Global Warming

[piratey 6]

But, but, but.....global warming "caused" hurricane Katrina so where the hell have all of the hurricanes been since? Heck, the US should be hit with at least 2 dozen of those by now. Oh yeah, we have had a record LOW landfalls in the last 2 years. So the hippies will have to wait until the next major disaster to cry global warming.

 

I also laugh when the global warming types say that extreme weather is caused by global warming. So to set things straight, unless the weather patterns are exactly the same from now until the end of eternity, we have a massive problem ensuing. If historical data said June temperatures in the midwest in 1955 were 81F and this year it was 88F...we are all doomed.

 

It is December now and we have February weather in the Midwest. I saw last week that 63.3% of the US was under snow cover. I suppose that is an effect of global warming? Last year it was a normal winter. The year before that it was 60F in South Bend in Feb. So which is it? Oh right, the blanket, easiest explanation is that the FLUCTUATIONS are now because of global warming.

 

In the 70's the earth was too cool and the scramble was on to try and figure out how to warm it up. This planet is 4.5 billion years old and we are flipping out over data that is 100 years old....and the board's resident liberal is lecturing us on perspective and morality. Perfect.

 

Bro, new thing now. They claim that global warming...causes colder winters and more snow. Hilarious right? So rather than admit they were wrong and/or have no idea what they are doing, they just keep throwing stuff at the wall to see if it sticks.

 

Pictorial representation of Global Warming Scientist:

http://www.openbooktoronto.com/sites/default/files/obt/illustrations/I%20have%20no%20idea.jpg

[nickman54 0]

But, but, but.....global warming "caused" hurricane Katrina so where the hell have all of the hurricanes been since? Heck, the US should be hit with at least 2 dozen of those by now. Oh yeah, we have had a record LOW landfalls in the last 2 years. So the hippies will have to wait until the next major disaster to cry global warming.

 

I also laugh when the global warming types say that extreme weather is caused by global warming. So to set things straight, unless the weather patterns are exactly the same from now until the end of eternity, we have a massive problem ensuing. If historical data said June temperatures in the midwest in 1955 were 81F and this year it was 88F...we are all doomed.

 

It is December now and we have February weather in the Midwest. I saw last week that 63.3% of the US was under snow cover. I suppose that is an effect of global warming? Last year it was a normal winter. The year before that it was 60F in South Bend in Feb. So which is it? Oh right, the blanket, easiest explanation is that the FLUCTUATIONS are now because of global warming.

 

In the 70's the earth was too cool and the scramble was on to try and figure out how to warm it up. This planet is 4.5 billion years old and we are flipping out over data that is 100 years old....and the board's resident liberal is lecturing us on perspective and morality. Perfect.

 

Global warming didn't cause Katrina, it was George Bush, or so I've been told.....

:bolt:

[ND3 0]

Global warming didn't cause Katrina, it was George Bush, or so I've been told.....

:bolt:

 

I heard it was the gays

[corysold 0]

http://centerforoceansolutions.org/climate/impacts/cumulative-impacts/storm-intensity/

 

climate science suggests an increase in frequency and intensity of storms. it predicts more extreme weather events... the snow storm could fall into this pattern.

 

http://www.skepticalscience.com/extreme-weather-global-warming-intermediate.htm

 

http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Causing-Extreme-Weather.aspx

 

 

But, really, do you care?

 

They might suggest that, but it isn't what is happening.

 

US Hurricane Landfalls by Decade

1850 - 16

1860 - 15

1870 - 19

1880 - 27

1890 - 21

1900 - 18

1910 - 21

1920 - 15

1930 - 17

1940 - 23

1950 - 18

1960 - 15

1970 - 12

1980 - 16

1990 - 14

2000 - 18

2010+ - 3

 

By this data, the decade of the 2000's, which everyone says was so active, is actually the 7th most active decade since 1850. Hmm. That's odd.

 

But that is ok, the storms are more powerful now. Well, maybe not.

 

Cat 4/5 Hurricanes making landfall by decade

 

1850 - 1

1860 - 0

1870 - 0

1880 - 1

1890 - 2

1900 - 1

1910 - 3

1920 - 2

1930 - 2

1940 - 1

1950 - 2

1960 - 3

1970 - 0

1980 - 1

1990 - 1

2000 - 1

2010+ - 0

 

So if anything, there are fewer strong storms now then there were in the early part of the century. That is odd.

