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what are thoughts on these new "advisors" is it such a bad thing?

 

I imagine a lot of kids (and parents) really feel they don't know how to handle this recruiting game, and so they look to trusted sources (family / friends / HS Coach) or resort to these advisors.

 

Are these advisors any worse than the "application doctors" who have a niche helping the well-to-do get into their elite college of choice... coaching them on essays and extracurricular activity selection?

 

Do we think we'll see more of this advisor phenomenon, or is this a flash-in-the-pan phenomenon.

 

I look at the Ginns and this advisor dude... I think it will become part of the recruiting fabric.. especially in low, socio-economic areas... Miami, Texas and certain parts of Cali could become fertile grounds

New Topic...

 

what are thoughts on these new "advisors" is it such a bad thing?

 

I imagine a lot of kids (and parents) really feel they don't know how to handle this recruiting game, and so they look to trusted sources (family / friends / HS Coach) or resort to these advisors.

 

Are these advisors any worse than the "application doctors" who have a niche helping the well-to-do get into their elite college of choice... coaching them on essays and extracurricular activity selection?

 

Do we think we'll see more of this advisor phenomenon, or is this a flash-in-the-pan phenomenon.

 

I look at the Ginns and this advisor dude... I think it will become part of the recruiting fabric.. especially in low, socio-economic areas... Miami, Texas and certain parts of Cali could become fertile grounds

 

-------It probably will happen more and more and it'll become just that much more disgusting.

and then after awhile there will be agents signing kids in hs and then the ncaa will make rules for everything and all that good stuff!!! lol

New Topic...

 

what are thoughts on these new "advisors" is it such a bad thing?

 

I imagine a lot of kids (and parents) really feel they don't know how to handle this recruiting game, and so they look to trusted sources (family / friends / HS Coach) or resort to these advisors.

 

Are these advisors any worse than the "application doctors" who have a niche helping the well-to-do get into their elite college of choice... coaching them on essays and extracurricular activity selection?

 

Do we think we'll see more of this advisor phenomenon, or is this a flash-in-the-pan phenomenon.

 

I look at the Ginns and this advisor dude... I think it will become part of the recruiting fabric.. especially in low, socio-economic areas... Miami, Texas and certain parts of Cali could become fertile grounds

 

 

The question that will determine the ethical value of such an adviser role is the result of what is expected to be reciprocated from the role.

 

Application doctors don't expect much beyond the interaction - they help formulate the best possible method to get their client into the college of their choice. On the other hand, with advisers, there are whispers of all sorts of arrangements being made. You can call it handling, you can call it guidance or mentoring, whatever, but in the cases where it isn't family handling the student - something is expected from advising, the question is what and who gives it.

New Topic...

 

what are thoughts on these new "advisors" is it such a bad thing?

 

I imagine a lot of kids (and parents) really feel they don't know how to handle this recruiting game, and so they look to trusted sources (family / friends / HS Coach) or resort to these advisors.

 

Are these advisors any worse than the "application doctors" who have a niche helping the well-to-do get into their elite college of choice... coaching them on essays and extracurricular activity selection?

 

Do we think we'll see more of this advisor phenomenon, or is this a flash-in-the-pan phenomenon.

 

I look at the Ginns and this advisor dude... I think it will become part of the recruiting fabric.. especially in low, socio-economic areas... Miami, Texas and certain parts of Cali could become fertile grounds

 

This whole situation looks like the Reggie Bush "siuation" out at U$C happening earlier. These kids are going to make "promises" to these advisors, since they cant pay them, that will eventually make the advisor their agent when they leave college.

Otherwise there is no benefit to the advisor, why would someone waste their time pampering a HS kid if they didn't see a long-term benefit - ala becoming their agent when they enter the draft.

 

They whole situation to me seems like a lawsuit generating scheme to me.

I don't care if you are non-profit or not. I don't think that anyone should be representing a high school kid other than one of his coaches or his family. IMO is a rules violation.

