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With Lane Clelland committing out of the blue, the Fighting Irish class now stands at 12 commitments. So much for being a Michigan lean, huh? Anyway, his commitment puts our 2008 scholarship total at 79 ships, just 6 shy of the NCAA maximum 85 scholarship limit assuming ALL eligible fifth year seniors return.

 

Granted, the likelihood of all fifth year seniors returning is low. They first have to be invited back or want to come back, and then they must be accepted into a graduate program -- so it's not a given by any means. As I've said before, I think Weis will be very selective in who he offers a fifth year of eligiblity to, especially as he works to get to consistent classes and depth.

 

Another thing that will be interesting and worth keeping an eye on is the possibility of transfers from the current sophomore class, where Weis took 28 recruits. If Jimmy Clausen wins the quarterback battle or is named the backup, it's possible that you could see Zach Frazer look elsewhere for playing time.

 

Scholarship Breakdown: 2008 Total Scholarhips (79)

 

Fifth Year Senior 2008 (7)

 

RB Junior Jabbie

DE Justin Brown

LB Maurice Crum Jr, Anthony Vernaglia

CB Terrail Lambert, Leo Ferrine

LS J.J. Jansen

 

Senior 2009 (14)

 

QB Evan Sharpley *

RB Asaph Schwapp **

WR David Grimes, D.J. Hord **

OT Paul Duncan, Mike Turkovich

DT Patrick Kuntz, Derrell Hand *

LB Steve Quinn, Scott Smith, Kevin Washington *

S David Bruton, Ray Herring, Kyle McCarthy *

 

Junior 2010 (28)

 

QB Zach Frazer *, Demetrius Jones *

RB James Aldridge, Munir Prince, Luke Schmidt *

WR George West, Richard Jackson, Rob Parris *, Barry Gallup *

TE Konrad Reuland, Will Yeatman

OT Sam Young, Bartely Webb *

C Dan Wenger *

OG Eric Olsen, Chris Stewart * , Matt Carufel *

DE John Ryan, Kallen Wade *

DT Paddy Mullen *

LB Toryan Smith, Morrice Richardson

CB Darrin Walls, Raeshon McNeil

S Sergio Brown, Jashaad Gaines, Leonard Gordon *

K Ryan Burkhart

 

Sophomore 2011 (18)

 

QB Jimmy Clausen

RB Armando Allen, Robert Hughes

WR Duval Kamara, Golden Tate

TE Mike Ragone

OT Matt Romine, Taylor Dever

OG Emeka Nwankwo

DE Kerry Neal

DT Ian Williams, Andrew Nuss

LB Aaron Nagel, Steve Paskorz, Brian Smith

CB Gary Gray

S Harrison Smith

K Brandon Walker

 

Freshman 2012 (12)

 

QB Dayne Crist

WR John Goodman

TE Kyle Rudolph, Joseph Fauria

OT Lane Clelland

C Mike Golic, Braxston Cave

DE Sean Cwynar, Hafis Williams

ILB Anthony McDonald, Paul Posluszny

OLB Darius Fleming

 

ASTERISK LEGEND

* = Player may be eligible for 5th year of eligibility

** = May be granted medical redshirt

 

Current Recruiting Class

 

I've always felt this class would hold 22 recruits and I still feel that way. Taking 22 recruits would leave room for 3 fifth year seniors and/or walk on players, which is a reasonable number in my opinion. If we do end up having a transfer, I think that individual's scholarship will be added to this class since we only took 18 last year.

 

Having 12 commitments this early in the year means the Irish staff can really focus on those last ten recruits. We're already done at the quarterback and tight end positions, and we're close to being done on the offensive line and at linebacker.

 

My Anticipated Position Breakdown

 

QB (1) Dayne Crist

RB (1) None

WR (3) John Goodman

TE (2) Kyle Rudolph, Joseph Fauria

OL (4) Lane Clelland, Mike Golic, Braxston Cave

DL (4) Sean Cwynar, Hafis Williams

ILB (4) Anthony McDonald, Paul Posluszny, Darius Fleming

DB (3) None

 

The above breakdown is a well balanced class, with the Irish loading up at positions of need including the defensive line, linebacker and at wide receiver. If the Irish end up having a player transfer, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5th linebacker or lineman added to the class to welcome in the 3-4 with as many talented bodies as possible. There also is a possibility that the Irish would tuck that scholarship in the reserves, since the next year will be very tight on scholarships.

