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nicely put...

rah,rah, rah

Oom-pa-pa

Maslow's triangle done in rainbow... paging Dr. Freud! I'm pretty sure we can tie this in with the Elton John/Jesus thread now.

Aw, your feewins are hurt because I shot your argument down.....

this is the second day in a row now where i am going to simply start ignoring you,

Just checked and all you have to do is click on User CP and you can put my name on "ignore."

Hope this helps.

i wanna be self actualized...

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jon, he will always get in the last word. the sooner you realize that, better the chance of obtaining self actualization...............;)

He's got to go through Maslow's hierarchy of needs triangle to reach that level.

ok... you didnt say that, nor did i direct the original post to it... i attributed it to you after your second post defending it... sorry i cant imagine how that could have happened... some of use are not here keeping score... this is the second day in a row now where i am going to simply start ignoring you, congrats... you have raised the level of debate yet again.

One last word, I wasn't debating you. I was pointing out that you made a back-handed remark to another poster, who I'm sure didn't appreciate being piled on by you and two others. People should feel free to post what they want without being belittled. That poster is probably now reluctant to post other thoughts because of the way you and others responded.

Please ignore me from now on. Isn't there an "ignore poster" function at DD? That way you wouldn't see any of my posts and we would both be content.

if i had cared to make them to the poster in question... one might conclude that i was not dignifying the disdainful post with a direct response.

 

or you could just lighten the F#@% up...

Just admit it. You were wrong and you know it.

ah, your correlation between some random early century progressive and the second world war... yeah... you deserved the grief you got for that... that was neither pertinent to the discussion at hand nor particularly believable as a thesis.

This would have been a much better comment to have made directly to the poster rather than the belittling ones you made indirectly.

It is very clear that the original premise of this post was a confusion between the anti-competitive actions of a monopoly and the violations of individual liberties in a socialist governing body. if pointing that out is belittling... consider me guilty.

Reread your responses to other folks who took pot shots at the poster.

Guilty as charged!!!!

yep, this has gone from people being confused between socialism and a monopoly, to that... magnificent work folks.

Give the poster a break! He/she is entitled to his/her opinion without being belittled for it.

If everyone pays an extra 5-10% so everyone has the opportunity to better themselves through a higher education I have no problem with that.

Libs always say this but if that's what you think needs to be done to help other people, why don't you and the millions of other "compassionate" libs send more of your own money NOW to the government? Why do you have to wait for the government to force everyone else who disagrees with you?

This is the problem with libs. They are very compassionate with other people's money but are miserly with their own when it comes to giving charity. On the other hand, conservatives have been shown not only to give more than liberals to charity, but also if they see a particular need somewhere, they IMMEDIATELY reach into their own pocket to fill that need rather than wait for the government to mandate that everyone else should be taxed to fill that need because of some wacky notion of fairness.

It is noble to reach into your own pocket to help the less fortunate but it is despicable and worthy of condemnation to reach into someone else's pocket to help the less fortunate. And that's the basic difference between the socialist dimocrats, liberals, 0bama - and conservatives, republicans, and those who love freedom. Direct transfer payments from earners to those who don't earn anything are immoral and under our form of government unconstitutional.

Libs: Put your own money where your mouth is! Leave the rest of us alone.

Does all night sex help at all?

You are confusing socialism and a monopoly (or trust).

 

The NFL is engaging in a monopolistic practice, hence the "anti-trust" exemption.

That may be technically correct. And yes the NFL is a private concern where owners agree to revenue sharing, although reluctantly sometimes I would guess.

The notion of revenue sharing is something I'm sure the successful teams did not want but were probably out-voted. You can't tell me that they do it 100% willingly.

The idea of revenue sharing is a socialist idea regardless of whether it applies in a governmental or nongovernmental setting. That's all I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that technically speaking the NFL is a socialist entity as would be a government - it clearly isn't. But it does seem to employ some socialistic policies - that is spreading other people's wealth to those who didn't earn it.

I changed my post to reflect your points...what i should have said is, if you are anti socialist altogether, you should also be against the plethora of socialist policies in sports today, and there are many. If you are an anti-socialist and support some of these socialist policies in sports, you may be a bit hypocritical.

 

And by anti team relocation policies, i mean all of the policies in the CBA that make it difficult for a team owner to leave their current city and move to another one that is more profitable.

I'm not sure that I agree with your conclusion. I can disagree philsophically with the socialist aspects of the NFL and still enjoy watching the NFL without being a hypocrite. I think you present a false choice in suggesting that unless the world conforms perfectly and exactly with my own beliefs, that any interaction that I may have with the world (over which I have no control) is necessarily hypocrisy.

You are painting a very narrow parameter in which to live one's life - the world isn't perfect and it will never do what I want it to do and I have to live in it and cooperate with people that I may or may not agree with philosophically.

What is the point of this?

Well lets use the NFL as an example.

 

1. No Salary Caps.

2. No Revenue Sharing

3. No age limit

 

What would happen to college football as a result and the NFL? Do you think the products would be better for both the NCAA and NFL?

