Justice Kennedy Retiring

[jessemoore97 1,278]

This is why the two sides can’t get along. You seriously believe wavehands looney tunes statement? And that it was all on purpose for Obama to get a nominee? Oh boy. Btw it was totally legal and just for Obama to nominate someone, your party are the crooks. Gerrymandering, suppressing votes ect.

 

ALL politicians are crooks, they should be synonymous with each other in the almanac. The things you mention at the end have been done by both sides.

 

I'm able to get along with liberals just fine. However I'm extremely alarmed by the radicalization of the DNC and the socialist movement within it. Free everything is downright scary, and its amazing the amount of people who buy into that.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

ALL politicians are crooks, they should be synonymous with each other in the almanac. The things you mention at the end have been done by both sides.

 

I'm able to get along with liberals just fine. However I'm extremely alarmed by the radicalization of the DNC and the socialist movement within it. Free everything is downright scary, and its amazing the amount of people who buy into that.

 

Not really, many great countries are socialist. I don’t see a problem with free healthcare and a few years of college as a problem myself. There are many handouts I do disagree with though, although I do not believe a free advanced education and healthcare as handouts. We probably agree on a few things here, but I like some things about socialism. I have to say though what did you expect? The right is so far right right now it is crazy, it is natural for people who disagree to do the opposite.

 

And yeah democrats in Maryland or whatever are acting a fool, but let’s not get into the all arguement when it is prodominatly gop with gerrymandering and voter laws.

 

Btw there may be a way to fix the healthcare system without Medicare for all, but you would still hate my ideas because they would for sure involve regulation and limits on costs.

Edited June 30, 2018 by Jim2Dokes

[Jim2Dokes 3]

The first part is just wrong. Head over to Reddit if you don't believe me. I will bow out of this discussion but extreme fringe people on either side are just as dangerous.

 

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b366d29e4b007aa2f7fb127

[jessemoore97 1,278]

Not really, many great countries are socialist. I don’t see a problem with free healthcare and a few years of college as a problem myself. There are many handouts I do disagree with though, although I do not believe a free advanced education and healthcare as handouts. We probably agree on a few things here, but I like some things about socialism. I have to say though what did you expect? The right is so far right right now it is crazy, it is natural for people who disagree to do the opposite.

 

And yeah democrats in Maryland or whatever are acting a fool, but let’s not get into the all arguement when it is prodominatly gop with gerrymandering and voter laws.

 

Btw there may be a way to fix the healthcare system without Medicare for all, but you would still hate my ideas because they would for sure involve regulation and limits on costs.

 

I guess we'll have to disagree on many great countries that are socialist. Rather our definitions of the countries you think are socialist, and in reality have social welfare programs but economies are very much capitalist i.e. Western Europe. The PM of Denmark I believe came out correcting and clarifying Bernie, telling him that Denmark is not a socialist country in the manner Bernie was portraying it while citing examples of Bernies proposed policies. Needless to say I don't want to be taxed at 60% or more like many of those countries, let me keep more of my money to do with as I please.

 

Free advanced education, in what lesbian dance theory, dead languages, conflict resolution, art history, or the other troves of junk degrees colleges are spitting out these days? No thank you I'm not paying for that, then have to pay welfare to those graduates because they couldn't find a job with that background. But the core of the problem lies with government subsidized student loans that jack up the price of college. Get the government out of it.

 

I'd argue that the overall effect the government has had on education the past few decades has diminished the quality of education altogether, while skyrocketing the costs. But I suppose that's another topic for a different thread, let alone starting in on healthcare while we're at it.

 

So to reiterate, less government because they screw up a lot more than they correct and I have to pay for it.

[jessemoore97 1,278]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b366d29e4b007aa2f7fb127

 

Like I talked about in another thread, the alt-right neo-Nazis types are not right/conservative at all. Those chuckleheads are the same people who go after conservative thinkers like Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, etc calling them all sorts of nasty anti-Semitic things. But it's even funnier when the crazies on the left go after Shapiro calling him alt-right and a Nazi, what gave him away his yamaka?!

