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Something NDisNCin posted in a different thread got me thinking, and inspired this post. And considering how there are SO many guys that I've heard mentioned as guys, "You have to make room for, no matter what", It'd be nice to see how things really shake out when everyone gets taken into affect.

 

Here's mine as of today (and I KNOW ND's is different).

 

#1 - Michael Floyd

#2 - Steve Filer

 

^^^^--- Guys you take no matter what. Save a spot for them, whatever it takes. The first tier.

 

#3 - Trevor Robinson

#4 - Etienne Sabino

#5 - Marcus Forston

#6 - T.J. Bryant

#7 - Jonathan Baldwin

#8 - Dan McCarthy

#9a - Matt Patchan

#9b - Kenneth Page (I'm still stubbornly driving the Kenny Page fan bus, though the Robinson visit means the bus is real low on gas).

#11 - Ryan Williams

#12 - Jeremy Brown

#13 - Carlton Thomas

 

^^^^--- Guys you woo, show some preferential treatment to. If they visit, have a key recruiter and their position coach on hand to answer their every need, make 'em know they're loved. The second tier.

 

#14 - Will Compton

#15 - Khaled Holmes

#16 - Art Forst

#17 - Chris Harper

#18 - Kapron Lewis-Moore

#19 - Masengo Kabongo

#20 - Martavious Odoms

 

^^^^--- Third tier.

 

In the words of Rick, what say you? 8) :D

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Great theme Calves... here's mine...

 

TIER 1

 

Filer, Steve LB (because he's the best local product)

Floyd, Mike WR (critical need with talent from pipeline)

Forston, Marcus DL (because he's a beast)

Patchan, Matt OL (OL monster)

Brown, Arthur LB (talent * talent = awesome)

 

TIER 2

Baldwin, Jonathan WR (top WR wish after Floyd, insurance)

Brown, Jeremy WR (fleibility --> dependent on McCarthy)

Bryant, T.J. DB (talent, but depth is good)

Butler, Brice WR (between he and baldwin)

Hale, Shayne LB (talent)

Hill, Will DB (talent, talent, talent)

McCarthy, Dan DB (talent, heart, talent, heart, smart)

McGuffie, Sam RB (speed kills)

Robinson, Trevor OL

Sabino, Etienne LB (I like him as much as Filer, but we gotta go with the local kid)

Thomas, Carlton RB (great moves)

 

Tier 3

Holmes, Khaled OL

Jenkins, Josh OL

Lewis-Moore, Kapron DL

McGuffie, Sam RB

Odoms, Martavious WR

Page, Kenneth OL

Scott, Darrell RB

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1. Floyd

2. Filer

3. Sabino

4. Trev.

5. Patchan

6. Bryant

7. Baldwin

8. Khaled Holmes (USC lock or not, he's coming for a visit and he's good)

9. Jeremy Brown

10. McCarthy

11. Carlton Thomas

12. Ryan Williams

13. Ken Page

 

--------You may be asking, where is Forston? I don't think it's a good move to take friggen SIX DL guys. Thats overstocking in one year for only 3 DL spots. We've got ND kids at those spots already and why should they have another guy be waited for all the way until NSD. I think you stick with the guys that are awesome to begin with. Besides it's been stated that the staff was higher on Omar Hunter than Forston so thats all you need to know about that. Odoms, won't qualify and is waiting until NSD....definently not happenin. I'm not really a beleiver in Forsts abilities that much having seen him play and just uses his body to bull over people and doesn't have much technique or ability that will get him by in college besides the fact that he's going to RU. I don't see Compton getting an offer because Filer will most likely verbal to ND soon and that would mean we'd have 3 ILB's which is more than enough and he's to short and small for OLB/DE hybrid. Harper still has no ND offer, he may eventually but still none yet and he's raw and doesn't really have a position yet. Kabongo, well if I'm not waiting on Forston I'm definently not waiting on Kabongo. Alot of the guys I listed are longshots like Bryant, Patchan, Page, and Holmes but if they visited here and have an offer and are elite then they're on my list. I also don't see Cyrus Gray being recruited that much harder after we pick up some more verbals later this summer. Love it or hate it, thats my list.

