Guest seniorle Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=218071 looks like he thinks Frazer is gone. I think he's patting himself on the back a little too much for ranking him lower than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishKnight1023 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Link doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AtlantaIrish Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Farrell is a jackass hack. He presumes things instead of actually talking to coaches and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 lINK IS DOWN........ I WISH FRAZER LUCK WHEREVER. HE WAS MY CHOICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCalves Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Lets see if this one works: http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=218071 Mike Farrell is in my dog house for tooting the Omar Hunter to Michigan horn even after the rumors were well circulated, and essentially validated in multiple ways. Its just his opinion with Frazer, so its just the same old same old that we do on this board ourselves, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty88 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 lINK IS DOWN........ I WISH FRAZER LUCK WHEREVER. HE WAS MY CHOICE Why? He obviously wasn't the best of the bunch. Edit: Nevermind John, not opening that can of worms.....I think I know the answer already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gallup21 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Frazer was my favorite (as you all know) not my choice in the end but as SJ said i wish him luck where ever he goes, if he goes. That said, he'll probably go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JerseyDomer Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 where is a guy who was/is 4th on his team's depth chart as a QB going to go and make an impact? You seem to get the sense that people believe he's gonna go and start at a top team. I'm sorry but no wish you luck to a guy who FLEES ND. Who rooted for Olsen when he ran away to Miami? Who rooted for Talley when he wagged to Delaware? If he believes he's top QB talent and able to win at a big time school at the collegiate level, then prove people wrong here at ND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JerseyDomer Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Zach is the same kid who when asked during Spring practice, he replied that in his eyes HE was the #1 guy. Granted you should think that, but none of the other 3 ND QB's were so bold in their words. Now he's gonna jump ship? Imagine the outcry if it were Jimmy who said in his eyes he's the #1 guy. You'd have the Domers who secretly wish ILL WILL onto Jimmy yellin and screamin bout what a punk Jimmy is and attitude, etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest seniorle Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Sorry about that fellas, link fixed. it was mentioned that Zach could got to a MAC school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty88 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Frazer was my favorite (as you all know) not my choice in the end but as SJ said i wish him luck where ever he goes, if he goes. That said, he'll probably go You've gotten to know him through conversations Nick, much different than naming him your favorite because you don't like the "loud-mouthed" black kid from Chicago or the spiky-haired "punk" from Cali. I think we can leave placing judgement of our players and recruits to Charlie and staff, people who know them on a one on one basis rather than taking a quote and misconstruing it. I guess you come to expect it from those 65 and up, they grew up in a different world and can't embrace the world we live in now. It's kind of sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND FANATIC Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Sorry about that fellas, link fixed. it was mentioned that Zach could got to a MAC school. He could come to UT (Toledo), I'll go out and root for him. Jersey, I'm not with you on this one. The case with Olsen and Talley was completely different than it is with Zach. In so many words, CW has basically told Zach he doesn't want him on the team. What would you like him to do, give up the joy of playing football so he can stay on a team that the coach doesn't want him on, give me a break. Olsen and Talley left because they were not happy with the team/university. Zach has said, and I believe him, that he loves ND. He also loves and deserves to play football. Him transfering and opening up his scholarship for the team, would benefit ND not hurt them. So yeah, if he comes to Toledo to play, I'm going out and root for him, he loves ND as much as any of us, but he doesn't fit into CW plan, so why should he stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest seniorle Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 That's a great post Fanatic. Sometimes guys just don't fit into the plan the way it was first thought up, that appears to be the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 i like his style, read back into Nicks first interviewwith Zach, He knows there will be cliches and disention on a team. ( Come on you darn well know if it is not your guy you lay down some on a play not to spark him. That's life guys. I had a major article in here on some guy from Ark came to ND. He said his job was to protect the QB and when Mitch Mustaing got into that mess he was helpless. This is an ND guy? He is just my guy. I think 3-4 months ago Svoboda in a galaxy far far away mentioned that a scource close to DJ said Zach was a "DOUCE BAG" I came out all hot on that but Svo had the source. We must have no cliches at ND. It's self destructive. It's why I do not like the big mouthed general DD. Speak softly and carry a big stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miragesmack Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I agree Fanatic 100% Different situation. CW ultimately needs (not wants) Fraser to transfer because he sees that PT is minimal to non existant at best for him. Zach does not want to leave I am guessing, but he has to if he wants to play. He may be doing Zach a favor, unless you are like me who believes a ND education is worth gold. I definately think he can find a top 25 team that needs him, but maybe not a top 10 team. Or he can find another top educational school, since that is what he is leaving. I am guessing there is more to the story than we know and that info is guiding Zach right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty88 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 This is the first that I've ever heard about any negative statements from Double D towards Zack..unless you personally heard that I wouldn't use that as a basis to call someone the "the big mouthed general DD". What you might not have considered is what happened during his recruitment, teams recruiting him insisting that he wasn't a QB, that he would fit better a WR or another position. This comes back to the "black quarterback" stereotype, that Double D had the physical attributes but maybe not the mental. How can you not take that as a slap to the face? "You're athletic enough, not smart enough". Of course you're going to say something, you're going to insist that you're a LEADER. It's