 

So to clarify true conservatives or libertarians espouse less government involvement and stricter adherence to US Constitutional law among other things. The alt-right neo-Nazis fall more closely as socialist, which the actual Nazis were during Hitler's regime. Meaning more social welfare programs enacted by the government, government regulation of business and the economy, and utilize the government to single out individuals or groups by identity and regulate them to second class citizens or worse through unequal standards of laws.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

I guess we'll have to disagree on many great countries that are socialist. Rather our definitions of the countries you think are socialist, and in reality have social welfare programs but economies are very much capitalist i.e. Western Europe. The PM of Denmark I believe came out correcting and clarifying Bernie, telling him that Denmark is not a socialist country in the manner Bernie was portraying it while citing examples of Bernies proposed policies. Needless to say I don't want to be taxed at 60% or more like many of those countries, let me keep more of my money to do with as I please.

 

Free advanced education, in what lesbian dance theory, dead languages, conflict resolution, art history, or the other troves of junk degrees colleges are spitting out these days? No thank you I'm not paying for that, then have to pay welfare to those graduates because they couldn't find a job with that background. But the core of the problem lies with government subsidized student loans that jack up the price of college. Get the government out of it.

 

I'd argue that the overall effect the government has had on education the past few decades has diminished the quality of education altogether, while skyrocketing the costs. But I suppose that's another topic for a different thread, let alone starting in on healthcare while we're at it.

 

So to reiterate, less government because they screw up a lot more than they correct and I have to pay for it.

 

Not saying there are not aspects of capitalism, nor do we have to be black and white about our ideal way of running things. They are highly socialist in the way that workers get treated, they have so many rights and that is the basis. 1 year paid leave for birth of a child is one example. I also agree with you on limiting the types of education programs could be free, again it doesn’t have to be blankets here. Also, the govt loans to people that otherwise would not be able to go to college, so you are again limiting opportunities for the under privileged.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

Like I talked about in another thread, the alt-right neo-Nazis types are not right/conservative at all. Those chuckleheads are the same people who go after conservative thinkers like Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, etc calling them all sorts of nasty anti-Semitic things. But it's even funnier when the crazies on the left go after Shapiro calling him alt-right and a Nazi, what gave him away his yamaka?!

 

So to clarify true conservatives or libertarians espouse less government involvement and stricter adherence to US Constitutional law among other things. The alt-right neo-Nazis fall more closely as socialist, which the actual Nazis were during Hitler's regime. Meaning more social welfare programs enacted by the government, government regulation of business and the economy, and utilize the government to single out individuals or groups by identity and regulate them to second class citizens or worse through unequal standards of laws.

 

Well this is like saying the author of this thread is not conservative. Maybe it would be best to have this argument with one of them? I would say irishwave believes he is conservative, I could be wrong though. Me as a hapless liberal believes that link at least makes up 25% of people who vote for republicans, but I am just observing from the other side.

[jbrown_9999 1,020]

I guess we'll have to disagree on many great countries that are socialist. Rather our definitions of the countries you think are socialist, and in reality have social welfare programs but economies are very much capitalist i.e. Western Europe. The PM of Denmark I believe came out correcting and clarifying Bernie, telling him that Denmark is not a socialist country in the manner Bernie was portraying it while citing examples of Bernies proposed policies. Needless to say I don't want to be taxed at 60% or more like many of those countries, let me keep more of my money to do with as I please.

 

Free advanced education, in what lesbian dance theory, dead languages, conflict resolution, art history, or the other troves of junk degrees colleges are spitting out these days? No thank you I'm not paying for that, then have to pay welfare to those graduates because they couldn't find a job with that background. But the core of the problem lies with government subsidized student loans that jack up the price of college. Get the government out of it.

 

I'd argue that the overall effect the government has had on education the past few decades has diminished the quality of education altogether, while skyrocketing the costs. But I suppose that's another topic for a different thread, let alone starting in on healthcare while we're at it.

 

So to reiterate, less government because they screw up a lot more than they correct and I have to pay for it.

 

A few years ago, I read an article about the Occupy Wall Street movement in which a recent graduate from Tufts was complaining that she paid $250K for her degree and could not find a high paying job. Her degree was in Hispanic Lesbian Studies.

 

My question to her would have been, why did she spend $250K on a degree for which the only job it seems to prepare you for is teaching at Tufts?

