Notre Dame removes Columbus

[Jim2Dokes 3]

The world must be such an angry place for you.

 

I’m personally happy as hell. The world is not pretty though and neither is some history that has been fabricated over the years. If we know how ****** it is a few of us can speak up and make it better. We must not glorify people who are evil.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Jim2Dokes

[Kelly Gruene 26]

I guess I need to quit being so surprised that the anonymity of the internet makes it so easy to say such terrible things to and about each other. It seems that respectful discourse is not possible on the internet.

I wish the moderators of DomerDomain would step in and put an end to these threads when the personal attacks begin. These types of attacks never accomplish a thing. They never make the attacked acquiesce nor do they make the attacker look good. No one ever wins these arguments and everyone looks ridiculous.

Please please please lock this thread.

[irishwavend 571]

And they hate you. You support Hitler? Just bring it out. Let it come out you love hitler. Columbus was an the idiot version, you love him and you love hitler. Just let it all out you pos.

 

Uh huh... Exactly. You're analysis is too simple because you can't comprehend or deal with human history. You can't rewrite it no matter how hard you try just because the actions of the past haven't "aged well." I'm sure whatever bs you support has its own history of brutality. I mean, you act like a Russian troll, so maybe we should talk about Stalin or Mao and their implementation of socialist, liberal policies. Maybe we should talk about Venezuela or Cuba. Hell, maybe we should talk about our allies in Europe - Britain and France - who each have their own brutal histories.

 

The reality is that history has been brutal until relatively recently. Tell me a nation who didn't brutally espouse or evangelize its values and impose them upon cultures who were defeated through bloodshed. There is not one that you can cite. You just need to quit curling up in ball about it and under understand that brutality and hypocrisy are par for the course when it comes to the evolution of civilization.

 

Are we going to remove everything Dr. King stood for because he plagiarized his doctoral these at Boston University? Are we going ignore that Werner Von Braun started our space program since he was a former Nazi? Are we going to remove George Washington from everything because he owned slaves? Maybe we should remove Thomas Edison from the history books for electrocuting animals to death to prove AC power was too dangerous? Let's remove Winston Churchill for starving 3 million folks in India. Let's erase Mother Theresa because she opposed women's equality. Heck, let's wipe out Lincoln's legacy since he often used the N word - we can probably add every founding father or American of note through the 1800's and early 1900's to that one... Henry Ford is out the window because his business openly supported the Nazis and he was not shy about his hatred of Jewish people.

 

History is full of examples of people who influenced the course of history and progress, but whose actions, thoughts, and views do not age well in our current society. However, that's been human reality for millenia and you simply can comprehend or acknowledge that all of these unsavory things are woven into the fabric of human history. Our views, today, are the culmination of all of that learning and progress, but our civilized views have had to evolve just as our understanding of science and technology have had to evolve. You can't have and iphone without black and white television or Atari. To throw everything out the window because you can't handle it today is simply unrealistic and shows a real lack of understanding the world in general.

 

Have you considered what the world would be like if you removed all of these people from it? We would be hundreds of years behind where we are. Our prosperity, today, which is the direct result of ALL these offensive people has been cultivated by the accumulation of all these people who have changed history. If these people had not changed the course of human history, regardless of the brutality that occurred simultaneously, we would be hundreds or thousands of years behind.

 

Columbus helped open the gateway to America which created an avenue for persecuted peoples from Europe to escape and bring new ideas of tolerance, regardless how basic or hypocritically applied, and allowed those ideas to flourish. Those ideas gradually turned into the United States which has fought to protect or establish those ideas for other peoples. Look at Freedom of Navigation. The U.S. established its navy to fight those dictators and bullies who charged you to trade on the high seas or else be sunk. The U.S. not only established its navy to protect itself, but used its navy to protect everyone else for the same reasons. You can see this most recently with our conflicts with China in the South China Sea.

 

Everything that has occurred in the past has pushed us forward to this moment, now, and you have to take all of it with the good AND the bad. You can't just ignore it. If Columbus doesn't discover America, some other nasty nation would have and would likely have been just as brutal if not worse. Hell, its not like the indigenous people were saints themselves, either.

 

So, my entire rant is about people like you who can't see past their noses and understand the world. Everything has to fit neatly in your little box where mottos, hashtags, and pop culture rule the day, not a true, in-depth understanding of humanity, history, or the web of interactions and priorities that have ultimately culminated into our modern world. It really is a mark of weakness to NOT accept our past and recognize the impact on humanity that certain people have had.

 

But hey, James, pick your typical liberal jab and throw it at me - I'm either a racist or a nazi when you can't provide any sort of substantive rebuttal to an argument with merit. Oh wait, you have a new one - I like genocide. I'm a regular Idi Amin... But, if I'm Idi, you're Pol Pot.

[irishwavend 571]

I guess I need to quit being so surprised that the anonymity of the internet makes it so easy to say such terrible things to and about each other. It seems that respectful discourse is not possible on the internet.

I wish the moderators of DomerDomain would step in and put an end to these threads when the personal attacks begin. These types of attacks never accomplish a thing. They never make the attacked acquiesce nor do they make the attacker look good. No one ever wins these arguments and everyone looks ridiculous.

Please please please lock this thread.

 

Unfortunately, I think this nation is in a soft civil war. Civil discourse is often one-sided and allows the other side's point of view to continually creep towards its direction if you don't fight against it with the same tactics. Civility is partially what lost the British the Revolutionary War... Liberalism is truly damaging this nation with its hypocrisy, labeling, sensitivities, and general inability to be accountable and deal with reality. You have to fight it tooth and nail.

[Incurorish 0]

I’m sure Germany covered some nice murals of hitler. Get over it. If Columbus wrote some books and the books were being banned that would be a 1st amendment issues. This is a private business making a business decision that they don’t want to glorify a 9 year old year sex slaver and genocider on their walls. They are not that beautiful and he is not revered and defiantly should not be. Do you revere him? Maybe you revere the child molesting priests too. I am catholic but have to seriously consider every time I step in the church, would I go to Jimmy Johns if 1000+ of their employees molested children? So I now avoid that place unless holidays. Still love Jesus though.

 

You need to see a shrink. Your world view is truly disturbing.