 

Now, I won't dispute there are more recorded storms now. But is that because there are more storms, or better recording of storms?

 

Coincidentally, dedicated weather satellites and radar systems were installed in the Atlantic basin and US area in the 60's and 70's. A dedicated Hurricane service in the 90's. Not shockingly, since then there has been a rise of named storms.

 

Is that because there are now more storms, and just fewer happen to make landfall, lucky us, or there has always been the same amount, but now we can track the ones that never come near land much better and get a more accurate count? That would make sense to me.

 

Further, more people are living near the coasts and there is much better media access all around the world to these events. The Hurricane that just nailed the Phillipines? It was tied for the 21st most powerful on record in the Pacific area it was in. Unluckily, it hit a third world country and devastated it, but it wasn't some unbeforeseen superstorm.

 

Now, I am sure there is a reason there are actually fewer landfalls now then there was and fewer Cat 4/5 storms now then in the early 1900's, despite scientists suggesting otherwise.

 

Interestingly, one of the points made about the flat temperature rise over the last 15 years is that much of the heat has been absorbed in the oceans, where temperature monitoring isn't as prevelant. But if that was really the case, wouldn't warmer temperatures correlate to more storms? Which isn't happening.

 

Yes, 2005 was the most active year on record. But #2 came in the in 1933. Most Major Hurricanes in any year? 1950. The records are all over the map in this regard, they aren't all since 1990 or something.

Edited December 17, 2013 by corysold

[nickman54 0]

I heard it was the gays

 

Very plausible.

[nd1baby 0]

Very plausible.

 

Um, no. It was Ming the Merciless.

 

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[piratey 6]

Interestingly, one of the points made about the flat temperature rise over the last 15 years is that much of the heat has been absorbed in the oceans, where temperature monitoring isn't as prevelant. But if that was really the case, wouldn't warmer temperatures correlate to more storms? Which isn't happening.

 

I'm just glad we where measuring the ocean temperatures over the last 200 years for credible sample size, ya know? Wait...You mean that the deep sea temperature tracking method we use, ARGO, has only been around since 2003? And before, measurements of ocean temperature were made from ships by putting a thermometer in a bucket of water drawn up from the surface? And that the data point we use was a period from 1872 to 1876 where 300 samples were taken? And after that date we didn't measure the oceans until the 1940's? WOW!

[nd1baby 0]

Actually isn't there a really interesting theory that warm and cold water recycles and circulates in the oceans every 15 years? Warm water goes down and cold water rises, something like that...

[ChickenSoup 0]

http://centerforoceansolutions.org/climate/impacts/cumulative-impacts/storm-intensity/

 

climate science suggests an increase in frequency and intensity of storms. it predicts more extreme weather events... the snow storm could fall into this pattern.

 

http://www.skepticalscience.com/extreme-weather-global-warming-intermediate.htm

 

http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Causing-Extreme-Weather.aspx

 

 

But, really, do you care?

 

Are you still here? I am going to think on your commentary while I cook a nice steak on run my wood-fed grill. The wood was from a cleared rainforest in the Amazon.

 

I made sure to pick a steak from a cow that was in the top percentile for releasing methane gas.

 

Oh, did I mention, I flew the steak in from Omaha. I checked to make sure that the delivery was in a 737 and that it lingered in a holding pattern.

 

I also had my filipino maid serve it to me with a nice salad, that I stole from a cute bunny rabbit.

 

The filipino is grateful that she is working for me instead of scraping a living from hurricane ravaged dirt.

 

I am enjoying my steak.

[corysold 0]

Actually isn't there a really interesting theory that warm and cold water recycles and circulates in the oceans every 15 years? Warm water goes down and cold water rises, something like that...

 

Yes, and climatologists believe this is also man-made, due to an increase in coastal water sports and the churning of ocean water from cruise ships, which are now larger then ever and creating larger wakes.

[ND3 0]

Actually isn't there a really interesting theory that warm and cold water recycles and circulates in the oceans every 15 years? Warm water goes down and cold water rises, something like that...

 

Well, ocean currents undergo a natural process called upwelling, which is likely what you are describing.

 

El Niño events can disrupt this cycle, but I don't recall how often that occurs.

[piratey 6]

Well, ocean currents undergo a natural process called upwelling, which is likely what you are describing.

 

El Niño events can disrupt this cycle, but I don't recall how often that occurs.

