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I hope I'm not being redundant, but my quick (lazy) scan didn't show this topic on this forum...

 

How should ND schedule is it's opponents. 7 home, 1 "neutral", 4 away... is that the right formula?

 

Restrictions with 3 BE teams?

 

here's how AD 1qa does it

 

1. Big 10 (home & away)

2. Service Academy (home & neutral)

3. ACC (yr1,2), Big 12 (yr3,4), SEC (yr5,6) (away & home)

4. Big East (home & away)

5. Big 10 (away & home)

6. SEC, ACC, or Big 12 -- (neutral)

7. ---- bye ---

8. USC (home & away)

9. Big 10 (home & away)

10. Navy (neutral and home)

11. PAC 10 (away & home)

12. Mid-Major (eg. MAC, WAC, MWC) -- (home)

13. Big East (away & home)

 

Further refinement.. negotiate groupings of teams

 

eg.

1. Purdue/Illinois/Northwestern/Indiana (home & away)

2. Army or Air Force (home & neutral)

3. Miami (yr1,2), Oklahoma (yr3,4), Alabama (yr5,6) (away & home)

4. UConn/Pittsburgh/Syracuse/Cincy (home & away)

5. Michigan/Ohio/PSU (away & home)

6. SEC, ACC, or Big 12 (Potluck) -- (neutral)

7. ---- bye ---

8. USC (home & away)

9. Michigan St/Wisconsin/Minnesota/Iowa (home & away)

10. Navy (neutral and home)

11. PAC 10 (away & home)

12. Mid-Major (eg. MAC, WAC, MWC) -- (home)

13. WVU/Louisville/Rutgers/South FL (away & home)

 

traditional strength

1. med-light = Purdue/Illinois/Northwestern/Indiana

2. light = Army or Air Force

3. classic = Miami (yr1,2), Oklahoma (yr3,4), Alabama (yr5,6)

4. med-light = UConn/Pittsburgh/Syracuse/Cincy

5. classic = Michigan/Ohio/PSU (away & home)

6. classic = SEC, ACC, or Big 12 (Potluck) -- (neutral)

7. ---- bye ---

8. classic = USC (home & away)

9. med-hard = Michigan St/Wisconsin/Minnesota/Iowa (home & away)

10. light = Navy (neutral and home)

11. med-hard = PAC 10 (away & home)

12. light = Mid-Major (eg. MAC, WAC, MWC) -- (home)

13. med-hard = WVU/Louisville/Rutgers/South FL (away & home)

 

I like having the neutral classic... it's like having a bowl game mid-season. On the neutral... we choose the venue though ;-)

 

thoughts?

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Guest Mikey G
Well done. I would love to have games with Alabama, Miami, and Oklahoma in the near future.

 

Especially with the caliber talent we'll have in the near future. :)

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Guest Deimos

Let us not forget the deal we have with USC. When they come to ND, we play in October, but when we go out there, it is in late November...

 

-MW-

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I never liked that deimos. come play in cold november at ND,,, Why should we acommodate them? As Weis says If you want into the NFL learn to play in the cold. :D

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I've got an idea, lets drop some of the Big 10(11) teams that we play. I think that MSU and Purdue are fine candidates, we gain nothing by playing them. If we beat them, everyone says that we should, and if we lose to them our season is screwed - because we shouldn't lose to them.

Another thing that play thos two teams is that it front-loads our schedule because the big10(11) doesn't like their teams to play out of conference games once their conference play starts, our schedule is held captive by the Big 10. I believe, on a national level, not many ND fans are as excited about MSU and Purdue as they are about UM and PSU. I know we have the tradition of playing both MSU and Purdue, but its time for a change.

 

With our schedule this year, we leave the midwest 2 times - both to California. If we expect to recruit on a national level, we need to play across the country, like the Rockne days. We don't play any games in the South, Southeast, the Plains, or Northwest. I believe that if we want to continue to get kids out of Florida, Texas, the Carolinas, Georgia, Nebraska, Oklahoma we are going to have to play some games in those areas, and our schedule is stymied by the Big 10.

 

This hypothetical schedule looks more interesting to me:

 

GEORGIA TECH

@Penn State

NAVY

MICHIGAN

DUKE

@ Alabama

AIR FORCE

@ UCLA

BOSTON COLLEGE

Kentucky (neutral site - played in Cincinnatti)

SOUTHERN CAL

@ Stanford

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The USC/ND thing is as much for us as it is for them. We get to go to California when it is getting cold out here. The warm weather feels nicer obviously. I agree though, I think overall, we got the short end on that exchange. USC's record at ND Stadium would be far worse in November than October IMO.

 

-MW-

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Guest irishrick

just for the record i think this was arranged for the team to leave south bend in in the snow and travel to southern California , for a week in the sun , this was knute Rockne idea , so lets leave this one alone . I don't see Notre dame playing Kentucky, Kentucky is a basketball school just like Duke, always will be bring on Texas or another football school , what say you ? :roll:

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always will be bring on Texas or another football school , what say you ? :roll:

 

The problem is you can't play too many big games in a season or the players will get "burned-out" - they can't stay up for that many games. I think that if we ever want to win a national championship again, we should play 3-4 "big" games per year 4-5 hard-medium games and 3 easy games. Because we don't have a conference championship game and what I see as a small media bias, we are going to have to go undefeated to win a NC. We can't continue to schedule ourselves out of the NC. No matter what the media says, the strength of schedule really doesn't matter, if there are two undefeated teams at the end of the year, they will play for the NC.