[Jim2Dokes 3]

A few years ago, I read an article about the Occupy Wall Street movement in which a recent graduate from Tufts was complaining that she paid $250K for her degree and could not find a high paying job. Her degree was in Hispanic Lesbian Studies.

 

My question to her would have been, why did she spend $250K on a degree for which the only job it seems to prepare you for is teaching at Tufts?

 

That’s a private university, free market ask Jessie. People dropped 50k at Trump University, got a few pieces of bs paper and lectures you could get from the house flipping guy on your radio. Obama went hard after private universities, they are back open for business putting people in major debt with false promises. But Jessie likes that, free market, no regulation. Survival of the fittest ect.

Edited June 30, 2018 by Jim2Dokes

[jessemoore97 1,278]

A few years ago, I read an article about the Occupy Wall Street movement in which a recent graduate from Tufts was complaining that she paid $250K for her degree and could not find a high paying job. Her degree was in Hispanic Lesbian Studies.

 

My question to her would have been, why did she spend $250K on a degree for which the only job it seems to prepare you for is teaching at Tufts?

 

You don't have to tell me twice. My daughter has a masters in women's studies, which she went across the country for at a public U when State U here had same program. Now she works at UW Madison for a nice salary, but constantly moans about her debt and bills. Mom and I tried to convince her to stay home, costs more for out of state tuition yadda yada.

 

Of course right before she got her masters she told us that she would have no problem walking out of Public U and making $60-$70K, that's the line they told her. I of course laughed and told her I would love for that to happen so she could take care of herself, but told her I'm a realist and good luck with that. It took her about three years to get where she's at now, various jobs at lower pay, before she got in at UW. She's still below that 60k, but it's not too far off now.

[jessemoore97 1,278]

That’s a private university, free market ask Jessie. People dropped 50k at Trump University, got a few pieces of bs paper and lectures you could get from the house flipping guy on your radio. Obama went hard after private universities, they are back open for business putting people in major debt with false promises. But Jessie likes that, free market, no regulation. Survival of the fittest ect.

 

What are you talking about, private universities? Like ND? I know nothing, well almost nothing about schools like Trump U or whatever you're talking about. The best I can relate to is when my wife lost her manufacturing job and had the ability to use government grants to go to essentially what was Kaplan College. It was a waste, and we were dating at the time, so I didn't push the issue. She got a worthless AS degree, and her first employment(not connected to her degree BTW) after graduation was considered by them a success in placing her in a job. She racked up debt in school loans pursuing this degree, which looking back she even agrees it was a colossal waste of time and money. But gee whiz, we did the responsible thing and paid off those loans, as promised when she signed for them, and learned a lesson from it we pass on to others.

 

So like I mentioned about my daughter, advice was given, as an adult she went her own way. Now she gets to deal with what she created. She'll get though it, survive, and learn a lesson. How will people learn if you don't allow them to succeed or fail on their own? She had academic scholarships when she started school, then she lost them because of bad choices like not going to class and getting behind. Guess what she had to deal with it.

 

Call me cold and uncaring, all for survival of the fittest or what have you. Yeah that's me to everyone including family. You take responsibility, buck up and resolve your problems. I will try to help if I can or want to, but like a spotter in weight lifting your the one lifting all the weight with as little help from me as possible.

[Kelly Gruene 26]

See what you did? Now your people are going off the rails.

 

Both sides went off the rails during the last election cycle.

Social media and the media in general are profiting from it.

We all are on DomerDomain because we have one overriding commonality: Notre Dame.

It is my firm belief that in the United States we the people actually have much more in common than we have differences.

Social media and the media in general rarely display those commonalities. They only profit when there are differences to promote.

We don't all love everything about ND. We don't all love the football coach or the administration or certain players. Yet here we are because there is something that draws us in, that binds us.

I think that's true with the country as well. We don't have to love everything about it. We need to find ways to work things out. That's harder to do today than at any time in my lifetime.

[ckp160 10]

As a centrist, I can't help but laugh at all the leftist folks during the Trump administration. I laughed at the right for the same stuff during the Obama administration. There's a lot of, "No fair," and "I'm taking my ball and going home," crying coming out of the left right now.

