Guest SirJohn Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I read Lou Somoglyl's many paged interview at Blue and Gold avialable at BGS, with Weis. We now stand at 17 commits. IMHO we have one more as summer fades. 18. Weis said you always keep a couple for (late bloomers)The Army o9r now florida putting on a cap guys. That's 20. Then a couple for walk ons... thats, 22. Current thinking is just 22 23 for ND this year so the bus left the stadium with one more guy. Opinions??? We don't want to hurt next get's generation of recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AtlantaIrish Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I think we take as many as possible. We can't think about next year's class, we need to make sure we get as many high rated prospects as possible this year while we are hot in recruiting. I think we could get as many as 26 guys this year. I just don't believe that Charlie would cap us out at 23 especially if he knows some four and five star guys still want to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shark83 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 IMO, 21-23. It's a very good size, yet it doesn't leave CW with a very small class (Looks like it will be high teens next year, but the more we take this year affects next year's number). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakko Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 IMO, 21-23. It's a very good size, yet it doesn't leave CW with a very small class (Looks like it will be high teens next year, but the more we take this year affects next year's number). Keeping it to 21 will be tough, if we have 20 by the end of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SpanishElite Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think we take as many as possible. We can't think about next year's class, we need to make sure we get as many high rated prospects as possible this year while we are hot in recruiting. I think we could get as many as 26 guys this year. I just don't believe that Charlie would cap us out at 23 especially if he knows some four and five star guys still want to come. I agree 100% Making sure were not lobsided is a good thing, but we need kids (defensive kids) on the ND campus as soon as possible. I was talking to my brother about ND recruiting, and its hard to imagine that these kids wont play for ND at the earlest the Fall of 2008. I think we should get as many players as Coach Weis and Coach Brown think can play (no reaches). And worry about the size of next years class next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Black Irish9 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think ideally we would fill out to 24 with only the offers we have out now. The only reason I think we should go higher is if its for an absolute elite talent, like Arthur Brown or Will Hill. My worry is not next year's recruiting class, but the amount of scholarships available for 5th year seniors. If it comes down to it, it could be much more valuable to have Crum or Lambert back for a 5th year, helping ND win right away, than to give that scholarship to a player who may or may not pan out. That may seem short sighted, but we really can't afford to have more than one down year if we want to keep recruiting with the big boys. I want the young talent, but we need the wins to keep them coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishKnight1023 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think ideally we would fill out to 24 with only the offers we have out now. The only reason I think we should go higher is if its for an absolute elite talent, like Arthur Brown or Will Hill. My worry is not next year's recruiting class, but the amount of scholarships available for 5th year seniors. If it comes down to it, it could be much more valuable to have Crum or Lambert back for a 5th year, helping ND win right away, than to give that scholarship to a player who may or may not pan out. That may seem short sighted, but we really can't afford to have more than one down year if we want to keep recruiting with the big boys. I want the young talent, but we need the wins to keep them coming. -------^^ Exactly people just write off the 5th years, but they aren't thinking rationally. Crum is a lock to come back, he's like Hoyte and he won't get drafted high or at all. Lambert unless he dominates this year won't leave early. IF Justin Brown has a good year expect him to come back because of the lack of DL upperclassman. I see us taking 23-24 in the end with definently non over that mark. Add to the fact that most players don't leave ND early in the first place. Darius was just a tard and left when he isn't an NFL caliber back anyway and he went undrafted, but he wasn't recruited by Weis so I think the kids that come here will be smart and accually will ASK Weis' opinion on leaving early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish21 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Your right on Darius. But IMO, he had a better shot at getting drafted this year than next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishKnight1023 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Your right on Darius. But IMO, he had a better shot at getting drafted this year than next year. --------True, but someone has to be there to tell him he should've known he wasn't NFL material in the first place. Who else at other schools leaves early to not get drafted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish21 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Who else at other schools leaves early to not get drafted? I dont think there was anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Your right on Darius. But IMO, he had a better