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1. Floyd

2. Filer

3. Sabino

4. Trev.

5. Patchan

6. Bryant

7. Baldwin

8. Khaled Holmes (USC lock or not, he's coming for a visit and he's good)

9. Jeremy Brown

10. McCarthy

11. Carlton Thomas

12. Ryan Williams

13. Ken Page

 

--------You may be asking, where is Forston? I don't think it's a good move to take friggen SIX DL guys. Thats overstocking in one year for only 3 DL spots. We've got ND kids at those spots already and why should they have another guy be waited for all the way until NSD. I think you stick with the guys that are awesome to begin with. Besides it's been stated that the staff was higher on Omar Hunter than Forston so thats all you need to know about that. Odoms, won't qualify and is waiting until NSD....definently not happenin. I'm not really a beleiver in Forsts abilities that much having seen him play and just uses his body to bull over people and doesn't have much technique or ability that will get him by in college besides the fact that he's going to RU. I don't see Compton getting an offer because Filer will most likely verbal to ND soon and that would mean we'd have 3 ILB's which is more than enough and he's to short and small for OLB/DE hybrid. Harper still has no ND offer, he may eventually but still none yet and he's raw and doesn't really have a position yet. Kabongo, well if I'm not waiting on Forston I'm definently not waiting on Kabongo. Alot of the guys I listed are longshots like Bryant, Patchan, Page, and Holmes but if they visited here and have an offer and are elite then they're on my list. I also don't see Cyrus Gray being recruited that much harder after we pick up some more verbals later this summer. Love it or hate it, thats my list.

 

I definitely respect it. I go back and forth on the whole Forston thing... its too bad that I really like him as a prospect, 'cause logic tells me 5 is tops, especially now.

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Guest NDLawJAG

Nice lists guys.... I do think the following are interchangeable:

Sabino and Filer

Baldwin and Floyd

Once we get one of those players the other is still important but not must have. After that we go for best available players.

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Interesting that so many of you have Bryant (the number 1 corner in the country) so low on your lists. I'm assuming that's because you don't think our chances are realistic. Here's my list: (Basically, it's who I want the most to least...)

 

1. Arthur Brown

2. Michael Floyd

3. TJ Bryant

4. Steve Filer

5. Etienne Sabino

6. Patchan

7. Robinson

8. Jonathan Baldwin

9. Bryce Butler

10. Dan McCarthy

11. Marcus Forston

12. Khaled Holmes

13. Josh Jenkins

14. Kenneth Page

15. Jeremy Brown

16. Sam McGuffie

17. Carlton Thomas

18. Ryan Williams

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Now you know I have to chime in with my fide cent worth on this topic.

 

1. Floyd.....Greatest need at the moment

2. Sabino.....2nd Greatest need (don't shoot me I think he is better that Filer)

3. T. Robinson/Patchan.....Different positions, but both mean and nasty first to pull the trigger is it, done with OL

4. Baldwin.....Calvin, I mean Jonathan is playing for the next 10 years

5. McCarthy.....To damn versatile to pass up

6. Filer/Compton......Since I think Filer goes elsewhere, Compton fits the scheme well

7. Bryant/J. Brown......Bryant is the longshot, more than likely it will be JB who is no slouch

 

I think that we only have room for "7"! Forston I would love to have, but we need to show the 4 that we already have some love and support. DL is full. LBs we do need alot of. I'm stickin' to my guns about Filer going elsewhere. Plus with McDonald and Sabino are you frickin' kidding me. Lastly, I don't think that we need a running back in this class, but if I had to guess it will be Williams, which means that one of my "7" up top is out and I would say that the long shot is Baldwin. (But not that long, I still think he is very probable

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Now you know I have to chime in with my fide cent worth on this topic.

 

1. Floyd.....Greatest need at the moment

2. Sabino.....2nd Greatest need (don't shoot me I think he is better that Filer)

3. T. Robinson/Patchan.....Different positions, but both mean and nasty first to pull the trigger is it, done with OL

4. Baldwin.....Calvin, I mean Jonathan is playing for the next 10 years

5. McCarthy.....To damn versatile to pass up

6. Filer/Compton......Since I think Filer goes elsewhere, Compton fits the scheme well

7. Bryant/J. Brown......Bryant is the longshot, more than likely it will be JB who is no slouch

 

I think that we only have room for "7"! Forston I would love to have, but we need to show the 4 that we already have some love and support. DL is full. LBs we do need alot of. I'm stickin' to my guns about Filer going elsewhere. Plus with McDonald and Sabino are you frickin' kidding me. Lastly, I don't think that we need a running back in this class, but if I had to guess it will be Williams, which means that one of my "7" up top is out and I would say that the long shot is Baldwin. (But not that long, I still think he is very probable

 

------I used to think Filer would end up elsewhere also. Key word "USED TO" if you have followed his recruitment recently at all you'd realize that it's almost in the bank for us. Unless he pulls a shocker and goes to OSU, which I don't think he will.

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I say we're taking 25 and they would be... for the top class in the land...

