blarney_stank

It's hard to know who to blast here. Obviously there is some level of guilt by the players involved. What we don't know and may never know is did ND go overboard in the punishment for some minor offense. There have been examples on this board of where ND hasn't handled academic and other cases appropriately in the past so we don't know if they handled this appropriately or not. I tend to believe both sides have issues. The players certainly are to blame but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think ND made an example here and was probably harsher in some of the instances than they needed to be.

No, thank you for getting the thread starting and prompting the thought.

So I decided to look at TO Margin instead of just total TOs and here's what the numbers tell us. +4 - 3-0 +3 - 3-0 +2 - 8-0 +1 - 10-1 (only loss coming at home to #4 Stanford in Kelly's first year) +0 - 7-1 (only loss coming @ #11 Stanford last year) - 1 - 6-3 (losses coming @Michigan last year, #2 Bama in MNC, @#7 Stanford in 2011) - 2 - 2-5 (losses coming @#12 Michigan in 2011, FSU Bowl game, @#14 MSU in 2010, Navy in 2010, #24 Tulsa in 2010) - 3 - 2-4 (losses coming #6 OK, @Pitt last year, #6 USC in 2011, Mich in 2010) - 4 - 1-0 (Syracuse victory this year) - 5 - 0-1 (S.Florida in 2011) Overall 24-1 with a positive turnover margin 31-2 with even or better turnover margin 37-5 when -1 or better 5-10 when -2 or worse When losing the turnover battle we are: 6-6 @ home 5-4 on the road 1-2 at neutral sites (Syracuse victory this year is counted as neutral site)

I think the difference with the Golson situation was that it was his second academic misconduct violation. His first never came to light until after he was suspended for his second. In the case of DD the only thing we're aware of is his suspension for poor grades. So I think they're different.

That may be true SD. I'm not sure how poor grades would be factored in. Did he have a first violation of academic misconduct because I don't recall one.

I don't think Davaris was suspended for academic misconduct in the spring. He was suspended for not making grades. That's a completely different thing and either Swarbrick or Jenkins addressed it in the original presser.

That's the route they took against Rice. I'd like to see a few more games before i determine if this is the route they WILL take. Maybe you've seen enough to already reach a conclusion but i havent. It's amazing to me how absolute people can be about the team and players after watching a single game. The data points are important but let's not forget it was game 1. We will know a lot more after Michigan.

I'm nervous about this game but more because it's Michigan than anything else. This game is almost always tough regardless of talent or ranking. That said, Michigan and ND both have some talent and playmakers but both also have some holes. I dont know if we can take much away from them beating a horrible App. St. team. They have issues on the lines on both sides of the ball. Yes, we have question marks on defense that they will probably exploit but let's not act like they are a good team because they've done nothing to prove that yet.

I agree that we should all be proud of him for what he accomplished and the abilities he brings to the team. I will continue to root hard for him to succeed but as others have said, he is lacking the physicality to be a complete MLB at this level. This is both good and bad when I say he's similar for the defense as to what Rees was for the offense last year.

Agreed D Fence. It's fun to see all the old names pop up. Now where is Domeanddomer?

Whats up rocket and don? It's been a while. Hey Don, who's the girl in your pic?

If it does mean yes to somebody in the twitterverse, what is he saying yes to? Unless we know the question he's answering, we don't know anything.

Cleared doesn't necessarily mean innocent. There may have been some evidence of wrong doing. In my mind cleared means that the punishment has been rendered or not and that they are clear to rejoin football activities. Based on what Kelly said regarding this going through the honor code process, my guess is that there was some type of punishment similar to the following: 1. Failed the paper and/or the class. 2. Time served away from the football team. 3. Both 1 and 2 above. In any of those cases, the incident could be closed and they could return to the football team. As I said, that would mean there was some guilt, something was found, they weren't innocent but they are now cleared without further disciplinary action to return to football. That's just an educated guess assuming the current rumors are accurate.

Hey Piratey, is it all players or just some? No need to divulge your source but I'm just curious on the details. Also, have you heard when they might make it formal?

Hey Guys ... Been a while since I posted too. I check in periodically but I've been super busy with a start up I work for. Hope all is well and I'll check in and post more often. Stank