Socialism is Evil

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Socialism is Evil

by Walter Williams (August 1, 2004)

 

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3814

[cali_domer 295]

Socialism is Evil

by Walter Williams (August 1, 2004)

 

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3814

 

Totally disagree, socialism much like Capitalism has it's problems..But they are not "evil". I have many , many family members who live " in Socialistic countries"... They love it, they love the fact that they don't have to worry about healthcare making them go broke. I have many other things they love about the system but that one seems to be the big one..My brother loves the fact that when his wife gave birth she could stay home with the baby up to a year at 80% percent pay.. That is putting value in family if you ask me... My brother who got laid of from his job was about to lose his house and the EVIL SOCIAL GOVERNMENT stepped in and put a freeze on foreclosing on the house to keep my brother and his family in home.... It is not "evil"...

 

Unchecked capitalism is EVIL period!!!! Captalism can be a system that is great just as long as there is checks and balances to insure that people aren't pulling a Madoff on us... This is coming from some one who's family lost ton's of money to renegade capitalism... So enron, global crossing and MCI are evil... The list can go on for a mile..

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Socialism vs Capitalism

 

Why Socialism is immoral.

 

http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/onprin/v1n3/thompson.html

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"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. "

-- Winston Churchill

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"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. "

-- Mark Twain (1866)

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5 Myths of Socialized Medicine

Cato Report:

 

http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv3n1.pdf

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The Myths of Single-Payer Health Care

 

 

http://freemarketcure.com/singlepayermyths.php

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The Myth that Laissez Faire Is Responsible for Our Financial Crisis

 

 

http://georgereisman.com/blog/2008/10/myth-that-laissez-faire-is-responsible.html

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Just because you find some one who agrees with you does not make it so.... I can easily find something to counter act that one... What I am trying to say does it help to call someone evil? Just not intelligent discourse to resort to name calling...On both sides of the aisle..

[cali_domer 295]

5 Myths of Socialized Medicine

Cato Report:

 

http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv3n1.pdf

 

Libertiarian right wing dribble... Give me something that is from your research?

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Fallacy to attack source. Can you refute the ideas or not?

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Agree with Cali that there are some socialist countries that enjoy a very high standard of living. Having said that, if my government can prevent my home from foreclosing, pay me while I don't work, and provide me with all these things, why work?

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Agree with Cali that there are some socialist countries that enjoy a very high standard of living. Having said that, if my government can prevent my home from foreclosing, pay me while I don't work, and provide me with all these things, why work?

 

They only did it for ninety daysfor him and he still had to pay for the house...

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They only did it for ninety daysfor him and he still had to pay for the house...

 

Sounds like a safety net which is available here in this country. Federal aid in the form of welfare or something similar?

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Ok I really don't want to take time to write it I am just going to use my paper I used for Political Science

 

 

Good defense, and I appreciate it. A few points though. The tax system in America is not regressive, it is progressive. I forget the exact figures, but the top 5% of wage earners pay somewhere around 80% of taxes, the top 2% somewhere around 50% and the bottom 50% pay nothing in income taxes. Therefore the majority of tax receipts in this country are paid by the more affluent. I am very tired of the tax system rewarding failure and punishing success. Yes I am in a higher tax bracket, but I pay more in taxes than 50% of thecountry earn in a year. That is not fair. Because of that high tax I have to struggle at times to meet my obligations just like anyone else. I agree that the Vancouver surgeries were deferred, but that does not help those who have to wait longer for neuro and vascular surgery. That does not happen here

I agree that insurance companies make way too much profit. Banning denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions and forcing them to compete for customers by allowing purchase of health insurance across state lines would help that situation. Cap out of pocket expenses so insurance has to pay more. Ban dropping a person due to high claims, expand MSA's, increase use of EMR. Tort reform must be a factor in this debate however, not to reduce actual damages but the punitive damages. Many docs have to pay 200k in malpractice insurance each year, so to cover themselves order duplicative and unneccessary tests (defensive medicine). That is a huge cost, much more than tort claims. I do not advocate not allowing an injured party to recoup actual damages, but the punitive portion is often much more. What I am saying is there has to be give and take on both sides. Neither party has the whole answer, but they do not work together, due to partisanship, to find the right answer.

Some say illegals are not part of the 47 mil. Then why was every attempt to put in legislation, language that would prevent illegals from getting coverage denied by the majority? 5 times they denied it. The supreme court has ruled in the past that illegals are entitled to all civil rights of citizens. A case will be brought, if this is passed, suing because of denial of coverage of illegals, and based on precedent, the SCOTUS will force coverage of illegals. A backdoor approach. Same with coverage of abortion, which the majority also refused to specifically deny in legislation.