 

 

1. Filer

2. Floyd

3. McCarthy

4. Brown

5. Robinson

6. Sabino

7. Butler

8. Will Hill/ Forston... If these were the last two guys left... I'd say goodbye to both Crum and Lambert... But those guys are going to have great years and get drafted... Sabino would come in early and take his job...

 

And in looking at that list we could be done by fall camp and just wait on those two guys... I think we could end up doing that...

I wouldn't say that isn't unattainable...

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I think its obtainable too TAA! However, as I've said for the last 3 weeks, Filer is going elsewhere so plug Compton in his slot.

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I say we're taking 25 and they would be... for the top class in the land...

 

 

1. Filer

2. Floyd

3. McCarthy

4. Brown

5. Robinson

6. Sabino

7. Butler

8. Will Hill/ Forston... If these were the last two guys left... I'd say goodbye to both Crum and Lambert... But those guys are going to have great years and get drafted... Sabino would come in early and take his job...

 

And in looking at that list we could be done by fall camp and just wait on those two guys... I think we could end up doing that...

I wouldn't say that isn't unattainable...

 

Your saying Sabino as a freshman would come in and take Mo Crum's job? Not a chance.

 

Won't matter though, if Crum is healthy he's goin to the league.

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Crum not being taken back for a 5th year just shows how caught up you people get in recruiting. It's a no brainer that Weis will take back our best defensive player on the side of the ball where theres not much experience and talent coming back from those classes. Get your head out of your a**.

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Crum not being taken back for a 5th year just shows how caught up you people get in recruiting. It's a no brainer that Weis will take back our best defensive player on the side of the ball where theres not much experience and talent coming back from those classes. Get your head out of your a**.

 

IK, your correct assuming that IF both Crum and Weis want a 5th year. Crum may have a good enough year to go to the NFL, or he may not want to apply/get accepted into grad school, its hard to say, but a 5th year has to be agreed upon by both parties - I think its more up to Crum than CW.

I think you are correct in saying that if Crum wants to come back for a 5th yr, CW will let him.

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Crum not being taken back for a 5th year just shows how caught up you people get in recruiting. It's a no brainer that Weis will take back our best defensive player on the side of the ball where theres not much experience and talent coming back from those classes. Get your head out of your a**.

 

well, crum was our best defender *last* year. let's see what happens this fall...

 

but i agree he would be most likely welcomed back. but he may be the 4th best D-player by then. at least, we ALL ought to hope he is, if ya know what i mean..

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Lets look at it from another perspective....

 

I think we get 5-6 of these players before the season starts:

Filer

Sabino

Floyd

Willaims

McCarthy

Brown

Robinson

Baldwin

Compton

 

We then will hold off on other commits until the NSD time frame and will continue to recruit some of the above players as well as the NSD announcers like:

Forsten

A. Brown

Patchan

etc.

 

By continueing to recruit these four and five star type players, it will prevent the current players from reconsidering because they will know that they will lose their seat on the bus. If one does decommit, we will have a backup. We then take 0-3 players around NSD.

 

We then have a couple spots for 5th year players.

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Hey LawJAG by my count that is possible 8 commits this year, plus Crum at 5th year if he doesn't get snagged by the NFL, which I think he will. (On a side note I think he gets considered for the season ending linebacking award.) We are at 17 now, with your list that could possibly end up at 26 or 27. We have no room for that many. IMO I think that the class will top out at 24...7 more commits...and no 5th years next year. I know that we have Lambert in the pic for 5th year, but I think that there are too many waiting in the wings to give him that 5th year. I think that several of our guys will get alot of playing time this year so we won't have to worry about lack of experience in 08'! Rock-on-Irish!!!

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Hey LawJAG by my count that is possible 8 commits this year, plus Crum at 5th year if he doesn't get snagged by the NFL, which I think he will. (On a side note I think he gets considered for the season ending linebacking award.) We are at 17 now, with your list that could possibly end up at 26 or 27. We have no room for that many. IMO I think that the class will top out at 24...7 more commits...and no 5th years next year. I know that we have Lambert in the pic for 5th year, but I think that there are too many waiting in the wings to give him that 5th year. I think that several of our guys will get alot of playing time this year so we won't have to worry about lack of experience in 08'! Rock-on-Irish!!!

 

NDGirlzRock, interesting that your take is "no 5th years next year"... it just makes me think about the way Dan McCarthy has spoken about playing with his brother. Kyle redshirted, and whenever Dan has spoken with the media, hes pretty much bank on being together 2 years with Kyle... only way they get that is through a 5th year of eligibility. Just something to keep in mind, seeing as his brother's presence is a part of Dan's recruitment.

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