Guest irishrick Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Can Quinn silence doubters at Combine? COLLEGE ERIC HANSEN Tribune Staff Writer He often lingers at the Athletes' Performance Institute in Tempe, Ariz., after hours, putting in a voluntary 75-minute boxing workout after everyone else has dispersed for the night. During his lunch break, Brady Quinn likes to hook himself up to a 3D vision-testing machine that, in theory, sharpens the small muscles in his eyes to give him that much more reaction time to deal with oncoming defensive linemen. So driven, so stubborn, so absolutely steadfast is the former Notre Dame quarterback to be the top pick in the next NFL Draft (April 28-29), he refused to skip a workout to take an afternoon flight to the Super Bowl in Miami earlier this month. Instead, he took a red-eye from Phoenix after completing his 12-hour-plus regimen, then headed to a gym in Miami for an hour-plus session shortly after stepping off the plane. Men's Heath Magazine was so taken by Quinn's workouts, it's going to make him the cover story for the July/August issue. "This all goes back to last year, making a decision to come back to school after my junior year," said Quinn, who deleted 36 school records during his time at Notre Dame. "At that point, I knew what I wanted do and how I wanted to approach things. I approached football this year almost like an internship. I haven't changed since." But some perceptions of Quinn seem to have. The man who spent most of the 2006 college football season as the foregone conclusion to be this year's No. 1 draft choice, heads into the NFL Scouting Combine (Thursday through Feb. 27) as the player seemingly most likely to end up in a draft story with unflattering comments affixed to his name. Perhaps the most biting came in a recent story by The Sporting News' Steve Greenberg in which he quoted an unnamed scout as saying the 6-foot-4, 235-pound Quinn was "the biggest fraud in the draft." Greenberg goes on to point out two other scouts who project Quinn as a third- or fourth-round talent. ESPN's Todd McShay, meanwhile, wrote Quinn is the player out of the 300-some invitees who has the most to prove at the combine and projects Quinn as the eighth pick of the draft. Some projections have Quinn falling out of the Top 10 -- all prognostications that seem to fly in the face of what Quinn has done since ND's 41-14 Sugar Bowl loss to LSU on Jan. 3. And that is outwork the other draft hopefuls, rehab a minor knee injury, constantly consult with Irish coach Charlie Weis, keep business distractions to a minimum and take on the social life of a nerd. "I think one of the biggest reasons people are talking that Quinn's draft stock is falling is because of the Internet," said longtime independent scout Frank Coyle of the draftinsiders.com. "Now every knucklehead on the planet is a draft expert. "Where are these stories coming from? I think the one thing he did that hurt him was opting out of the Senior Bowl. Had he played and played well, he would have guaranteed himself to be a top 2-3 pick, but he did have the knee (injury). Then people look at the LSU and Southern Cal games, and say he didn't win. He made mistakes, blah, blah blah. "People tend to overreact to whatever you've done for me lately. Now junior JaMarcus Russell (of LSU) is supposedly the greatest thing. Russell is a monster talent, but he's going to run into a wall in the NFL. I think Quinn is the better-developed player. This nonsense of juniors coming out off a big bowl game is way overblown. Decisions have to be made off the entire body of work, not the final game. And that's where Quinn really shines." Quinn and agent Tom Condon, who have brokered deals with Xbox 360 and EAS Nutrition, are still formulating their strategy as to which facets of the combine the former ND star will participate in. Quinn has committed to working out for scouts, though, on March 4 -- the first of two Notre Dame "pro days" in South Bend. "I think coach Weis has done a great job of getting me ready for all this, including how to deal with the negative stuff," said Quinn, who visited with Weis Sunday and Monday in South Bend. "I mean the guy has been there for me every step of the way. "It's important for me to be the first pick in the draft. It's one of the goals I've set for myself, and hopefully in the next few weeks, I can position myself to do that. As far as the analysts and people who make predictions, the only thing that bothers me about that is that it bothers my friends and family, because they buy way too much into that. The thing I know is that if I work hard and do what I'm capable of doing, the No. 1 slot should be there for me." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- brady do as charlie says, you ard # 1. hel with Greenie guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gallup21 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 if that guys so sure Quinns the biggest fraud, why didnt he come out publicly and say it himself? what an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iRiShMaN Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 rick, i blogged that article when it came out. the guy is an absolute idiot. I suggest we begin a the PIFA society. (People for an Idiot Proof America) http://irishuniverse.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinn-3rd-round.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 If we had that, then who would we play in football? I guess we'd have to go international... