof of any wrongdoing. If there was any evidence and a law was violated, these folks would be in jail.

 

You are just spewing left-wing, anti-capitalist, anti-republican rhetoric. Talk about not having your own thoughts.

 

Why do you always have to resort to those kind of statements? You don't know him personally. You have yet make a logical arguement. Most of the republicans on here actually bring a good debate to the table. You on the other hand, just generalize everyone into "spewing left-wing, socialist, anti-capitalist, liberal, ect." Never bring up any relevant facts, and when you get burned resort to name calling.

[RockneDrive 0]

Why do you always have to resort to those kind of statements? You don't know him personally. You have yet make a logical arguement. Most of the republicans on here actually bring a good debate to the table. You on the other hand, just generalize everyone into "spewing left-wing, socialist, anti-capitalist, liberal, ect." Never bring up any relevant facts, and when you get burned resort to name calling.

 

I haven't seen anything approaching a logical argument from him or you. You never support your claims, never state a thesis and then provide empirical or logical proof. You guys spew Daily Kos talking points and expect everyone who calls you on it to disprove and do your work for you.

 

I don't play those silly games.

[scintrigue 0]

I haven't seen anything approaching a logical argument from him or you. You never support your claims, never state a thesis and then provide empirical or logical proof. You guys spew Daily Kos talking points and expect everyone who calls you on it to disprove and do your work for you.

 

I don't play those silly games.

 

Please explain your statement that republicans lower taxes and democrats raise them then. Go ahead and try to refute my arguement on the previous page that has FACTS about how Reagan raised taxes.

[Irishstuff 0]

I haven't seen anything approaching a logical argument from him or you. You never support your claims, never state a thesis and then provide empirical or logical proof. You guys spew Daily Kos talking points and expect everyone who calls you on it to disprove and do your work for you.

 

I don't play those silly games.

 

Congratulations, once again, on not answering any questions and running and hiding behind your "I don't have to tell you anything" standpoint. That's exactly how a debate goes.

 

 

Study guys like Mcdougal and CJ. At least they provide content with their posts.

[Tenacious_ND 0]

 

If we can break the unions, create more esops, create a health care program where pre existing conditions are not excluded and those financial losses are partially written off by the government on a tax forgiveness basis, cap corporate contributions at 20k and establish a free 2 year college for in state residents, create a national tax forgiveness to move all offshore accounts back into us banks and holding companies, eliminate the property tax, increase the use of American oil reserves, eliminate the presence of the us military in the mid east and replace it with special forces and invest into the building of schools and hospitals...

 

I figure if we can get that done the world would be a more perfect place...

 

absolutely.. we also need to get alternative fuels into reality the sooner the better. ofcourse that battle is with the OIL Industry! I think its about time Welfare needs an overhaul.

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[Tenacious_ND 0]

Tenacious, I have to ask, you really like Michael Moore, don't you?

 

no I absolutely hate him. hes a moron. He brings some good points to the table only to destroy them with extreme apple to orange comparisons.

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Edited March 27, 2011 by Tenacious_ND

[Tenacious_ND 0]

Just love how it's corporations that get blamed but not lawyers and politicians. I get my groceries, clothes, cars, TVs, computers, office supplies, and just about every good or service from a corporation.

 

What do lawyers and politicians do? Just take money away from people and corporations who have earned that money by providing a good or service.

 

Politicians and most attorneys are nothing but parasites to our economy.

 

the politicians and attorneys work for the corporations.

 

if you havent already go watch Food INC.. and get back to me.

 

i bet you think Disney is a wholesome Corporation???

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Edited March 27, 2011 by Tenacious_ND

[potownhero 0]

So then Haliburton did have to submit bids? I'll agree that the oil prices is speculative, but how can we find proof when former Presidents can classify information. And we all know that everyone that violates a law gets jail time. Your black and white world must be very easy to live in.

 

Read this article and hopefully you will be better informed; by going on and on and not knowing the answers to your own questions, you prove yourself to be ignorant. There is an answer they are there and it's not why you are implying.

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/apr/22/opinion/oe-boot22

 

Note this in the article:

 

"By focusing on Halliburton, critics ignore the real scandal, which is how inefficient our procurement bureaucracy is. Remember those stories from the 1980s about the Pentagon buying $640 toilet seats and $435 hammers? Well, things haven't changed a lot. The same gold-plated approach is being taken to administer aid to Iraq."

 

Unfortunately, neither party wants to make government smaller which it needs to be. The D's seem to want to expand it a lot more than the R's. And given the inefficiencies pointed out in the article, its obvious that the Government is more wasteful than a private corp.

[Irishstuff 0]

Read this article and hopefully you will be better informed; by going on and on and not knowing the answers to your own questions, you prove yourself to be ignorant. There is an answer they are there and it's not why you are implying.