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what are thoughts on these new "advisors" is it such a bad thing?

 

I imagine a lot of kids (and parents) really feel they don't know how to handle this recruiting game, and so they look to trusted sources (family / friends / HS Coach) or resort to these advisors.

 

Are these advisors any worse than the "application doctors" who have a niche helping the well-to-do get into their elite college of choice... coaching them on essays and extracurricular activity selection?

 

Do we think we'll see more of this advisor phenomenon, or is this a flash-in-the-pan phenomenon.

 

I look at the Ginns and this advisor dude... I think it will become part of the recruiting fabric.. especially in low, socio-economic areas... Miami, Texas and certain parts of Cali could become fertile grounds

 

 

 

I like them and here is why. An advisor is like a "Life Coach" they have had more experience and can interview current and former players of coaches at certain schools. If a school is recruiting a kid and the Head coach only rips and never praises and the "advisor" reps a kid who only responds to praise and gets depressed when getting "ripped" then it is not a good fit. Remember we are talking about 17-19 year olds who are not mature enough to know the "why" behind the coach psychology. I think they are great. I just wish that I had the opportunity to have one give me a few pointers before choosing colleges right out of high school. Hindsight is 20/20 but when you can pay for experienced foresight. Well, then that's priceless!

New Topic...

 

what are thoughts on these new "advisors" is it such a bad thing?

 

I imagine a lot of kids (and parents) really feel they don't know how to handle this recruiting game, and so they look to trusted sources (family / friends / HS Coach) or resort to these advisors.

 

Are these advisors any worse than the "application doctors" who have a niche helping the well-to-do get into their elite college of choice... coaching them on essays and extracurricular activity selection?

 

Do we think we'll see more of this advisor phenomenon, or is this a flash-in-the-pan phenomenon.

 

I look at the Ginns and this advisor dude... I think it will become part of the recruiting fabric.. especially in low, socio-economic areas... Miami, Texas and certain parts of Cali could become fertile grounds

 

 

 

I like them and here is why. An advisor is like a "Life Coach" they have had more experience and can interview current and former players of coaches at certain schools. If a school is recruiting a kid and the Head coach only rips and never praises and the "advisor" reps a kid who only responds to praise and gets depressed when getting "ripped" then it is not a good fit. Remember we are talking about 17-19 year olds who are not mature enough to know the "why" behind the coach psychology. I think they are great. I just wish that I had the opportunity to have one give me a few pointers before choosing colleges right out of high school. Hindsight is 20/20 but when you can pay for experienced foresight. Well, then that's priceless!

 

What happens when coach X from the state university drops a wad of cash in said "advisors" lap ? There is nothing good that can come from an "advisor".

You beat me to it Fanatic. This situation is a timebomb waiting to happen. The advisor only needs to hint ever so slightly about what it takes to sign a player ($$$), and eventually he is gonna get a taker. His head (Butler) already appears to be swelling.

I think you guys are being too harsh on these "advisors." A per se rule that says that all "advisors" is not a good way to look at it.

 

I'm sure there are some "advisors" out there that aren't looking out for the best interests of the players. There are a lot of parents that could be in that category.

 

However, I'm sure that there are more "advisors" out there that are good role models for these kids---something that this world needs more of. There are a lot of players out there (I'm not saying that Aurther Brown is one) that come from broken homes and don't have any good male role models. Anybody that is a good role model and looks out for thier best interest is a good person in my book.

 

Some have raised the point that a school could drop a wad of cash in their laps. A school could do the same with a player's high school coach or parent.

 

All I'm really trying to say that making a determination based on a few articles and not really even knowing these people is a bad way to form an opinion. I'd be willing to bet that these "advisors" will become even more common place in the world of college football recruiting, especially with the changes that have occured in the past few years.