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Guys means nothing to me, I see maybe a glimmer of ND pride if he's #1. I mean truthfully if He's not $60,000.000 or cut back to ten million i can't care less, like paul hornung said he got $15,000. These numbers are meaningless to me. The who's draft #1 after....after ND I don't care. It's when they are actually on the field at ND I have concerns. He's ND and I wish him well but he is gone. I'm not a Pro follower too much. ND. ND football alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heismancaliber Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Guys means nothing to me, I see maybe a glimmer of ND pride if he's #1. I mean truthfully if He's not $60,000.000 or cut back to ten million i can't care less, like paul hornung said he got $15,000. These numbers are meaningless to me. The who's draft #1 after....after ND I don't care. It's when they are actually on the field at ND I have concerns. He's ND and I wish him well but he is gone. I'm not a Pro follower too much. ND. ND football alone thats the most logical post concerning Quinn's draft stock that i've seen on any of the ND sites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bfabes05 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The closer the draft gets, the more I dont want him to go to the pathetic Raiders, IMO, Brady is the best prospect in the draft, and all of this BS about him not being good enough and his stock dropping is absoulutly ridiculous, whatever team gets him...they are very lucky, he will be ready to start rright away, tough as nails, which you want QB's to be, and a very smart football player, I think Weis is right when he says Brady will be a top 5 QB in a few years...people get on this cant win the big game crap, teams win games, not players, he played his heart out against USC and his team and receivers more so let him down, even in his bad game against Michigan he still was let down more by his team than anything else, he played bad against LSU while he was injured, otherwise look at the kids whole body of work, he is by far the best QB, if not the best prospect overall in the draft, this draft stock dropping crap is just a bunch of dumba** internet bloggers who hate the Irish and hate Brady because he went to Notre Dame, after the combine and in a few years, people will see how talented Brady really is, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoIrish24 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The closer the draft gets, the more I dont want him to go to the pathetic Raiders, IMO, Brady is the best prospect in the draft, and all of this BS about him not being good enough and his stock dropping is absoulutly ridiculous, whatever team gets him...they are very lucky, he will be ready to start rright away, tough as nails, which you want QB's to be, and a very smart football player, I think Weis is right when he says Brady will be a top 5 QB in a few years...people get on this cant win the big game crap, teams win games, not players, he played his heart out against USC and his team and receivers more so let him down, even in his bad game against Michigan he still was let down more by his team than anything else, he played bad against LSU while he was injured, otherwise look at the kids whole body of work, he is by far the best QB, if not the best prospect overall in the draft, this draft stock dropping crap is just a bunch of dumba** internet bloggers who hate the Irish and hate Brady because he went to Notre Dame, after the combine and in a few years, people will see how talented Brady really is, period. Some really great points there, man. Couldn't have said better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoIrish24 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 BQ is on NFL Network at a press conference right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Herring Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Guys means nothing to me, I see maybe a glimmer of ND pride if he's #1. I mean truthfully if He's not $60,000.000 or cut back to ten million i can't care less, like paul hornung said he got $15,000. These numbers are meaningless to me. The who's draft #1 after....after ND I don't care. It's when they are actually on the field at ND I have concerns. He's ND and I wish him well but he is gone. I'm not a Pro follower too much. ND. ND football alone What our former players do on the professional field affect ND in recruiting. So you should care about this. #1 pick in the draft is a huge feather in Weis's cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iRiShMaN Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I can agree with both points: it's like a catch-22 quinn is gone, so ND doesn't care, but quinn is drafted in the top 5 helps ND recruiting. But I don't care, he is gone. But the H.S. players care and they will come to ND. So, I do care. See what you guys did to me. I am talking and typing to myself and my patients are worried...