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/apr/22/opinion/oe-boot22

 

Note this in the article:

 

"By focusing on Halliburton, critics ignore the real scandal, which is how inefficient our procurement bureaucracy is. Remember those stories from the 1980s about the Pentagon buying $640 toilet seats and $435 hammers? Well, things haven't changed a lot. The same gold-plated approach is being taken to administer aid to Iraq."

 

Unfortunately, neither party wants to make government smaller which it needs to be. The D's seem to want to expand it a lot more than the R's. And given the inefficiencies pointed out in the article, its obvious that the Government is more wasteful than a private corp.

 

 

 

 

I'm not going on and on. This is exactly the type of things I am interested in. I will never claim to know everything. I was offering up 2 examples off the top of my head. As I said before, I like to bring things up to see people's responses and thoughts. Not because I think I know it all.

 

However, it is quite a coincidence that Haliburton got the bids. I agree with the government spending and it being a mess though. I just don't believe that it is the fault of only 1 party, which many people imply.

Edited January 24, 2010 by Irishstuff

[potownhero 0]

I'm not going on and on. This is exactly the type of things I am interested in. I will never claim to know everything. I was offering up 2 examples off the top of my head. As I said before, I like to bring things up to see people's responses and thoughts. Not because I think I know it all.

 

However, it is quite a coincidence that Haliburton got the bids. I agree with the government spending and it being a mess though. I just don't believe that it is the fault of only 1 party, which many people imply.

 

My apologies. I'm glad if that info helped.

[domeanddomer 0]

Please explain your statement that republicans lower taxes and democrats raise them then. Go ahead and try to refute my arguement on the previous page that has FACTS about how Reagan raised taxes.

 

Statement of fact: Letting tax cut legislation expire is absolutely raising taxes regardless of the spin that is put on it and that is exactly what your lord and savior Obama has said he will do.

 

Not to mention raising taxes is the ONLY way that he can afford to pay for all of this mess. You appear to be an intelligent person and, as such, I ask you this question. Without party affiliation or the liberal feeling of obligation to victims and dreamers, do you think that the direction of economic policy in this country is viable and or sustainable over the long term? Remember, this is a question of economics only, not a perceived justification of economic policy.

 

Second question: Would you EVER run your personal finances in such a manner as the US Government is currently running the people's money?

 

Two direct and civil questions. All I ask is that you answer them the same way.

[mcdougal93 0]

So it's just liberals that exploit victims? Republicans never used 9/11 for their own benefit? Yeah, right. And it's just liberals that vote themselves payraises? Right.

 

You guys that are on the far right believe that the Republicans do no wrong and all you do is point at liberals. And you guys on the far left believe that the Democrats can do no wrong and all you do is point at Conservatives.

 

You are the people that are killing this country. Both sides. Michael Moore and Rush Linbaugh and Keith Olberman and Glen Beck, Keeping us divided and doing a spectacular job.

 

Each party does different things correctly and each fails miserably. But you guys pick your side and draw a line in the sand and it's disgusting. You can't even admit a valid point if it comes from the other side.

 

This is incorrect. I am disgusted by both parties and criticized the previous administration about their fiscal irresponsibility. The choice during the last election was the lesser of two evils and that is unfortunate. But it is the domocrat party whose only solution is for every problem is to throw money at it, tax it's citizens, and spend it on government programs that are always in debt. I know the Republicans also vote for their own pay raises and it's not the right thing to do.

 

The answer? TERM LIMITS. If you're only career is being a politician, drawing your salary from the public and not providing anything of importance, you're dead weight IMO.

 

As far as some on the right using exploiting 9/11 victims, if there is a specific example you can cite I may agree with you. However, if you watch most townhall meetings where there is a democrat candidate, there is always a question from a professional victim, such as the one that "has to choose between paying for her medicines or eating dog food because she can't afford both." Or the person "who just recently lost their job" etc.......

 

Here is an example:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/28/AR2009072801444.html

[mcdougal93 0]

the politicians and attorneys work for the corporations.

 

if you havent already go watch Food INC.. and get back to me.

 

i bet you think Disney is a wholesome Corporation???

 

Or... do the corporations work for the politicians? I'm not sure there is much to disagree on here and no I don't think Disney is a wholesome corporation. They own ABC and ESPN.

[Tenacious_ND 0]

Or... do the corporations work for the politicians? I'm not sure there is much to disagree on here and no I don't think Disney is a wholesome corporation. They own ABC and ESPN.

 

i just dont like the whole politician/corp relationship....

 

disney=devil

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Edited March 27, 2011 by Tenacious_ND

[potownhero 0]

i just dont like the whole politician/corp relationship....

 

disney=devil

 

Agreed - this relationship has the potential to cause much pain to the civil society.

 

However, this corrosive relationship isn't solely with corporations; look at the recent information out there that shows that a number of "scientists" manipulated their data so that they could get government grants to further study "Global Warming".

 

...so, to me it seems like the common denominator is government. They say that corruption is drawn to where the power is, ...well, for decades, that power has flowed to Washington DC.

 

If DC had much less power (and much less of our money) would it matter as much?