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17 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Again, I was talking about composite top 10 at position.

He's not that. He might end up that way, he's not now. 

I know what you are saying.

I'm saying thats irrelevant.  He's a top 100 composite player

That level of player will win You NCs and being get paid on sundays

After the top 20 or so guys.  Theres really no difference between player 30 and 80

He's a big time player that you can win big with.  That's all that matters when you get on campus

1 hour ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Sorry, just not going to take a victory lap. He's two years, and many ratings updates, away from being on campus. 

Jordan Johnson was a top 10 guy... sigh. 

Has nothing to do with a victory lap. 

You wanted one of those top top guys and and we have one in the 24 class

1 hour ago, OKelleyIrish said:

I, like most, use the 247 composite. 

Not being dismissive, but when I said we needed top 10 O skill players, I was talking composite guys. 

He's good, love the get. Hope he moves up. Long way to go. 

A lot of sites haven't updated recently.  

247 has.  And they are usual the best individual site

Either way he's a top 100 player on Composite and 247.

That'll work for NCs and getting to play on Sundays

6 hours ago, DamshaBua said:

I didn't know that and like hearing that. My concern is line play on both sides. I haven't looked, but I'm sure ND's O-Line is ranked highly. But whenever they go against an Alabama, Clemson kind of team (which tOSU is), they get moved around. Same on the defensive side. The gap isn't as vast as it was and recruiting can close it further, but for the most part, when they show side-by-sides on the TV, ND looks physically smaller at most positions. 

Our DL has held up more than well since 17 against the top teams imo. Especially against Clemson. Our DL outplays their OL. And our DL held up fine against Georgia both games.  17 our DL outplayed them

Our OL in big games is a different story. They have not showed up as well as our DL has

4 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

Not sure where the Bauer hate is coming from. As good as Bertrand has looked, he lacks speed and has gotten beaten to the edge a fair number of times versus athletic qbs. Those concerns aren’t present with Bauer on the field. 

Who is hating on Bauer?

But if we're going to talk on Bertrand, let's talk on Bauer.  Hes a 5th year senior and still hasnt nailed down a starting spot. He couldn't beat out an undrafted free agent. He overruns a lot of plays and lacks discipline.

Hes a better athlete than JD so I hope he cleans up the other part of his game. That would be great.  But he hasn't done it in 4 years

10 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

He's #16 WR, so doesn't really fit that top 10 group right now. Long time before things are final for 2024, so hope he gets there. 

Wingo would fit that criteria now. 

Ranked 10th wr by 247. 

Ranked in the top 90 in the Composite

That will work every Saturday and even on Sundays

6 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Stars aren't everything, but they are something....

We need a few high star, top 10 at position, type of O skill players to surround Carr with. 

I'm comfortable with OL and TE, they've never been our problem. But need some elite early starting studs at WR and RB. 

Like Cam Williams

2 hours ago, tneun89 said:

I wouldn't be so sure on Bauer. It'll be him or Bertrand at Mike.

I think those guys will get snaps on ST, but Kollie is behind Kiser, who the coaches love, and Junior is behind Betrand and Bauer. Only so many snaps to go around.

Kollie is behind Liufau. Kollie is playing Will, not rover.  

Yeah I expect Bertrand to start and Bauer to play nickel and dime. Also get snaps but behind Bertrand at Mike

Will - Liufau

Mike - Bertrand 

Rover - Kiser

Key backups: Bauer, Kollie, Junior

1 hour ago, Big23Head said:

 

 

We need him

2 hours ago, tneun89 said:

Brown has supposedly been one of the most impressive players during off-season works outs and in camp so far. Yes, he had a bad game against Oklahoma State - so did the entire defense - but he played well after Hamilton got hurt. I think he will be the starter opposite Joseph for Ohio State and likely all season. The rest of our safeties all have issues - Griffith has never lived up to his recruiting hype and seems afraid of contact; Henderson has speed but not sure how great he is in coverage - he credited Brown for telling him where to be when he got his INT against UVA; Watts is still learning the position and seems very physical - great agains the run but how is he in coverage? 