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I don't mind playing B10 teams 3 times a year... I think it makes sense. Do I want to see Purdue and Mich St every year... not really.

 

But, I did group Purdue with Ill, Northwestern & Indiana as they represent Greater "Chicago" area schools... and local rivalries.

 

I grouped Wisc, Mich St, Minn, Iowa as they, to me, represented the rest of the midwest... excluding, of course,

 

the traditional B10 powers - Mich, OSU & PSU (grouped because of their historical independency).

 

While ND plays Big East in all other sports, in football, it has less association for me.. so I want to see them 2 times/year max. I split them up according to their traditional strengths.

 

As an Independent school... I really want us to have home&aways with all the major BCS conferences... so alternately SEC, ACC & B12. Reserve the home & away for the traditional powerhouse football schools... like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Alabama, Miami... and now LSU, Florida, Tennessee.

 

I also put in the recent tradition of playing a second PAC10 team... so we can keep a presence on the West Coast.

 

The non-service academy neutral site game should go to a BCS conference team ... traditionally weaker... So, we might play S Carolina, Boston College, Ok State, Iowa St, Colorado, Texas AM, Ark, Georgia, Ga Tech, Kentucky, UNC (a few recruits from there recently), etc, etc...

 

And, finally, we bow to tradition... playing the service acadamies, Navy and USC.

 

Financially... we lose out on only 1 home game... we would have 6 home, 2 neutral, 4 away. I think the University probably makes as much on Neutral sites than it does at home as we can schedule larger venues, or charge more money

 

That's ... how remain relevant nationally.. and in honest contention for BCS selection. We'd be playing 9 BCS conference teams ...

 

I bet most BCS conference teams only play 8 BCS teams.

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just for the record i think this was arranged for the team to leave south bend in in the snow and travel to southern California , for a week in the sun , this was knute Rockne idea , so lets leave this one alone . I don't see Notre dame playing Kentucky, Kentucky is a basketball school just like Duke, always will be bring on Texas or another football school , what say you ? :roll:

 

Rockne's wife wanted a trip to go shopping so the games were set up. USC, travelling by train in the early days, couldn't get into SB in the winter without the possibility of severe delays. our record is pretty good against them overall and the rivalry is as strong as ever. F USC, that's all i have to say about that.

 

ND has LSU and Okie on the schedule in the future. I don't mind Nevada and SDSU for a first game. BYU is coming back on as well as Washington in '08. Do you think TY will be the coach of the Huskies then?? :lol:

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miragesmack, NOW YOU WOULD HAVE A GAME AT papa John STADIUM. Louisville IS JUST STARTING TO GET INTO BIG TIME FOOTBALL, they WOULD LOVE TO PLAY THE IRISH , AND THEY WOULD HAVE PROBER-LY BEAT US LAST YEAR, THEY LOST THE COACH AND A FEW PLAYERS. , WOULD HAVE GIVEN US A GREAT GAME, Even sir John ", Mr Louisville "< himself would have cheered for the Irish, but he would be out numbered by the nuns . . just kidding SJ great city. but they do love the cardinals

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ty will be the coach at washington for at least a couple more years and if he can beat the irish he will get a contract extention , they seem to love him up there. he has to produce in 08. or i think the huskie fans will start to rumble , what say you? :)

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ty will be the coach at washington for at least a couple more years and if he can beat the irish he will get a contract extention , they seem to love him up there. he has to produce in 08. or i think the huskie fans will start to rumble , what say you? :)

 

I think the Husky fans have already started to rumble by the second half of last year from what I remember.

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miragesmack, NOW YOU WOULD HAVE A GAME AT papa John STADIUM. Louisville IS JUST STARTING TO GET INTO BIG TIME FOOTBALL, they WOULD LOVE TO PLAY THE IRISH , AND THEY WOULD HAVE PROBER-LY BEAT US LAST YEAR, THEY LOST THE COACH AND A FEW PLAYERS. , WOULD HAVE GIVEN US A GREAT GAME, Even sir John ", Mr Louisville "< himself would have cheered for the Irish, but he would be out numbered by the nuns . . just kidding SJ great city. but they do love the cardinals

 

 

Papa Johns Stadium, they are trying to call it "The Oven", but it's not catching on. Anyway, it only hold about 42,000, kinda small. Until about 6-8 years ago, my old high school drew more fans than the Cardinals, about 35 - 40,000 for the St X - Trinity game.

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Automatic games (2 total):

USC

Navy

 

1 Game every year from the following groups (3 total):

Purdue or MSU

Army or Air Force

Stanford, UCLA, Washington, Washington State

 

2 Game every year from the following groups (6 total):

Michigan, Penn State, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota

West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Connecticut

Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, FSU, Georgia Tech, Miami (Fla), Tennessee, LSU, Alabama

 

1 Rotating game every year against any Division I school. This game should serve to balance the schedule in terms of home/away or difficulty. If you end up with a particularly tough schedule (say facing Miami, Oklahoma, and Michigan in the same year) you can make this game into a lower caliber team.

 

That gives you 2 ACC/SEC/Big 12 games a year, 2 Independents, 2 Big East, 3 Big Ten, and 2 PAC 10. A nice balance.

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Guest IntoTheRain

all I can say is, as a UCLA student I am pretty excited to see the Irish stop by this year. I don't know what side to take! haha

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