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Well lets use the NFL as an example.

 

1. No Salary Caps.

2. No Revenue Sharing

3. No age limit

 

What would happen to college football as a result and the NFL? Do you think the products would be better for both the NCAA and NFL?

Again, my opinion doesn't really matter. What is, is and that's not going to change.

But just for grins, I think it would be better eventually for the NFL. If a few teams have to go belly up, so be it.

Players should be paid what they are worth on the free market and should be able to negotiate their salaries any time they see fit. Owners don't want to pay? Then a player should be able to move on and go where someone else is willing to pay him what the market will bear.

If I'm a sixteen year old with a body of a 25 year old and can play with the big boys, why would I waste my time getting an education or risk getting injured in college when I can go and make millions? Go for it. Who is anybody to say that individual should not be able to make his own decisions? And if he's a legal minor, if it's ok with his parents, then go for it!

Revenue sharing is socialism. If you can't get enough people inside your stadium to pay the bills, you should fail and be replaced by an owner that can get it done. It's not equitable to force successful teams who work hard to be successful to give the mediocre teams some of their hard-earned money.

Okay but you contribute to it correct? And you like the product right?

 

If there were no Team revenue sharing especcially in the MLB you would have half the teams. Not to mention salary caps that are in place to give some parody in the NFL and NBA. If you did not have that, you would have the National 3-4 teams basketball organization and it would crumble.

 

In addition, if college athletes were paid you would have about 16 teams worthy of division 1 football. Most universitys especcially public would not be able to support their football programs. And also they do get paid with an education, free rent, and meals. A generic ND football player comes away with roughly 70k a year as it is.

What I think about the way the NFL does its business, whether I agree with it or not doesn't mean crap. It won't affect what they do one bit. And it's unknown and presumptive to assume to know what would happen to the NFL if it didn't do what it is now doing.

I just stated my opinion as a staunch opponent of socialism who isn't a flag-bearer for the things mentioned by another poster, which contradicts his thesis.

I think his point is: Why does it seem that the staunchest opponents of 'socialism' are also the flag bearers for college athletes not being paid' date=' the 19 year old age limit for the NBA draft, team revenue sharing, anti-team relocation policies, and free agency in sports.[/quote']

 

I am a staunch opponent of socialism. I think college athletes should get paid, don't really care about an age limit for the NBA, disagree with team revenue sharing, and think free agency as it exists is not really free agency. Not sure what you mean by anti-team relocation policies.

 

Who are all of the opponents of socialism who are flag-bearers of the things you mentioned?

 

Unless you can provide examples, I don't think your opinion carries water.

I can surely be persuaded otherwise with some concrete examples.

2. Liberalism is mis-catagorized a lot. Please feel free to look it up in the dictronary and then tell me it is a mental disorder. If so our founding fathers were nut jobs.

 

Your right, Liberalism was hijacked by the progressive movement. The progressive movement started roughly around the time of Woodrow Wilson.

Liberals today have bastardized Classical Liberalism* such that not only do they not come close to it but they are divorced from it practically speaking.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

*http://www.classical-liberal.com/

From the link in the OP:

The full document will be posted online at www.themountvernonstatement.com after 3 p.m. Wednesday (today)

Sorry, Jon - apparently you are just not the right type of conservative. Try harder.

Not when they act like liberals and just call names.

and im done... have a nice day.

last word

neener, neener, neener

ha... going back to edit your posts so you sound like less of a ****?

 

come on...

 

i am not here to engage in an insult contest with you... i called for an answer to a valid question... is your ego really that tied up in a freaking message board thread?

LOL! This very post reeks of insults. Yeah right, you are not here to engage in an insult contest. You are not credible. What a joke!

hahahaha

ha... going back to edit your posts so you sound like less of a ****?

 

come on...

 

i am not here to engage in an insult contest with you... i called for an answer to a valid question... is your ego really that tied up in a freaking message board thread?

Editing is what an edit button is for. I didn't know I needed your permission to add to my posts.

You apparently forgot the board rules when you made a personal attack calling me a ****. That's ok. I can handle childish name-calling.