 

While we've got a good idea of how our class will end up already (man, it feels good, doesn't it?), we'll probably have a great idea of our final class by late August or early September, when quite a few of the prospects we're recruiting have planned to announce so they can focus on their senior seasons.

 

2009 Recruiting Class - A Potentially Sticky Situation

 

After the 2008 class is settled, the Irish could be faced with a potentially sticky situation in recruiting come 2009. Assuming that we end up with 22 recruits in the 2008 recruiting class and all 6 fifth year seniors come back, the Irish will have only 11 open scholarships in 2009.

 

However, much like 2008, it's doubtful that all 6 would be invited back, but even with none of them returning, that would only allow us a class size of 17 recruits. Let's take a look at how this would break down:

 

2009 Total Scholarships (74)

 

Fifth Year Senior 2009 (6)

 

QB Evan Sharpley

RB Asaph Schwapp

WR D.J. Hord

DT Derrell Hand

LB Kevin Washington

S Kyle McCarthy

 

Senior 2010 (28)

 

QB Zach Frazer *, Demetrius Jones *

RB James Aldridge, Munir Prince, Luke Schmidt *

WR George West, Richard Jackson, Rob Parris, Barry Gallup *

TE Konrad Reuland, Will Yeatman

OT Sam Young, Bartely Webb *

C Dan Wenger *

OG Eric Olsen, Matt Carufel, Chris Stewart *

DE John Ryan, Kallen Wade *

DT Paddy Mullen *

LB Toryan Smith, Morrice Richardson

CB Darrin Walls, Raeshon McNeil

S Sergio Brown, Jashaad Gaines, Leonard Gordon *

K Ryan Burkhart

 

Junior 2011 (18)

 

QB Jimmy Clausen

RB Armando Allen, Robert Hughes

WR Duval Kamara, Golden Tate

TE Mike Ragone

OT Matt Romine, Taylor Dever

OG Emeka Nwankwo

DE Kerry Neal

DT Ian Williams, Andrew Nuss

LB Aaron Nagel, Steve Paskorz, Brian Smith

CB Gary Gray

S Harrison Smith

K Brandon Walker

 

Sophomore 2012 (12)

 

QB Dayne Crist

WR John Goodman

TE Kyle Rudolph, Joseph Fauria

OT Lane Clelland

C Mike Golic, Braxston Cave

DE Sean Cwynar, Hafis Williams

ILB Anthony McDonald, Paul Posluszny

OLB Darius Fleming

 

So there you have it. This is a glimpse into the next two years of Fighting Irish recruiting and what the Irish coaching staff will (or won't) have to work with. Talent development is going to become absolutely crucial over the next 24 months.

 

I can't wait to see how things turn out!

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Very thorough brakedown. I personally hope your projections are right with this class, particularly when it comes to DB's. However, two things you should know:

 

1. Weis mentioned to one of his recruits - Garret Goebel? - that they're looking to bring in 5 DL. Whether that happens, or is just talk, remains to be seen.

 

2. Expect Nick to swoop in, and refute any possibility of Zach Frazer transfering, in 5, 4, 3....

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Great post Svoboda, lots of great information. With next yrs class being limited in size, if we can have a good offensive year and CB can turn around the def, we might be able to be a little more selective next year with schollies. It may be a small class, but that doesn't mean that it can't be a great class.

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Svo, i keep saying this to everyone and you never listen huh? :D Zach is not transferring. End of discussion

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Very nice breakdown... :lol: :lol:

 

I feel bad i didnt say that in my first post...EXCEPT for the Fraz part haha it was a very nice breakdown

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great to hear from you Svo. I think you're right that Weis will be very spartan with giving out 5 years. I do think that there's a strong chance he gives a scholarship to Bemenderfer this summer or next spring though.

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Svo, great post and extremely thorough. I also really agreed with your breakdown of how many recruits for each position.

 

Transfers will add more scholarships. I have no idea who but as always, we will have transfers. That's a good thing. Increased talent leads to the bottom guys leaving. These are guys who are not seeing the field, thus allowing for additional recruits. That's recruiting and college football. Transfers will always be a part of it.