 

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[GunSlinger 28]

I could care less about this stuff but I saw this today.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/world/climate-november-temps/index.html?c=world

[piratey 6]

I could care less about this stuff but I saw this today.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/world/climate-november-temps/index.html?c=world

 

Where people live, it's colder than usual. BUT FEAR NOT! It's getting hotter in Siberia and other places where no one lives.

 

Like snowing in Australia(Keep in mind, it's summer down there right now)

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/snow-falling-in-australia-in-summer-that-is-all/story-e6frflp0-1226775945701

 

England is going to experience one of its snowiest and coldest winters ever

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/353224/Three-months-of-winter-hell-will-see-coldest-Christmas-on-record

 

I don't want to talk about what the whether has been in Michigan the last month and a half... We already have 9010inches of snow.

 

But those scientists keep finding new areas to say, "See, See!? These remote, random places are warm" Love it.

[nd1baby 0]

I could care less about this stuff but I saw this today.

 

Yeah me too.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2524770/ESA-satellite-reveals-polar-ice-INCREASED-50-year.html

[piratey 6]

Yeah me too.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2524770/ESA-satellite-reveals-polar-ice-INCREASED-50-year.html

 

This is my favorite line in your article:

Experts claim increase does not indicate a reversal in long-term trend

 

If it was less than expected, they'd be foaming at the mouth with panic. But more? Meh....

[ND3 0]

Global temperatures continue to rise, but Michigan, Australia, and England are colder than average. I guess global warming must be a farce. Come on guys, a few data points don't make a trend...

 

This was my favorite line:

 

However, the actual volume of sea ice has proven difficult to find out because it moves around and so its thickness can change.

[GunSlinger 28]

Where people live, it's colder than usual. BUT FEAR NOT! It's getting hotter in Siberia and other places where no one lives.

 

Like snowing in Australia(Keep in mind, it's summer down there right now)

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/snow-falling-in-australia-in-summer-that-is-all/story-e6frflp0-1226775945701

 

England is going to experience one of its snowiest and coldest winters ever

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/353224/Three-months-of-winter-hell-will-see-coldest-Christmas-on-record

 

I don't want to talk about what the whether has been in Michigan the last month and a half... We already have 9010inches of snow.

 

But those scientists keep finding new areas to say, "See, See!? These remote, random places are warm" Love it.

 

It snows in Michigan during the fall and winter, get outta of town! I just read the Australia snow story and it says its not uncommon to see snow during this time year, even though its the 5th day of summer there.

[piratey 6]

Global temperatures continue to rise, but Michigan, Australia, and England are colder than average. I guess global warming must be a farce. Come on guys, a few data points don't make a trend...

 

This was my favorite line:

 

France/England

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-03/europe-faces-december-cold-spell-with-gas-reserves-at-5-year-low.html

The forecasts suggest colder than average temperatures for a second month as households from the U.K. to France boost use of natural gas to heat homes.

 

Record cold and snowfall in the middle east

http://earthsky.org/earth/rare-snow-storm-hits-middle-east

A strong weather system pushed into the Middle East last week, producing snow and sending temperatures plunging downward. By the end of the week (around December 13), Jerusalem was at a standstill as heavy snow blasted the city. Cairo, Egypt recorded measurable snow for the first time in over 100 years

 

Antarctica sets record cold

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/12/10/antarctica-cold-record/3950019/

A reading of 135.8 degrees below zero was measured in Antarctica

 

China is getting extreme cold temperatures, well below the average

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1385068/elderly-people-admitted-hospital-cold-weather-continues-envelop-hong

 

 

But dammit! It's hot in Siberia!

[ND3 0]

France/England

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-03/europe-faces-december-cold-spell-with-gas-reserves-at-5-year-low.html

 

 

Record cold and snowfall in the middle east

http://earthsky.org/earth/rare-snow-storm-hits-middle-east

 

 

Antarctica sets record cold

 

 

 

China is getting extreme cold temperatures, well below the average

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1385068/elderly-people-admitted-hospital-cold-weather-continues-envelop-hong

 

 

But dammit! It's hot in Siberia!

 

Lots of places are colder than average. Lots of places are warmer than average. Some places are setting records in either extreme. This happens every year.

 

It doesn't change the fact that average global temperatures are increasing.

 

Also, just so we're on the same page (from NASA):

 

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

 

We're talking about climate change, not weather patterns.

Edited December 18, 2013 by ND3