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Thanks for posting Gwood for two reasons. First, we must always remember that what we say about recruits is being wathced and can have an impact. Secondly, I was very impressed with how Corwin not only recruited the player but the parents. It was masterful how he "asked" if he could text mom and dad and when rebutted found a way to subtley do it anyway. The fact that he builds relationships on something other than football is also key.

 

If he can coach defense like he can recruit, watch out ND fans because it is going to be fun.

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I think it goes further and brings into question even making comparisons between recruits who are of roughly equal quality. Some of what was said in the Michigan Scouts Blanton thread is said here everyday regarding other recruits. Not throwing any stones, but those kinds of words can be misconstrued easily enough.

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am i the only one who felt more than a little uncomfortable reading that post? i mean, i might be crazy but i think for a intimate family member of a recruit to post that kind of message on a fan site is plain wrong; despite what "insight" we might gain in the recruiting process.

 

i for one don't have any problem with posters critiquing possible recruits and if a loved one of the recruit reads it and gets defensive about it, well, that's too be expected, right? they're protective of their family member being recruited. but that sure the heck doesn't mean that me or calves or knight or whomever shouldn't be free to post their opinions or "evaluations" of a potential recruit! as long it is constructive and not just "he sucks."

 

i dunno, maybe i'm way off base here, but that post just seemed full of pettiness and was very immature. it broke a "third wall" that just shouldn't be broken in my opinion. it degrades the player, the family member and the message board, IMHO...

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Let me ask you this, BI. If you knew that the Irish were going to lose out on a recruit sometime in the future because of comparisons made on DD, would you still support these kinds of comparisons?

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I'm fine with it. I mean what if some internet nerds were talking badly about your 17 year old son? I mean, we have grown men with careers and families trashing a kid! Kind of creepy, maybe some need a wake up call.

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Let me ask you this, BI. If you knew that the Irish were going to lose out on a recruit sometime in the future because of comparisons made on DD, would you still support these kinds of comparisons?

 

sorry, guys, i believe that as long as one is being respectful, i will ALWAYS support a posters right of free speech in talking about or evaluating recruits. and i'll tell ya something else, if a recruit didn't come to ND because of what he or some family member read on a non-ND sanctioned message board, he is NOT the kind of guy we want playing for ND anyway. or he was not serious about coming to ND in the first place and was looking for an excuse to back out...

 

but i am more interested in your opinions of the step-dad posting what he did. did it not bother anyone else but me?? :?

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I'm fine with it. I mean what if some internet nerds were talking badly about your 17 year old son? I mean, we have grown men with careers and families trashing a kid! Kind of creepy, maybe some need a wake up call.

 

sorry but it's MORE creepy to respond to those sorts of things, IMHO. again, it demeans EVERYONE, i think, to respond at all. the family member, the recruit, the school, etc.

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The post is out of line. Family members of players should stay away from message boards. (Especially other team's message boards). It airs out information that needs to be "in-house." Hopefully in the future, Blanton's step dad won't be one of "those guys," who feels the need to justify his sons talent to the rest of the world over the internet. I'm sure the coaching staff is holding their tongue with regards to this guy posting all over these types of boards...its not good for the program.

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am i the only one who felt more than a little uncomfortable reading that post? i mean, i might be crazy but i think for a intimate family member of a recruit to post that kind of message on a fan site is plain wrong; despite what "insight" we might gain in the recruiting process.

 

i for one don't have any problem with posters critiquing possible recruits and if a loved one of the recruit reads it and gets defensive about it, well, that's too be expected, right? they're protective of their family member being recruited. but that sure the heck doesn't mean that me or calves or knight or whomever shouldn't be free to post their opinions or "evaluations" of a potential recruit! as long it is constructive and not just "he sucks."

 

i dunno, maybe i'm way off base here, but that post just seemed full of pettiness and was very immature. it broke a "third wall" that just shouldn't be broken in my opinion. it degrades the player, the family member and the message board, IMHO...

 

I guess that I'll reserve judgement on the poster because I don't know what was actually said about his son. If the only things said are what was covered in his post, it seems to me he should have bit his tongue and not posted anthing at all. If the attacks on his son were a little more personnel, I can kind of understand his venting, but hopefully that will be the last post of that type from his father. Like I said, without know what was actually said on the UM boards - I'll cut the guy a little slack.