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Svo, i keep saying this to everyone and you never listen huh? :D Zach is not transferring. End of discussion

I know, I know. The only reason why I think he'll eventually end up leaving is the current discussion that Clausen and Jones are 1a and 1b.

 

If you were faced with being the third string quarterback without little playing time in the future, it's going to eventually stir up questions on whether or not a change of scenery would do your career better.

 

Would he really be content on being a career backup at Notre Dame as opposed to getting burn at another school? Guess only Zach will be able to answer that question, but that would be tough for someone as competitive and driven as Zach is -- and that's not discounting him by any means as he's just stuck behind two prospects with amazing ceilings.

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I know, I know. The only reason why I think he'll eventually end up leaving is the current discussion that Clausen and Jones are 1a and 1b.

 

If you were faced with being the third string quarterback without little playing time in the future, it's going to eventually stir up questions on whether or not a change of scenery would do your career better.

 

Would he really be content on being a career backup at Notre Dame as opposed to getting burn at another school? Guess only Zach will be able to answer that question, but that would be tough for someone as competitive and driven as Zach is -- and that's not discounting him by any means as he's just stuck behind two prospects with amazing ceilings.

 

Svo, asked his dad about the transfering when this scenario turned up. His dad said Zach is there to get a degree too, not only play football. Zach said in his interview in Feb 2006 (im paraphrasing here) a degree is worth much more at ND then a lot of other places. You have to think about life after football too. And Zach's dad said hed do just that.

 

And for the last part about being stuck behind two prospects w/amazing ceilings. Zach's ceiling is growing to the day, and as Ian Williams would put it..all this talk is "fuel to Zach's fire"

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Wow, 55 mins, what took so long Nick ? :)

 

Well actually theres a reason that you guys might like to here. As some of you may know, ive played soccer for 10 years and its pretty much my sports life...Well, this fall im 97.2% sure im switching to football! so i was with a trainer working on the ladder and on catching....i want to play WR...be like a big Wes Kemp type

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Hey Svo, glad your here at DD.

 

Kinda weird to see you as a "Freshmen" any place. :lol: Happy as all Hell I helped you get in to DD in a small way and You always have been always will be an important ND poster and perhaps the most knowledgeable recrutnick.

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I was talking to you earlier about that, but what is your weight and height currently?

 

I'd have to weigh myself again, but I am 6"2 and about 165-170 lb more or less. a little thin for TE i think...and ive always dreamed of playing wide out

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Wow, 55 mins, what took so long Nick ? :)

 

Well actually theres a reason that you guys might like to here. As some of you may know, ive played soccer for 10 years and its pretty much my sports life...Well, this fall im 97.2% sure im switching to football! so i was with a trainer working on the ladder and on catching....i want to play WR...be like a big Wes Kemp type

 

Good for you Nick, It'll be hard work, but its worth it.

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Svo, i keep saying this to everyone and you never listen huh? :D Zach is not transferring. End of discussion

I know, I know. The only reason why I think he'll eventually end up leaving is the current discussion that Clausen and Jones are 1a and 1b.

 

If you were faced with being the third string quarterback without little playing time in the future, it's going to eventually stir up questions on whether or not a change of scenery would do your career better.

 

Would he really be content on being a career backup at Notre Dame as opposed to getting burn at another school? Guess only Zach will be able to answer that question, but that would be tough for someone as competitive and driven as Zach is -- and that's not discounting him by any means as he's just stuck behind two prospects with amazing ceilings.

 

I like alot of things here.

 

1.) I like that Nick is speaking first hand, and possibly from the heart...I really like that.

 

2.) Svoboda is speaking logically. There is substance in what he is sharing...I like this.

 

3.) I am really glad to see Svoboda here at Domer Domain.

 

I have to be very honest here. I felt that along with our past seniors leaving...so did the the bulk of our offense. I saw our running game as being the backbone of our upcoming season. I thought that Demetrius was going to be the answer to the QB situation. I thought he was going to add a dimension...be an option. Then I saw Jimmy as being our answer. Heck, I saw him play a few games at Oaks Christian...he is the real deal.

 

What I did not take into consideration was Zach. I am guilty of this. But while Zach has many attributes to go with his skills and heart, he has another thing going for him...people like gallup21 who will not let us forget him. Because of the perserverance...I am starting to feel differently...I believe Zach can do it!

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