One of the quotes that came from the article on Brian Butler (Arthur Brown's adviser) was that all the information Arthur gets is through Butler. Did that give anyone else chills? I mean really, its pretty scary when you think about it. If he wanted to, he could pick and choose the good things to feed a kid about someone, and the bad things to leave out with others. Vice virsa for a school this adviser doesn't like. Kids should be getting their own info first hand, and having others support their process of picking out a school, NOT control it.

I think you guys are being too harsh on these "advisors." A per se rule that says that all "advisors" is not a good way to look at it.

 

I'm sure there are some "advisors" out there that aren't looking out for the best interests of the players. There are a lot of parents that could be in that category.

 

However, I'm sure that there are more "advisors" out there that are good role models for these kids---something that this world needs more of. There are a lot of players out there (I'm not saying that Aurther Brown is one) that come from broken homes and don't have any good male role models. Anybody that is a good role model and looks out for thier best interest is a good person in my book.

 

Some have raised the point that a school could drop a wad of cash in their laps. A school could do the same with a player's high school coach or parent.

 

All I'm really trying to say that making a determination based on a few articles and not really even knowing these people is a bad way to form an opinion. I'd be willing to bet that these "advisors" will become even more common place in the world of college football recruiting, especially with the changes that have occured in the past few years.

 

I understand what your saying Indy, but in this case his "advisor" is really acting as an agent. As Calves said, all the information that comes and goes from Brown is through the advisor, and filtered by the that same advisor.

The issue of paying dropping cash to an advisor isn't the same as the chance of it happening to a high school coach. A high school coach has much more to lose than Brown advisor does, a high school coach would lose his coaching/teaching job and reputation because of such a payment. What does Browns advisor stand to lose, nothing.

i dunno, i think we're all being a mite bit cynical here. yes, it's OBVIOUS that a situation featuring an "advisor" could lead to wide-spread abuse. on the other hand, it's just as likely to be a good thing for an athlete and his family. esp. if his family are not an upper middle-class family wih a lot of knowledge of big-time college athletics, etc and time to spend researching and visting, etc.

 

it obviously comes down to trust but if the family feels like they *need* an

'advisor" and they trust the guy, i say give 'em the benefit of the doubt.

 

maybe i'm being naive?

i dunno, i think we're all being a mite bit cynical here. yes, it's OBVIOUS that a situation featuring an "advisor" could lead to wide-spread abuse. on the other hand, it's just as likely to be a good thing for an athlete and his family. esp. if his family are not an upper middle-class family wih a lot of knowledge of big-time college athletics, etc and time to spend researching and visting, etc.

 

it obviously comes down to trust but if the family feels like they *need* an

'advisor" and they trust the guy, i say give 'em the benefit of the doubt.

 

maybe i'm being naive?

 

If Browns advisor would let Brown talk to coaches and media and, I don't anyone would have raised any concerns. Apparently in this case however, coaches or media are not allowed to contact Brown himself, everything goes through his advisor.

To me an advisor would be approached by Brown or his family and asked for advice/opinions on things they didn't understand. The recruiting process can be very confusing and stressful and advice from someone who understand the process would be helpful.

However, Brown and his family are being fed the info the advisor deems they should know, in my book, thats an agent.

Advisors for these kids should be their parents. In the event that isn't possible it's great that someone who went through similar experiences could help said recruit through his recruitment. This should be something similar to what Deion Sanders did for Noel Devine, someone helping sort out options. Granted Deion didn't help much academically but I point that out as a reference. I know nothing about Brown's advisor nor his background. Did this guy play college ball, was he a recruit himself? Seeing as though Brown is a top notch recruit, how many calls does Butler take on any given night? I would imagine plenty. Hard to believe there isn't some ultimate payoff for this guy lending his "services". Something's rotten in Denmark if this is where recruiting is going. I hate to say it but if I were a coach I would never recruit a kid that has an agent, I mean advisor.

Something's rotten in Denmark if this is where recruiting is going.

 

Reps for a Shakespeare reference in a recruiting forum. One of my all time favorite lines.