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The post is out of line. Family members of players should stay away from message boards. (Especially other team's message boards). It airs out information that needs to be "in-house." Hopefully in the future' date=' Blanton's step dad won't be one of "those guys," who feels the need to justify his sons talent to the rest of the world over the internet. I'm sure the coaching staff is holding their tongue with regards to this guy posting all over these types of boards...its not good for the program.[/quote']

 

agreed, good post

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am i the only one who felt more than a little uncomfortable reading that post? i mean, i might be crazy but i think for a intimate family member of a recruit to post that kind of message on a fan site is plain wrong; despite what "insight" we might gain in the recruiting process.

 

i for one don't have any problem with posters critiquing possible recruits and if a loved one of the recruit reads it and gets defensive about it, well, that's too be expected, right? they're protective of their family member being recruited. but that sure the heck doesn't mean that me or calves or knight or whomever shouldn't be free to post their opinions or "evaluations" of a potential recruit! as long it is constructive and not just "he sucks."

 

i dunno, maybe i'm way off base here, but that post just seemed full of pettiness and was very immature. it broke a "third wall" that just shouldn't be broken in my opinion. it degrades the player, the family member and the message board, IMHO...

 

Well, it seems to me that they were spreading false information about his son on a public forum. It is within his rights to defend his son. Lord knows, if it was my son, I would have ripped them too. In addition, why do unnamed, anonymous posters have more rights to express their opinions than someone who has a more intimate involvement and personal stake in the situation? Good for Eman. The anonimity of the internet doesn't give you carte blanche to say whatever you want. Maybe it does, but if you're going to play the game, then expect a rebuttal from someone. "Even" if that someone is related to the prospect.

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The post is out of line. Family members of players should stay away from message boards. (Especially other team's message boards). It airs out information that needs to be "in-house." Hopefully in the future' date=' Blanton's step dad won't be one of "those guys," who feels the need to justify his sons talent to the rest of the world over the internet. I'm sure the coaching staff is holding their tongue with regards to this guy posting all over these types of boards...its not good for the program.[/quote']

I agree, but sometimes you can't help but feel the need to defend your family when others are talking badly about them..

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am i the only one who felt more than a little uncomfortable reading that post? i mean, i might be crazy but i think for a intimate family member of a recruit to post that kind of message on a fan site is plain wrong; despite what "insight" we might gain in the recruiting process.

 

i for one don't have any problem with posters critiquing possible recruits and if a loved one of the recruit reads it and gets defensive about it, well, that's too be expected, right? they're protective of their family member being recruited. but that sure the heck doesn't mean that me or calves or knight or whomever shouldn't be free to post their opinions or "evaluations" of a potential recruit! as long it is constructive and not just "he sucks."

 

i dunno, maybe i'm way off base here, but that post just seemed full of pettiness and was very immature. it broke a "third wall" that just shouldn't be broken in my opinion. it degrades the player, the family member and the message board, IMHO...

 

Well, it seems to me that they were spreading false information about his son on a public forum. It is within his rights to defend his son. Lord knows, if it was my son, I would have ripped them too. In addition, why do unnamed, anonymous posters have more rights to express their opinions than someone who has a more intimate involvement and personal stake in the situation? Good for Eman. The anonimity of the internet doesn't give you carte blanche to say whatever you want. Maybe it does, but if you're going to play the game, then expect a rebuttal from someone. "Even" if that someone is related to the prospect.

 

well, first of all, i don't think any of us *know* what "they" were "spreading" at all. but regardless, i just think no matter what is said about your son or step-son, you don't respond to message boards. it's a no-win situation for the player, the parent and most importantly to us, the school.

 

and posters don't have "more rights" than anyone. i was saying that they have the *same* rights as anyone. free speech. now, i don't know if the posters on the UM site *were* being respectful but i do know that most all of the regular posters here *are* respectful and i don't want us to start self-censoring ourselves about any recruit because we might "lose" him. again, any recruit who would site *that* as a reason for not coming to ND is a recruit we don't want.

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am i the only one who felt more than a little uncomfortable reading that post? i mean, i might be crazy but i think for a intimate family member of a recruit to post that kind of message on a fan site is plain wrong; despite what "insight" we might gain in the recruiting process.

 

i for one don't have any problem with posters critiquing possible recruits and if a loved one of the recruit reads it and gets defensive about it, well, that's too be expected, right? they're protective of their family member being recruited. but that sure the heck doesn't mean that me or calves or knight or whomever shouldn't be free to post their opinions or "evaluations" of a potential recruit! as long it is constructive and not just "he sucks."

 

i dunno, maybe i'm way off base here, but that post just seemed full of pettiness and was very immature. it broke a "third wall" that just shouldn't be broken in my opinion. it degrades the player, the family member and the message board, IMHO...