I think the LB rotation will be interesting. It seems like 4 guys will get the lions share of reps - Bauer, Bertrand, Kiser, and Liufau. The coaches love Bauer and Bertrand. I don't see anyone replacing those two. Kiser will hardly come off the field. Expecting big things from Liufau if he can stay healthy.

Bauer won't be starting

I think Prince and Junior will earn some snaps

2 hours ago, tneun89 said:

Tom Loy flipped his crystal pick away from ND to Clemson for Hanafin, FWIW. This supports the rumors out there that this one has been slipping away from ND. 

That hurts

19 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

You should revisit the conversation/thread lol. You predicted him (Brown) as a backup (a 3 or 4), and you came off as Henderson and Watts being locks. Excluding Joseph who wasn't hear at the time, Brown is a 1 right now. No big deal, rosters are fluid. Guys get better and develop. I like Henderson a lot, and also think Watts has a high ceiling too. Wouldn't be shocked if Henderson got a start vs some specific teams. I think Watts will get plenty of rotational time. My way too early prediction (not adamant) is that Henderson and Watts are the starters in game one next season. 

Again, seems to me (it's OK you disagree), that Harry is locked in at G. Both starting Gs are leading team exercises. Both have been mentioned as Captain candidates by the talking heads. But who knows. But if Harry is locked at starting Gs, then that means he's likely aligned his G depth like most teams... and that would suggest LG2 is the 3rd overall OG in the pecking order. We'll see. A lot can happen in 4 weeks. Nothing would really surprise me. But like I've said, I trust Harry however it turns out. 

I just said I predicted him to be the 3rd behind watts and Henderson. I dont have to go back and read it. They are still much more athletic than him but he is dependable and they haven't taken a jump yet.  It would be best for the D if they did because they offer more athleticism. 

I dont think there is anyway they are going to tell an 8 game starter at guard he has no chance to compete for a spot this year. Thats why they moved him to right for fall camp. Thats my opinion and I believe it to be correct.

Either way I think we are setup well on the 2nd team at guard regardless of who is 3 or 4 at this point. 

Hoping Baker can take a huge step so he can be the number 3 tackle and play if there is an injury to either guy. 

12 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

You're assuming Lugg is in a battle to start. Some others might assume Harry is set. I've read nothing since fall practice started that suggest Lugg is going to lose the job. I have though red that Lugg, along with Patterson, were team leads at warmups..... That doesn't mean he'll keep his job, but would be odd to me for Harry to tag anyone to lead anything, that wasn't secure at his spot. 

And not saying everyone gets all their picks right. But you acted like I was out of my mind when I predicted Brown as the starter for this season. 

No I didnt. I thought he'd be 3rd man behind Henderson and Watts.

He still might be 3rd but behind Joseph and Henderson. Right now he's 2nd.  Hes solid but the other 2 havent taken the jump I thought they would yet

I think Lugg will start but he's not locked in like Patterson. And if he struggles he'd have a quicker hook than Patterson.  That's why Kristofic being over there tells me a lot.  There's zero chance Patterson is in a battle at all

12 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

IIRC, you were adamant late last year that Henderson and Watts would be starters this year at safety, and Brown would be a back up. Henderson is currently #2 behind Brown, and Watts is a #3. I like both Henderson and Watts. I think they'll likely be starters next season. But you missed on your prediction. Sounds like you've changed your tune. 

LOL... it's your opinion that Spindler is #4. Nothing more.

Sure Patterson is a lock. That really means zero in terms of impact to Spindler.

I'll say it again... If you're not aware, most teams, NFL included.... place their 3rd best OG at LG2. And they'll be next man in at G regardless of side, and regardless of how entrenched the LG1 is.... .

For example... The Colts had Reed as LG2 behind Nelson (most entrenched LG starter in the league) on the left side. Fries RG#2 behind Glow. Guess who got more reps at both LG and RG when they needed a G....... It was Reed.  In short, label, or placement, doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does.