Why do you stalk my posts? Are you a stalker in real life?

What was your question?

yeah, im calling you a **** not because i am frustrated with your argument or as an escape from an idea i cannot counter, but as an observation that you are in fact, a ****...

opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one

takes one to know one

neener,neener, neener

i complemented your post and solicited an answer...and subsequently stated that i believe that the analogy was not apt... i believe the second point was a distinct idea which merited stating.

It is not obvious to whom you were responding. Try using the quote button next time. I thought you were responding to another post. This post above was directed to me correct?

ah, so you are just a ****...

You got busted and now you are doing the same thing you so sanctimoniously criticize others for doing - name calling.

LOL!

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.gif

 

Please, answer this? rather than randomly change the subject... how is it that the current anger over debts is not a direct result of the CURRENT administration.

Look at that chart, the current fiscal orgy is not a result of the previous adminstration.

Again, I like my version better. I only say that because it is obvious that you are shadowing my posts and asking the same questions that I ask in an attempt to present my post in the way that you think is preferable to the way I posted it using ridicule and sarcasm.

I am not swayed in any way to agree with your condescending opinion. But feel free to shadow my posts and re-ask my questions and make the identical points I'm making in your "preferred" manner.

Your method is so superior to mine. What would I do without your omniscient tutelage?

nice point.... so why do you draw the comparison to a socialist when Barry isnt one?

 

Also, it's not accurate to call a private organization socialist. only a government can be socialist. players and owners can theoretically opt out. whereas a citizen of a socialist regime is compelled by the force of the government to comply.

I like my version better. Ridicule and sarcasm rocks!

Just a jest. Seems you cannot kid. Did I hit a nerve? :llama:

Not at all. I just didn't see any connection to the topic in your comment.

Please tell us what you meant by your attempt at humor.

That old guy seems pretty racist.

Liberals always try and play the race card yet often they are the true racists:

http://open.salon.com/blog/ts/2009/09/19/racism_as_owned_by_white_liberals

Do we start raising the Confederte flag?

Wrong thread Old Bear. I think.........

I'm reluctant to go this far right now. Change (to me) doesn't always translate to success.

 

Anyone else remember Jr. Jabbie rushing for over 100 yards in the spring game?

 

I just think that in the realm of things that players "standing out" and switching positions doesn't always pay dividends in the end.

 

But I'm still excited to hear of change and enthusiasm, just won't make the aforementioned claim.

I said: "Looks like"...... and "we shall see." I am not irrationally exuberant about Kelly. But I do like what I see so far.

NCAA Football and all sport, NFL, MLB, NBA.......

 

How do you feel about the socialism model being used with these organizations? The NFL seems to do great.

It's great to see a socialist defend socialism in one breath and try and convince everyone that 0bama is not a socialist in another breath.

Liberals are very confused and liberalism is a mental disorder. LOL!

lol ok. NOW they care about the deficit.

Let's take a look at the Bush actual deficit vs the Obama (and CBO) projected deficits. These are his numbers and he did not inherit them from Bush:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

LOL! Facts are stubborn things.

http://twitter.com/hansensouthbend

• Harrison Smith, who finished last season as a LB is definitely moving back to safety ...
   
  
• Some tidbits ... OG Chris Stewart and FS Harrison Smith have been 2 of the winter workout stanouts. ... Stewart has lost considerable weight
   
  
• Kelly said junior recruiting is going well. ... He said winning some games in the fall would help the Irish be able to close next Feb.
  

I know there are some here who aren't fans of Smith but remember the guy was heavily recruited out of HS. He looked lost last year but he is very athletic. I think good coaching can turn him around.

I hope so! Looks like the Kelly machine is starting to pay dividends already. We shall see...........

I'd like to whiff this trucker's butt...

 

http://i46.tinypic.com/2zq8xlc.jpg

Now that's one mother trucker!!!

thats his way of saying he likes to whiff fat trucker's butts............:preggers:

Both of you guys crack me up. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this.

beck=olbermann=hannity=orielly=moore=limbaugh=etc...=douchebags!

Very intelligent discourse! Yawn.