NDBadaBing

He's actually one of the more affable head coaches to deal with, too. Lends much more insight than most guys. And certainly doesn't come across personally as overly arrogant. I just think hardcore fans of teams have a weirdly odd obsession with overly analyzing everything the head coach of the team they live and die with says or does.

It's funny how you criticize BK for not being a warm and fuzzy person, yet when you are asked a simple request you resort to kind of a F---ed up response. You seem like a good dude. And I mean that sincerely. I wasn't asking you as an A-hole, I was honestly asking you for some examples of players who spoke poorly about BK. I'd absolutely defer to those examples too. Yet your response was to tell me to drop dead.

I've talked to plenty of former ND players who speak highly of him. And by all means, link us all up to the guys who speak poorly about him.

Agreed 100 percent

Having met and dealt with him on a handful of occasions - and plenty others in his exact vocation - I completely disagree with this. As in COMPLETELY. So I have to ask you, exactly how have you come to such a specific conclusion about him? I'm assuming there has been consistent interaction between you and he? Or verifiable supporting proof from people who have met, dealt and worked with him? I'm not trying to be a jerk. But you are saying something in such a way that you've had personal interactions with him.

Oh boy, here comes Mel Kiper chiming in with his brilliant analysis

Definitely a fair call.

He was a stud, and highly productive while basically playing Day 1 (and out of position and with multiple DC's and let's be honest, not a ton of help in front of him) Fast. Tough. Smart. Productive

Just pulling nonsense out of your butt while ignoring the overwhelming data that obliterates your flawed, lazy argument. BK has shown zero hesitancy to start the player with less time invested in the program. EG beat out Rees. Malik beat out EG. At least be man enough to say: "You know what, I swung and missed on this one."

not. Sure. If. Serious.

There is so much wrong with all this I'm not even sure where to begin.

So much win here.

With all due respect, but he's obviously got bigger concerns about this decision than whatever "excitement and expectation" his addition to a recruiting class will create. As long as he shows up Day 1 for practice/classes - at whatever school he chooses - is there really any net negative to him prolonging the decision?

I think the point the poster is making is that JJ and Clay simply prove recruiting is an inexact science, and that argument is bigger and more important than the numbers indicating the percentages of All-Americans that are delivered from the various star rankings. Of greater importance is that productive players can emerge from across the board, and it's ludicrous for fans to dismiss the potential of a productive player simply because he's a walk-on. J.J. and Clay are indeed lottery ticket examples. But there are examples on plenty of teams - good teams too - of good, productive players starting out as walk ons or low-end star ranking.

As a LONG time fan my take is ND's consistently played a difficult schedule and that's always been reflected in the record. But somewhere along the line - probably after some really super down years of Ty/Dave - some ND fans remembered yesteryear a whole lot different than I did and started thinking it was 12-0 11-1 or you are a dog!!!!! I never remembered it being that way. I've always been cool with consistently being a top program and being in the NC hunt every few years. But sometimes circumstances (injuries bad luck) getting in the way. It's the 5-6 and 6-5 regular seasons in which ND is just outclassed talent wise, program wise, that I won't tolerate. (TY/Charlie/Dave/Jerry) The Kelly run has actually been very good/acceptable.