Serious questions...

 

What if Butler pulls a shocker and commits and Jeremy Brown waits till after his visit a week or two to commit do we still take JB as a corner only... And everyone knows we would take Baldwin still even after Butler in my opinion...

 

What if Matt Patchan wants to come on board after TR commits... IT seems to me that other than Baldwin and maybe Forston... (continuing to remember C. Brown's quote on the number 99, next Warren Sapp..) we want to be done before the season starts and get a leg up on a few guys... GG being done for the year seems to indicate that we might be done at corner... We should really count him towards this year's class because he won't see the field until these guys get here... Unless they feel J. Brown is better than Gray then I don't see a legitimate reason to take Brown unless scenario A doesn't happen with Butler and we take Brown as a receiver... I really think it all depends on my guy Brice Butler... CW really wants him and hasn't given up... He just doesn't want to end up in a bad situation and Brown would commit if CW says you can play offense now...

 

Every recruit has a plan A recruit behind it and its up to these guys to see if they want to jump on board... Because if one guy shows a hint of no interest he's off the board and we just go get the other the guy we wanted but its not Plan B... We haven't sniffed plan B...

 

And I really can't wait for September 1st for two reasons... GA Tech and 2009 offers... Heard from campus that up to five guys might get offered on that day, all five star capable...

i wouldn't worry to much about this. according to my B&G Illustrated ND can bring up to 26 recruites, so it looks like their will be plenty of room for everyone. i would be very surprised if ND landed both TR and matt patchan.

So 26 so maybe with this list we can get the top class... I'm going to try to do this in order of commit...

 

 

19. Steve Filer

20. Trevor Robinson

21. Micheal Floyd

22. Brice Butler

23. Etienne Sabino

24. Jeremy Brown

25. Marcus Forston

26. Jonathon Baldwin

 

No running back because we are in on some big ones next year... That would fill up the class with 4 five star with a possible move up... And the rest high four star and playesrs we've wanted the entire time other than J. Brown...

19. Steve Filer

20. Trevor Robinson

21. Micheal Floyd

22. Brice Butler

23. Etienne Sabino

24. Jeremy Brown

25. Marcus Forston

26. Jonathon Baldwin

i agree with this list but i would replace brice butler with either carlton thomas or ryan williams. butler is FSU bound.

Just for the record, who are the guys that we will "hold a spot for" that have said they'll commit on NSD/AAA game?

 

I know Floyd had mentioned something about giving a pledge in San Antonio, but has that changed?

 

What's Fortson looking like? How about Sabino?

Just for the record, who are the guys that we will "hold a spot for"

 

My list for that would be:

 

Filer

Floyd

Fortson

Sabino

What about Brown? According to most folks he is still wide open and he told CB that he will visit.

Most of us don't hold out much hope for him. Some of the comments from his camp seem to me like he's already looking to fit in as a 4-3 OLB (which would obviously eliminate us)... plus this whole player agent type of dealy has me thinking they won't be heartbroken if Arthur doesn't really follow up on the Irish.

 

As for Brice Butler, I know its a little bit of a cross to bear thing for TAA, but in all honesty I don't think he's in the cards for us. And frankly, I'm pretty darn OK with that, and I'll just leave it there.

 

As for lists, I'm with russ on the "big board", and Rockne on the "save a seat"s. Well... I waffle when it comes to Forston, but I'd be more likely to change my tune if there's an unforeseen departure from the program that opens up a scholarship slot (transfer, injury, etc).

i wouldn't worry to much about this. according to my B&G Illustrated ND can bring up to 26 recruites, so it looks like their will be plenty of room for everyone. i would be very surprised if ND landed both TR and matt patchan.

 

not questioning this or your info russ, but are sure of 26? i thought the realistic/probable number was 24 (keeping 2 fifth years) or 25 (keeping 1 fifth year) if late 5 star wanted in.

but not 26.

if it is 26, tat would be great, and all this talk about holding spots/"the train filling up"/if he coomitts, that guy is out is moot, no?

 

little confused here (not the first time!)

24 is more realistic. But an article he read seems to take a bolder stance, so we're working with that rubric, for the sake of arguement.

24 is more realistic. But an article he read seems to take a bolder stance, so we're working with that rubric, for the sake of arguement.

 

26 in this class?

 

I can defintitely work with that rubric...