Again, my opinion doesn't really matter. What is, is and that's not going to change.

But just for grins, I think it would be better eventually for the NFL. If a few teams have to go belly up, so be it.

Players should be paid what they are worth on the free market and should be able to negotiate their salaries any time they see fit. Owners don't want to pay? Then a player should be able to move on and go where someone else is willing to pay him what the market will bear.

If I'm a sixteen year old with a body of a 25 year old and can play with the big boys, why would I waste my time getting an education or risk getting injured in college when I can go and make millions? Go for it. Who is anybody to say that individual should not be able to make his own decisions? And if he's a legal minor, if it's ok with his parents, then go for it!

Revenue sharing is socialism. If you can't get enough people inside your stadium to pay the bills, you should fail and be replaced by an owner that can get it done. It's not equitable to force successful teams who work hard to be successful to give the mediocre teams some of their hard-earned money.

Okay but you contribute to it correct? And you like the product right?

 

If there were no Team revenue sharing especcially in the MLB you would have half the teams. Not to mention salary caps that are in place to give some parody in the NFL and NBA. If you did not have that, you would have the National 3-4 teams basketball organization and it would crumble.

 

In addition, if college athletes were paid you would have about 16 teams worthy of division 1 football. Most universitys especcially public would not be able to support their football programs. And also they do get paid with an education, free rent, and meals. A generic ND football player comes away with roughly 70k a year as it is.

What I think about the way the NFL does its business, whether I agree with it or not doesn't mean crap. It won't affect what they do one bit. And it's unknown and presumptive to assume to know what would happen to the NFL if it didn't do what it is now doing.

I just stated my opinion as a staunch opponent of socialism who isn't a flag-bearer for the things mentioned by another poster, which contradicts his thesis.

I think his point is: Why does it seem that the staunchest opponents of 'socialism' are also the flag bearers for college athletes not being paid' date=' the 19 year old age limit for the NBA draft, team revenue sharing, anti-team relocation policies, and free agency in sports.[/quote']

 

I am a staunch opponent of socialism. I think college athletes should get paid, don't really care about an age limit for the NBA, disagree with team revenue sharing, and think free agency as it exists is not really free agency. Not sure what you mean by anti-team relocation policies.

 

Who are all of the opponents of socialism who are flag-bearers of the things you mentioned?

 

Unless you can provide examples, I don't think your opinion carries water.

I can surely be persuaded otherwise with some concrete examples.

2. Liberalism is mis-catagorized a lot. Please feel free to look it up in the dictronary and then tell me it is a mental disorder. If so our founding fathers were nut jobs.

 

Your right, Liberalism was hijacked by the progressive movement. The progressive movement started roughly around the time of Woodrow Wilson.

Liberals today have bastardized Classical Liberalism* such that not only do they not come close to it but they are divorced from it practically speaking.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

*http://www.classical-liberal.com/

i complemented your post and solicited an answer...and subsequently stated that i believe that the analogy was not apt... i believe the second point was a distinct idea which merited stating.

It is not obvious to whom you were responding. Try using the quote button next time. I thought you were responding to another post. This post above was directed to me correct?

nice point.... so why do you draw the comparison to a socialist when Barry isnt one?

 

Also, it's not accurate to call a private organization socialist. only a government can be socialist. players and owners can theoretically opt out. whereas a citizen of a socialist regime is compelled by the force of the government to comply.

I like my version better. Ridicule and sarcasm rocks!

I'm reluctant to go this far right now. Change (to me) doesn't always translate to success.

 

Anyone else remember Jr. Jabbie rushing for over 100 yards in the spring game?

 

I just think that in the realm of things that players "standing out" and switching positions doesn't always pay dividends in the end.

 

But I'm still excited to hear of change and enthusiasm, just won't make the aforementioned claim.

I said: "Looks like"...... and "we shall see." I am not irrationally exuberant about Kelly. But I do like what I see so far.

NCAA Football and all sport, NFL, MLB, NBA.......

 

How do you feel about the socialism model being used with these organizations? The NFL seems to do great.

It's great to see a socialist defend socialism in one breath and try and convince everyone that 0bama is not a socialist in another breath.

Liberals are very confused and liberalism is a mental disorder. LOL!

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• Harrison Smith, who finished last season as a LB is definitely moving back to safety ...
   
  
• Some tidbits ... OG Chris Stewart and FS Harrison Smith have been 2 of the winter workout stanouts. ... Stewart has lost considerable weight
   
  
• Kelly said junior recruiting is going well. ... He said winning some games in the fall would help the Irish be able to close next Feb.
  

I know there are some here who aren't fans of Smith but remember the guy was heavily recruited out of HS. He looked lost last year but he is very athletic. I think good coaching can turn him around.

I hope so! Looks like the Kelly machine is starting to pay dividends already. We shall see...........

I'd like to whiff this trucker's butt...

 

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Now that's one mother trucker!!!

thats his way of saying he likes to whiff fat trucker's butts............:preggers:

Both of you guys crack me up. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this.