 

I didn't vote for Donald Trump, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a second term for him. I predicted an absolute landslide victory for Clinton and I was totally wrong. It appears that perhaps there are more people who believe in "MAGA" than at first glance. I guess it depends on who the DNC puts up against him.

 

As far as a new justice is concerned, I hope it's somebody very centrist. We've come a long way with our social policies and I'd like to keep progressing... not regress. Should be interesting to say the least.

[Jersey Irish 205]

As a centrist, I can't help but laugh at all the leftist folks during the Trump administration. I laughed at the right for the same stuff during the Obama administration. There's a lot of, "No fair," and "I'm taking my ball and going home," crying coming out of the left right now.

 

I didn't vote for Donald Trump, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a second term for him. I predicted an absolute landslide victory for Clinton and I was totally wrong. It appears that perhaps there are more people who believe in "MAGA" than at first glance. I guess it depends on who the DNC puts up against him.

 

As far as a new justice is concerned, I hope it's somebody very centrist. We've come a long way with our social policies and I'd like to keep progressing... not regress. Should be interesting to say the least.

 

Agree that Trump has a better sho than most think at a second term. Looks like he could nominate Amy Barret, a law professor from ND, whom he appointed to a circuit court judge in Chicago last year. Nominating a woman, and one with impeccable credentials like hers as a strict constitutionalist, would be both bold and smart by him.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

Both sides went off the rails during the last election cycle.

Social media and the media in general are profiting from it.

We all are on DomerDomain because we have one overriding commonality: Notre Dame.

It is my firm belief that in the United States we the people actually have much more in common than we have differences.

Social media and the media in general rarely display those commonalities. They only profit when there are differences to promote.

We don't all love everything about ND. We don't all love the football coach or the administration or certain players. Yet here we are because there is something that draws us in, that binds us.

I think that's true with the country as well. We don't have to love everything about it. We need to find ways to work things out. That's harder to do today than at any time in my lifetime.

 

I don’t disagree, but not sure why if a democrat is in office you fear the safety of the judges and not the other way around. I was just pointing out you woke up the conspirators. My comment was light hearted towards you, more so pointing the fact that some people believe crazy things because of a certain political leaning.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

As a centrist, I can't help but laugh at all the leftist folks during the Trump administration. I laughed at the right for the same stuff during the Obama administration. There's a lot of, "No fair," and "I'm taking my ball and going home," crying coming out of the left right now.

 

I didn't vote for Donald Trump, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a second term for him. I predicted an absolute landslide victory for Clinton and I was totally wrong. It appears that perhaps there are more people who believe in "MAGA" than at first glance. I guess it depends on who the DNC puts up against him.

 

As far as a new justice is concerned, I hope it's somebody very centrist. We've come a long way with our social policies and I'd like to keep progressing... not regress. Should be interesting to say the least.

 

Be nice if Bloomberg wasn’t 76. Think he’s too old, but would be a damn good president. I can’t think of anyone right now I am excited about. I will be damn sure to vote and not for Trump, but there are no Obama’s from what I am seeing.

[ckp160 10]

I don't care for Bloomberg at all. In fact, he's on my list of people who will not be getting a Christmas card from me. Take that Michael Bloomberg.

 

[Kelly Gruene 26]

I don’t disagree, but not sure why if a democrat is in office you fear the safety of the judges and not the other way around. I was just pointing out you woke up the conspirators. My comment was light hearted towards you, more so pointing the fact that some people believe crazy things because of a certain political leaning.

 

I appreciated your comment as you intended. It actually made me chuckle.

 

I don’t remember much discussion about Supreme Court justices on DD before. I probably missed it if it happened.

I’ve not given much thought to their safety before. But with the current rhetoric from both sides I have more concern about the safety of all the Supremes, not just those appointed by one president or another.

It is my understanding that the only place they have any security at all is in the Supreme Court building. No one at home, no security details, no drivers.

There are a lot of crazies with their own agendas. Both parties want their people on the Court. Media trumpeting winners and losers and giving voice to the fringes. Just seems like a precarious time to me.

 

But really, I totally enjoyed your original comment.

[Franco 0]

Ahh, I was just reminded why I tend to stay out of the Off-topic section. I thought I learned my lesson with the climate change thread years ago