Because Lugg is in a battle to start. He'll probably win it but not a lock to start.  Kristofic was moved to battle for a starting spot

Yes I changed my mind as of now because of performance. Now it's a Brown v Henderson battle. They outperformed the other 2 in spring and so far in fall practice.

I dont know anyone who predicted every starter correct for the next season a year prior, do you ?

9 hours ago, Big23Head said:

 

15 as of now

That's huge

1 hour ago, Big23Head said:

The 3 commits from this week are early enrollees. 

Good news.   How many total from this class.  Seems like it's going to be a lot

39 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said:

No doubt Patterson was good last season. But let's not act like Lugg sucked. And he's moved inside this season which better suits him. 

As far as PFF is concerned, I have a feeling you'll think anything is trash that doesn't agree with your take.

You were just as adamant late last year about Brown not being starter level. 

Your logic is failing here. You make assumptions based on Spindler moving to LG3 , which is generally considered the 3rd best OG on the team (while you assume it's so Kristofic can compete for the starting RG job). But now Spindler needs to worry about Schrauth? Schrauth is at RG now, so by your logic perhaps it's Kristofic that's competing with Schrauth for the #2 RG spot... 

I don't get caught up in labels. I think Spindler and Schrauth will both be starting next season. 

I'm comparing Brown to Griffith and who we have right now.  Is he good enough to start at Alabama, nope. They have better safeties.  I'm comparing him to who we have. Brown is a starter for us

Lugg wasnt good last year. Period.  He got pushed back so many times, he got blown past, he got no push in the run game. He got moved inside because hes not good enough at tackle and is a better fit at guard.  If pff thought he was good last year, what everyone says about them is true, they are terrible at rating players

He is far from a lock like Patterson.  Patterson is a top 2 rd pick, hopefully Lugg can get drafted late or stick on in FA. 

If Spindler gets moved over to RG this spring that will mean he's pushing to start and has passed up Kristofic. If he doesnt, he is still behind

Schrauth and Spindler may be starters next year, who knows right now.  We're taking this season. Spindler is the number 4 guard right now.  That could change quick but that's the way it is

56 minutes ago, Big23Head said:

I believe that was as LB as the main reasoning. I can’t remember 100%

Hes ranked as an athlete and in his film analysis they say WR, S, LB they project him to

Clemson and ND are recruiting him at WR

11 minutes ago, Big23Head said:

It seems like ND but why no announcement. I think Clemson is chipping away slowly. I could see it either way. But I do feel ND could replace Hanafin with an equal talented WR by years end. 

Hes really talented and underrated.  247 bumped him way up and he may get another one

4 minutes ago, Big23Head said:

I was coming to post something similar. My 3 main keys now are:

1.  Keep the current class intact

2.  Land Love

3. Take the 2-3 best players available, QB, WR, Edge rusher

You dont seem confident on Hanafin. 

While IB thinks we still lead

3 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

Yeah I’m starting to question PFF’s grading system because there is no way Lugg was our best lineman last year. If my memory serves me correct, he struggled more than anyone down the stretch. 

Cain Madden was the worst.  Then Lugg

3 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

Well it’s more than being athletic… I’m only going off what I’ve seen in practice and his HS tape, but Walters is plenty athletic. Watts is forsure more athletic but we have no clue if he can tackle, get off blocks, take good angles, etc….

 

IMO you move Watts back to WR with the lack of depth there. 

We've seen more of Watts than Walters in games and Watts looked good last year in limited time

I dont think Walters has made any noise yet.  Hopefully he turns it on.  

We will need both next year

Now its all out on Love, Hanafin and Minchey

3 key guys left on offensive board

6 hours ago, NDhoosier said:

That is a little interesting. I believe ND was thought to be a major player for him. Oh well, still early for the 2024 class

What do you mean?

They put in crystal balls for Notre Dame

8 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Yup, like I said earlier, Patterson and Lugg gone. I see both Schraub and Spindler overtaking Kristofic (assuming he stays) for starter rolls next season. But it's way early. I just think Kristofic has hit his ceiling, and Schraub and Spindler are still young. 

No player got their ceiling under Quinn

Lot of growth for all OL