Our system is not broken, it has problems, mainly due to high cost, but lets address those problems, tweak the system, not destroy it and socialize it. This is change we cannot afford. We need to look at ways to limit frivolous lawsuits, limit insurance company profits, make coverage more equitable. We cannot force young people to buy insurance if they do not want it. If they have to use the medical system, they will get a bill they will have to pay. Their problem, due to poor choice.

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Sounds like a safety net which is available here in this country. Federal aid in the form of welfare or something similar?

 

Our safety net has failed for millions... I have had 3 friends get foreclosed on in the past year and a half... 1 of them is divorced now and one is separated from his wife and staying in my spare room...:llama:

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Ok I really don't want to take time to write it I am just going to use my paper I used for Political Science

 

 

Good defense, and I appreciate it. A few points though. The tax system in America is not regressive, it is progressive. I forget the exact figures, but the top 5% of wage earners pay somewhere around 80% of taxes, the top 2% somewhere around 50% and the bottom 50% pay nothing in income taxes. Therefore the majority of tax receipts in this country are paid by the more affluent. I am very tired of the tax system rewarding failure and punishing success. Yes I am in a higher tax bracket, but I pay more in taxes than 50% of thecountry earn in a year. That is not fair. Because of that high tax I have to struggle at times to meet my obligations just like anyone else. I agree that the Vancouver surgeries were deferred, but that does not help those who have to wait longer for neuro and vascular surgery. That does not happen here

I agree that insurance companies make way too much profit. Banning denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions and forcing them to compete for customers by allowing purchase of health insurance across state lines would help that situation. Cap out of pocket expenses so insurance has to pay more. Ban dropping a person due to high claims, expand MSA's, increase use of EMR. Tort reform must be a factor in this debate however, not to reduce actual damages but the punitive damages. Many docs have to pay 200k in malpractice insurance each year, so to cover themselves order duplicative and unneccessary tests (defensive medicine). That is a huge cost, much more than tort claims. I do not advocate not allowing an injured party to recoup actual damages, but the punitive portion is often much more. What I am saying is there has to be give and take on both sides. Neither party has the whole answer, but they do not work together, due to partisanship, to find the right answer.

Some say illegals are not part of the 47 mil. Then why was every attempt to put in legislation, language that would prevent illegals from getting coverage denied by the majority? 5 times they denied it. The supreme court has ruled in the past that illegals are entitled to all civil rights of citizens. A case will be brought, if this is passed, suing because of denial of coverage of illegals, and based on precedent, the SCOTUS will force coverage of illegals. A backdoor approach. Same with coverage of abortion, which the majority also refused to specifically deny in legislation.

Our system is not broken, it has problems, mainly due to high cost, but lets address those problems, tweak the system, not destroy it and socialize it. This is change we cannot afford. We need to look at ways to limit frivolous lawsuits, limit insurance company profits, make coverage more equitable. We cannot force young people to buy insurance if they do not want it. If they have to use the medical system, they will get a bill they will have to pay. Their problem, due to poor choice.

 

Disagree with some of this but Agree with a lot of it. Not bad.

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Our safety net has failed for millions... I have had 3 friends get foreclosed on in the past year and a half... 1 of them is divorced now and one is separated from his wife and staying in my spare room...:llama:

 

I realize this and it sucks. Unfortunately the people getting the government help are the not the ones that needed most. You could have paid off 90% of all mortgages in America with the stimulus and that would have helped the economy. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with paying off ALL these mortgages because it would have rewarded irresponsibility, but that would have been better than the wasteful spending we have now. The best solution-Cut taxes and spending, IMO.

[cali_domer 295]

Disagree with some of this but Agree with a lot of it. Not bad.

 

Thanks, I will say this I am "Liberal", But I hate the label of liberaland conservative because IMO it is a tool that is used by people in power to keep us divided. So I really try to find common ground to a solution... Neither side has all the answers, I am as unhappy with Obama as anyone. I was also severely unhappy with Bush. So where does that leave us as a nation?

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I realize this and it sucks. Unfortunately the people getting the government help are the not the ones that needed most. You could have paid off 90% of all mortgages in America with the stimulus and that would have helped the economy. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with paying off ALL these mortgages because it would have rewarded irresponsibility, but that would have been better than the wasteful spending we have now. The best solution-Cut taxes and spending, IMO.

 

I agree with 96.7% of what you said....