ndomer4 532 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Facts -Notre Dame is going to finish in the top 11 for the third straight year. -Ian Book is 19-3 as a starter. -only 5 qbs have accounted for more points than Book (4 in the playoff). -ND is 33-6 the last 3 seasons. Opinions -Tony Jones should be invited back for a fifth year. -Kmet should enter the draft. -Clark Lea needs a massive pay raise. -Ian Book is the most underrated ND player of recent memory. -ND is a perennial top 10 program again. Not as doom and gloom as we all thought after the Michigan game. There’s still room to improve but I like where the program is heading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 248 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Facts -Notre Dame is going to finish in the top 11 for the third straight year. -Ian Book is 19-3 as a starter. -only 5 qbs have accounted for more points than Book (4 in the playoff). -ND is 33-6 the last 3 seasons. Opinions -Tony Jones should be invited back for a fifth year. -Kmet should enter the draft. -Clark Lea needs a massive pay raise. -Ian Book is the most underrated ND player of recent memory. -ND is a perennial top 10 program again. Not as doom and gloom as we all thought after the Michigan game. There’s still room to improve but I like where the program is heading. I agree except for Book being underrated. I think he’s valued appropriately. The Michigan game was disgraceful, but it was 1 game. There’s no doubt over the past 3 years ND has established itself as a consistent Top 10 team. Of course, ND shouldn’t settle for this, but you’ve got to respect what Kelly has built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltssb 1,044 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I like how ND is playing so I won’t be all doom and gloom. But, ND is playing a 5 loss Iowa St team and still has no major wins to rest their hat on. BUT all those those stats are nice to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketsan 771 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Top 11 is a thing? Such a Notre Dame fan thing to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndomer4 532 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 Top 11 is a thing? Such a Notre Dame fan thing to say... I’m sure if I said top 10 someone would say we were 11th in 2017. Always gotta be aware of the negative nancies around here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAFA03_HUGENDFAN 242 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Top 11? The only teams we jump is the looser of UM/Bama, Utah, UF, and Auburn. That is assuming the last three loose to lower ranked teams. I don’t see us jumping the looser of UW/Ducks and/or UGA/Baylor. At best we get to 11 but most likely we move up to 14 or stay at 15 and Iowa jumps us based on their more impressive victory over USC. It was a good seasons and hope they keep it up next year but UW, Clemson, USC (Their O is still going to be tough to stop). Going to say another 11-2 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndmike88 136 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Going 10-2 is nice but losing to top ranked teams season after season is getting old. ND will not get any respect until they beat the big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend 576 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Fact - passing from the two yard line on 3rd down was retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Nice list, sort of. Fact: You can't call yourself a perennial top 10 team when you've only finished in the top 10 once in the last 7 seasons. Is perennial top 12 team a thing? Ian Book is fine, he just isn't great and that matters if you want to be a perennial top 5 team. No coincidence all the best teams usually have QBs who get drafted high or are elite college type QBs. Book is good, but he's neither of those. Tony Jones is a great 2nd or 3rd back, just doesn't have the in the hole explosion of a true #1. Hopefully he can be thunder to the Tyree lightning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I’m sure if I said top 10 someone would say we were 11th in 2017. Always gotta be aware of the negative nancies around here... Why is stating the correct ranking being negative? ND finished 11th. Had they been better they would have finished higher. In 2016 ND was 4-8, even though they played like a 9 win team statistically. But the fact is, they still won 4 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndomer4 532 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) Nice list, sort of. Fact: You can't call yourself a perennial top 10 team when you've only finished in the top 10 once in the last 7 seasons. Is perennial top 12 team a thing? Ian Book is fine, he just isn't great and that matters if you want to be a perennial top 5 team. No coincidence all the best teams usually have QBs who get drafted high or are elite college type QBs. Book is good, but he's neither of those. Tony Jones is a great 2nd or 3rd back, just doesn't have the in the hole explosion of a true #1. Hopefully he can be thunder to the Tyree lightning. Is there something wrong with being a perennial top 12 team? Only a grumpy old ND fan is going to complain about something as minuscule as this. Have fun being miserable, while myself and others will enjoy a successful season. First time winning 11+ games in back to back seasons since the 80’s and people still complaining... Edited December 28, 2019 by ndomer4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish 62 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I don't think this is a good time to be critical.... 11-2 third double digit win season in a row a strong recruiting class given the state of the program "NEAR COMPLETE IRRELEVANCE" when Kelly arrived... You have to give credit where credit is due... yes we have come up short on big wins ….but that gives us something to shoot for..... we completely outmatched this iowa team the worst pummeling in years for them... season gets a B+ from me Kelly deserves to be happy with what he is doing here.....Its not easy for a little school like us to compete in big time football this day and age We got punished for no conference in both the ratings and the bowl selection. That may be a problem going forward but overall we should be happy with the state of football at ND! aloha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 4,715 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I don't think this is a good time to be critical.... 