shot at getting drafted this year than next year. i respect the hell out of you, irish21 *and* knight but you guys are just plain WRONG on this. darius was NEVER going to have a better showcase for himself than last year. he had maybe his best game against LSU, so he figured with 3 RB's fighting behind him, he was *bound* to get less carries and less chance to showcase himself. add in the fact that quinn was leaving along with the starting wideouts, etc. he figured he wasn't gonna have a better year on a "rebuilding" team! come on, use some logic here! he made a well-reasoned decision it just didn't work out. but he was NOT going to improve his draft stock at ALL by staying for his senior year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCalves Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think you should reread that one BI. They are saying his best shot at getting drafted was this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think you should reread that one BI. They are saying his best shot at getting drafted was this year. calves, i was responding to knight calling darius a "tard" and irish21 said " your right about darius," so i assumed that he agreed with knight. re-reading i do see that irish21 said darius should've come out this year but i guess i'm confused on why he said knight's statement was "right." guess i'm confused...and don't mean to take the conversation off-topic. sorry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PursuitAce Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I know it's not the ND way, but for us to maintain a high level of recruiting won't it be better if some of the 5th years don't come back as well as we start getting SOME early outs to the NFL? I'm talking within a few years... Or do you see continued success in recruiting even though we might start having some logjams at positions which could cost us some top level recruits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blarney_stank Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I know we have all been frustrated with Darius at times but I also think we tend to be too hard on the guy. Darius did a lot of good things at Notre Dame when there weren't a lot of bright spots. Did he live up to everyone's expecatations? At times, yes. More often then not, not really. That being said, I think the "tard" designation is not only incorrect but inappropriate. I don't mean to sound like I'm getting on anyone's case and I don't want to get too politically correct here but our coach has a developmentally delayed child and I doubt he would approve of that phrase. Darius left when he should and regardless of if he stayed or not, he probably would have had the same draft outcome last year or this one. It was a roll of the dice that didnt pay off. It is easy to be an armchair quarterback looking back on the decision. I for one, thought it was the right call at the time. Now back to the topic. I think we have to leave the option open for elite talent. If that means we get pushed to 24 or even 25 recruits we have to consider taking those guys. I know 5th years can help you immediately but these are the kind of hard choices that you like to make. We have really come a long way in a few short years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirodomer Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 The only way a 5th year should see the field is if they were injured and or redshirted. Other than that, if they didn't hit the field in four then out the door. I could give a crap about ND tradition. The only tradition we have lately is choking and losing the big ones. The only reason we have played 5th years in the past is because our coaches couldn't recruit. The fastest way to "Kill" recruiting is to bring in all these stars and make them sit behind mediocre,at best, talent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NDGirlzRock Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I'm putting my hat in the ring for 24 recruits! Any takers on a potential bet!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfschellcrna Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I'm putting my hat in the ring for 24 recruits! Any takers on a potential bet!!! potential bet????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty88 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 The only way a 5th year should see the field is if they were injured and or redshirted. Other than that, if they didn't hit the field in four then out the door. I could give a crap about ND tradition. The only tradition we have lately is choking and losing the big ones. The only reason we have played 5th years in the past is because our coaches couldn't recruit. The fastest way to "Kill" recruiting is to bring in all these stars and make them sit behind mediocre,at best, talent! 5th year are ND's equivalent to redshirts. Every program redshirts, why shouldn't ND? Alot of times it takes time for players to fill out physically, ie Kallen Wade. I understand your point because I think you're talking about players Charlie didn't recruit himself. 5th year players have had little or nothing to do with the bowl streak or losing the big ones. If these "stars" come in and sit it's because they haven't worked their way up the chart....Charlie says the best play, regardless of what class they're in. 5th year players are integral to the system, they are leaders on the field after being in the system, no way should they be discarded. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NDGirlzRock Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Potential bet on how many totaly recruits we get this year!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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