The way you save a spot is that if one of those guys commits late than that is just one more 5th year that will not be invited back. At this point, the 2 highest regarded 5th year guys we have are Lambert and Crum. So if a guy like Sabino or Fortson wants to come on board late than Charlie must decide if he wants one of them or Crum/Lambert.

Most of us don't hold out much hope for him. Some of the comments from his camp seem to me like he's already looking to fit in as a 4-3 OLB (which would obviously eliminate us)... plus this whole player agent type of dealy has me thinking they won't be heartbroken if Arthur doesn't really follow up on the Irish.

 

As for Brice Butler, I know its a little bit of a cross to bear thing for TAA, but in all honesty I don't think he's in the cards for us. And frankly, I'm pretty darn OK with that, and I'll just leave it there.

 

As for lists, I'm with russ on the "big board", and Rockne on the "save a seat"s. Well... I waffle when it comes to Forston, but I'd be more likely to change my tune if there's an unforeseen departure from the program that opens up a scholarship slot (transfer, injury, etc).

 

You waffle when it comes to Forston? May I ask why? ...granted we have a few commits at that spot...but he's the best DL in the country, a better prospect than Vince Wilfork was in this area, and plays on the best high school football team in the country (most talented at least), against the best competition you can find in high school football.

 

He's a guy who could change the whole face and image of the Notre Dame defense alone. Hopefully you guys will get to see him play twice this year on national television.

The way you save a spot is that if one of those guys commits late than that is just one more 5th year that will not be invited back. At this point, the 2 highest regarded 5th year guys we have are Lambert and Crum. So if a guy like Sabino or Fortson wants to come on board late than Charlie must decide if he wants one of them or Crum/Lambert.

 

Rockne, I dont think Charlie has to make that decision. I fully expect both Crum and Lambert to play well enough to get drafted next year. You gotta take a 4 or 5 star caliber players, and can't rely on 5th years coming back. Gone are the days where we have to rely on the 5th year player anyway.

 

If Crum and Lambert are not drafted after four years and degree in hand, maybe its not best for them to comeback a year anyway...But like I said, those guys are beasts and will get the call on draft day barring injury.

Dred, I do not agree that if they don't play well enough to be drafted after 4 years than maybe they should not be invited back. I don't agree with that. There are plenty of guys who are very good college football players who are not considered for the NFL (Hoyte). There are also many examples of guys who don't come on until the end of their college career. I do not think that what you said would be fair to the player or the team.

 

As for Lambert and Crum, I think it is more likely that Lambert comes out vs. Crum. His skills, speed and the position are in his favor.

 

I do agree that if you do get the opportunity to land one of our top 4 or 5 star guys that the price of Crum or Lambert is fine by me. And it is very possible that both go to the NFL. I think for Crum to do well in the NFL he will probably be best suited for a Tampa/Bears/Colts type of defense--a cover 2 where the LB's are smaller and faster than a typical LB.

Dred, I do not agree that if they don't play well enough to be drafted after 4 years than maybe they should not be invited back. I don't agree with that. There are plenty of guys who are very good college football players who are not considered for the NFL (Hoyte). There are also many examples of guys who don't come on until the end of their college career. I do not think that what you said would be fair to the player or the team.

 

As for Lambert and Crum, I think it is more likely that Lambert comes out vs. Crum. His skills, speed and the position are in his favor.

 

I do agree that if you do get the opportunity to land one of our top 4 or 5 star guys that the price of Crum or Lambert is fine by me. And it is very possible that both go to the NFL. I think for Crum to do well in the NFL he will probably be best suited for a Tampa/Bears/Colts type of defense--a cover 2 where the LB's are smaller and faster than a typical LB.

 

 

Maybe it wouldn't be fair, but all I am saying is that you can't rely on a 5th year guy coming back. For one, we don't know if they will get drafted. Two, who knows if they will even want to comeback? If you get an opportunity to sign a few guys who are top 100 players in the country, you sign them...you can't hold spots or assume that the 5th years will be back, nor should you....there are too many variables

 

For instance, what happens if we dont sign Sabino because of the 5th years, and they decide to go play in the NFL instead?

 

The way I see it, if things work out that you have a couple schollies hangin around and the guys really want to comeback, then you give them up...but you don't plan on it and lose out on a recruit.