called defending yourself John. You insist you "like his style", obviously Charlie pinned his "style" fourth out of 4. Think back (I know it seems like eons ago) to last season, almost everytime Charlie was shown on the sidelines who was next to him....Double D. Where was Zack? Maybe he should have followed "the big mouthed general DD" in observing Charlie. I have no ill will towards Zack, I wish him and his family the best. As far as speaking softly John, where was that attitude a couple weeks ago when your foot was jammed in your mouth? Oh yeah, you were too busy typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCalves Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I'm with seniorle on this issue. The coaching staff is telling Zach in no uncertain terms that he's not in Notre Dame's plans. In other words (and this is not meant to be mean), he's dead weight. A great kid, a Notre Dame guy through and through, but he's just not there right now, and the rest of the pack will more than likely leave him behind. Lets say he stays. Assuming another guy's career isn't derailed by injury, or transfer, when Crist walks on campus thats 5 scholarship QBs - 1 too many by Weis' standards, who has said he wants to bring in 1 QB each year. And with Frazer already behind the rest of the pack, he's going to face even stiffer competition, as the years go on. Meanwhile, the success we're seeing on the recruiting trail is such that we're already getting nervous about whether there will be enough spots for guys like Dan McCarthy, Carlton Thomas, Steve Filer or Etienne Sabino. Any one of these guys could get pretty easily squeezed, if the roster makeup stays the same, and that would be a shame. McCarthy is our #1 safety target. Carlton Thomas has become our #1 RB target. Filer was among the first offered. Sabino is the best OLB prospect on the board. These are all very talented guys that could start for Notre Dame in the future, or even contribute to the team year 1. Yet all of them have been mentioned as candidates to get left out in the cold, by one person or another - and not specifically referring to DD. The way I see it, the rewards outweigh the risks here by letting Frazer transfer. If Zach decides to stay, it certainly won't be the end of the world at all, but it probably means one of the top tier recruits we're targeting gets left behind. I wish Zach well, but if the staff is confident enough to single Frazer out as the guy behind everyone else, I as a fan have to trust them, and move on. Weis hasn't made many gaffs when it comes to his depth chart before, so I'll chose to trust him again, while finding the silver lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JerseyDomer Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Sorry about that fellas, link fixed. it was mentioned that Zach could got to a MAC school. He could come to UT (Toledo), I'll go out and root for him. Jersey, I'm not with you on this one. The case with Olsen and Talley was completely different than it is with Zach. In so many words, CW has basically told Zach he doesn't want him on the team. What would you like him to do, give up the joy of playing football so he can stay on a team that the coach doesn't want him on, give me a break. Olsen and Talley left because they were not happy with the team/university. Zach has said, and I believe him, that he loves ND. He also loves and deserves to play football. Him transfering and opening up his scholarship for the team, would benefit ND not hurt them. So yeah, if he comes to Toledo to play, I'm going out and root for him, he loves ND as much as any of us, but he doesn't fit into CW plan, so why should he stay. Olsen and Talley just 2 names of guys who LEFT ND. Olsen I believe was bcuz of his father. Talley was told he would play a role with the team different than what he thought he should or wanted to play-so he bolted Zach was told basically the same thing, you're 4th string QB right now. So he's gonna bolt? How are those 2 different? Just cuz Zach says he loves ND that makes it diferent? Bottom line is if Zach leaves, he will then be in the same group of everyone who's ever LEFT ND. I doubt CW told Zach he doesn't want him on the team. If he said that then I doubt Zach would still be around or that Mr. Frazer wouldn';t have mentioned it. You make it sound like Zach would be doing something noble towards us if he transfers and opens up a schollie. Why should he stay? Didn't he COMMITT to ND? Didn't he sign his letter of intent to attend ND and accept a 4yr scholarship? Didn't we tell the QB's we were recruitin that yr that we were takin 2 QB's and thats it? Didn't we turn Mustain away cause Weis HONORED his pledge to Zach and DD that we would only take 2 QB's? Where is the HONOR in return from Zach? We bash Greg and Chris Little for publicly committing to ND and then not signing. We bash Trattou for spurning us.We bash Arrelious Benn for not honoring his silent verbal to ND but we want to send off a guy who is doing the EXACT same thing, actually worse seeing that he's already supposed to be " part of the family " with the best luck and wishes? Seems a lil F'd up to me Hey, I can understand where Nick is coming from, he knows Zach personally so it's different. But for a ND fan who doesn't personally know a kid to wish him the best of luck after LEAVING? And I also do not like the fact that a kid who's seem and studied our playbook as a QB to leave. Sorry, maybe I'm a little screwed up in the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scooper Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Zach may have been told in no uncertain terms that he's not in the plans, but that is not the same as saying he is unwanted. I can't see him being even gently nudged out. However, jersey, I think you are off base. Where can a #4 guy make an impact? Immediately nowhere. But the kid has a live arm. He needs a little polish. Weis doesn't have the market cornered on coaching up QB's. If Zach goes to a program that won't need him for 2 years, that may be the perfect fit for him. Keep in mind, this was a race to start at QB now. Just because he's not as ready now as the other three doesn't mean he never will be. Zak Kustok was once #4 at ND and transferred to Northwestern and led them to some nice wins. And he had nowhere near the upside Frazer supposedly does. Upside doesn't equal immediate readiness, remember. As for dormroom rumors, etc...we've all heard things about a lot of the kids. Who knows what is true. Saying he was the #1 guy was probably not smart, but I don't think it was classless. He didn't put the others down. Now, as he approaches a tough decision to leave, his family is saying nothing but great things about the university, the program and the coaches. Why any ND fan can't take pride in that and wish him well is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miragesmack Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 "And I also do not like the fact that a kid who's seem and studied our playbook as a QB to leave. " CW won't let him go to a team that we play, ND and CW policy. And ZF doesn't strike me as the type to give the playbook out to every Tom Dick and Harry. Sorry, but I still wish him the best, because it most likely will not affect ND at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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