11-2 third double digit win season in a row a strong recruiting class given the state of the program "NEAR COMPLETE IRRELEVANCE" when Kelly arrived... You have to give credit where credit is due... yes we have come up short on big wins ….but that gives us something to shoot for..... we completely outmatched this iowa team the worst pummeling in years for them... season gets a B+ from me Kelly deserves to be happy with what he is doing here.....Its not easy for a little school like us to compete in big time football this day and age We got punished for no conference in both the ratings and the bowl selection. That may be a problem going forward but overall we should be happy with the state of football at ND! aloha Agreed. That's where I am as well. Happy New Year, Hawaii!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Fence 166 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Opinion - thank goodness we have Chase Claypool. The guy is a monster and will be greatly missed next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Is there something wrong with being a perennial top 12 team? Only a grumpy old ND fan is going to complain about something as minuscule as this. Have fun being miserable, while myself and others will enjoy a successful season. First time winning 11+ games in back to back seasons since the 80’s and people still complaining... I'm one of the biggest optimists on the board and far from miserable. I'm thrilled ND is finally back to being a respectable program. But they also need to take the next step. I don't like assigning teams as perennial Top Whatever. Way too subjective. ND has beaten just about every team they've been expected to beat over the last three years. That's awesome. But they've also lost to every team they were expected to lose to. ND beat LSU in the 2017 bowl game. LSU is now the best team in the country. Why can't ND make that same jump? ND is a really good team. I want them to be great. And yes, I really enjoy watching them be really good. I also really enjoy watching them when their bad. I just rather they'd be elite, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish 62 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Happy New Year Faith! aloha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 248 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'm one of the biggest optimists on the board and far from miserable. I'm thrilled ND is finally back to being a respectable program. But they also need to take the next step. I don't like assigning teams as perennial Top Whatever. Way too subjective. ND has beaten just about every team they've been expected to beat over the last three years. That's awesome. But they've also lost to every team they were expected to lose to. ND beat LSU in the 2017 bowl game. LSU is now the best team in the country. Why can't ND make that same jump? ND is a really good team. I want them to be great. And yes, I really enjoy watching them be really good. I also really enjoy watching them when their bad. I just rather they'd be elite, that's all. Don’t get things confused, once Burrow leaves, LSU will revert back to their mean. They’ll still be a really good program, but won’t be playing for Titles every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndomer4 532 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'm one of the biggest optimists on the board and far from miserable. I'm thrilled ND is finally back to being a respectable program. But they also need to take the next step. I don't like assigning teams as perennial Top Whatever. Way too subjective. ND has beaten just about every team they've been expected to beat over the last three years. That's awesome. But they've also lost to every team they were expected to lose to. ND beat LSU in the 2017 bowl game. LSU is now the best team in the country. Why can't ND make that same jump? ND is a really good team. I want them to be great. And yes, I really enjoy watching them be really good. I also really enjoy watching them when their bad. I just rather they'd be elite, that's all. Cant argue with any of this, however there are obvious reasons ND can’t make the jump LSU has made. ND will never be able to get the athletes at LSU right now because 90% wouldn’t qualify for ND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunSlinger 28 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'm one of the biggest optimists on the board and far from miserable. I'm thrilled ND is finally back to being a respectable program. But they also need to take the next step. I don't like assigning teams as perennial Top Whatever. Way too subjective. ND has beaten just about every team they've been expected to beat over the last three years. That's awesome. But they've also lost to every team they were expected to lose to. ND beat LSU in the 2017 bowl game. LSU is now the best team in the country. Why can't ND make that same jump? ND is a really good team. I want them to be great. And yes, I really enjoy watching them be really good. I also really enjoy watching them when their bad. I just rather they'd be elite, that's all. When was the last time ND had a QB like Burrows. The guy is a college stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Cant argue with any of this, however there are obvious reasons ND can’t make the jump LSU has made. ND will never be able to get the athletes at LSU right now because 90% wouldn’t qualify for ND. I don't know. ND's defense is just as good, probably better than LSU's. They are a little better at the skill positions, but ND has a 5* WR and Tyree coming in. That gap is starting to shrink. Bottom line is ND needs a 1st round NFL QB to win a title. That's about the same for every team sans Alabama. When they get that, whoever it may be, they have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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