 

Well, it seems to me that they were spreading false information about his son on a public forum. It is within his rights to defend his son. Lord knows, if it was my son, I would have ripped them too. In addition, why do unnamed, anonymous posters have more rights to express their opinions than someone who has a more intimate involvement and personal stake in the situation? Good for Eman. The anonimity of the internet doesn't give you carte blanche to say whatever you want. Maybe it does, but if you're going to play the game, then expect a rebuttal from someone. "Even" if that someone is related to the prospect.

 

Agreed, it is in his full right to respond to those who talk bad about his step-son. The question though is not whether it is his right to do so, but whether it is the proper thing to do. There is a little saying that goes, "Do not stoop down to their level." If they want to talk bad about his son on a computer, so be it. His son is about to sign a scholarship to play Notre Dame Football. Stealing a little quote from Rudy, "He doesnt have to prove nothin' to nobody." Let the chips fall as they may, and let his son speak through his actions on the field, rather than words on a message board. Arguing with a crowd of faceless posters has never been beneficial for anyone. (Meeeechigan posters at that)

 

Also, there is an unwritten rule in college athletics, that parents should stay away from posting information about the program on message boards...It protects the coaches and players from mindless media hounds.

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am i the only one who felt more than a little uncomfortable reading that post? i mean, i might be crazy but i think for a intimate family member of a recruit to post that kind of message on a fan site is plain wrong; despite what "insight" we might gain in the recruiting process.

 

i for one don't have any problem with posters critiquing possible recruits and if a loved one of the recruit reads it and gets defensive about it, well, that's too be expected, right? they're protective of their family member being recruited. but that sure the heck doesn't mean that me or calves or knight or whomever shouldn't be free to post their opinions or "evaluations" of a potential recruit! as long it is constructive and not just "he sucks."

 

i dunno, maybe i'm way off base here, but that post just seemed full of pettiness and was very immature. it broke a "third wall" that just shouldn't be broken in my opinion. it degrades the player, the family member and the message board, IMHO...

 

Well, it seems to me that they were spreading false information about his son on a public forum. It is within his rights to defend his son. Lord knows, if it was my son, I would have ripped them too. In addition, why do unnamed, anonymous posters have more rights to express their opinions than someone who has a more intimate involvement and personal stake in the situation? Good for Eman. The anonimity of the internet doesn't give you carte blanche to say whatever you want. Maybe it does, but if you're going to play the game, then expect a rebuttal from someone. "Even" if that someone is related to the prospect.

 

well, first of all, i don't think any of us *know* what "they" were "spreading" at all. but regardless, i just think no matter what is said about your son or step-son, you don't respond to message boards. it's a no-win situation for the player, the parent and most importantly to us, the school.

 

and posters don't have "more rights" than anyone. i was saying that they have the *same* rights as anyone. free speech. now, i don't know if the posters on the UM site *were* being respectful but i do know that most all of the regular posters here *are* respectful and i don't want us to start self-censoring ourselves about any recruit because we might "lose" him. again, any recruit who would site *that* as a reason for not coming to ND is a recruit we don't want.

 

You and PDred may have a point about lowering yourself to their level but for you to say that we/the university is the most important in this situation is plain wrong. The most important person in this senario is RJ. I really don't get how posters don't understand that these kids aren't pros. They're HIGH SCHOOL kids. How about I start up a messege board about your kids math team and spread stuff like, "PDred's and Black Irish's kids failed Pre Algebra!" Don't tell me 1) you wouldn't be po'd 2) you would think that the high school and the math team fans are the most important 3) your first action wouldn't be to a lawyer. You're right, I don't know what exactly was said, but it doesn't matter. A Dad is a Dad and idiots are idiots. As a Dad I can tell you that I respect what he did and think he was right to let the posters know that they were wrong. Noone is telling you guys that you can't be harsh in your assessment of recruits. Totally your perogative. All i'm saying is that if you are wrong, or simply don't know what your talking about, it's proper for someone to tell you your full of it. I don't see how anything Eman said hurts ND. He said that CB was a hard worker, stays in contact with the kids and builds a relationship with the parents. I think people are being too sensitive about his post.

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Like the post or not, Blanton's father has provided an ENORMOUS amount of recruiting information to all of us who are hungry for the info. He has become very highly regarded at II. You don't have to agree with him posting but he has provided a ton of info and has been accurate.

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Nice take on it Rockne. I hope he keeps things under wraps when his son is on the roster, because he could seriously undermine a lot of things within the program, but in the meantime he was (and continues to be) a wealth of information that took all the drama out of RJ's recruitment.

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