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heismancaliber Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Brady is the best prospect in the draft, that nod goes to Calvin Johnson I think Weis is right when he says Brady will be a top 5 QB in a few years Gimme a break, so he's gonna be better than Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Donovan McNabb? First he's gonna have to prove he's better than the next tier of QB's like Phillip Rivers, Vince Young, Matt Hasselbeck, and Marc Bulger to even be compared to Peyton, Carson, and Brady if not the best prospect overall in the draft again, take off the blue and gold glasses, sheesh, the only people i've seen list him as the best prospect in the draft are ND fans, but even a lot of the people here at ND (students) agree that Calvin Johnson is a special WR prospect, not to mention a prototype OT in Joe Thomas who is special. this draft stock dropping crap is just a bunch of dumba** internet bloggers who hate the Irish and hate Brady because he went to Notre Dame we'll just have to wait till the draft to see where he goes, but if he doesn't go #1 his stock HAS dropped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluester2000 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I like to call it paralysis by analysis. The same thing happened to Leinart last year, although I think Quinn is better. Guys see too much of a kid and start finding every little thing wrong with him. They'd rather go after a guy who they don't have as much info on, because they don't see his faults. JMarc's faults will become clear next season, regardless of who he's playing for. I just heard that Quinn has apparently hurt himself by not working out at the draft. At this point I'm laughing my ass off. He's clearly already given the pundits too much information for coming back his senior year, so screw them. If he worked out all we'd hear is about how shittily he's performed and why he doesn't deserve to go in the first round. I do think that Quinn's draft position and pro performance is important for the program. Most of these top recruits want to play on Sundays, and the more they're reminded how many players from ND are stars in the NFL, the better off we are. In general, kids no longer go to places for tradition, education, playing time, or even national TV. Kids go to places for great coaching. If you can get top coaching some where, the pros are going to find you. Last but not least, I agree with the above posters regarding how much better Quinn will be if he doesn't go 1st or 2nd. The top young QBs have all ended up going to places that were already decent. The elite prospects end up going to places like Detroit, Houston, etc and crap all over the bed. The prospects that go to teams that are a little closer like Pittsburgh, Tennessee, etc turn out a whole lot better. The Browns aren't too far away if they do a great job in this draft, and signing some players this off season. Unfortunately, they're probably going to take Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 buester spoke enough, He's DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDJoe06 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Brady is the best prospect in the draft, that nod goes to Calvin Johnson I think Weis is right when he says Brady will be a top 5 QB in a few years Gimme a break, so he's gonna be better than Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Donovan McNabb? First he's gonna have to prove he's better than the next tier of QB's like Phillip Rivers, Vince Young, Matt Hasselbeck, and Marc Bulger to even be compared to Peyton, Carson, and Brady if not the best prospect overall in the draft again, take off the blue and gold glasses, sheesh, the only people i've seen list him as the best prospect in the draft are ND fans, but even a lot of the people here at ND (students) agree that Calvin Johnson is a special WR prospect, not to mention a prototype OT in Joe Thomas who is special. this draft stock dropping crap is just a bunch of dumba** internet bloggers who hate the Irish and hate Brady because he went to Notre Dame we'll just have to wait till the draft to see where he goes, but if he doesn't go #1 his stock HAS dropped MAN YOU ARE SO SMART! HAAHAHAHAHAHAH most bloggers have never played a single down of football and like to tear others down because they have nothing better to do. you don't know any more about the future than any one else....and I doubt if you have seen any substantial amount of film on calvin jonson...wr's wash out in the nfl at one of the highest rates. nobody knows jack....but I don't have a problem with those optimists because there is nothing wrong with building someone up....but tearing a guy down really has no purpose except to make that sad person's life seem a little better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDJoe06 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 oh by the way I was being sarcastic about you being smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domeanddomer Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Calvin Johnson physically reminds me of Keyshawn Johnson. Where he's different is that Calvin genuinely appears to be a good person, and Keyshawn is a typical USC piece of Was that out loud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bfabes05 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brady is the best prospect in the draft, that nod goes to Calvin Johnson I think Weis is right when he says Brady will be a top 5 QB in a few years Gimme a break, so he's gonna be better than Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Donovan McNabb? First he's gonna have to prove he's better than the next tier of QB's like Phillip Rivers, Vince Young, Matt Hasselbeck, and Marc Bulger to even be compared to Peyton, Carson, and Brady if not the best prospect overall in the draft again, take off the blue and gold glasses, sheesh, the only people i've seen list him as the best prospect in the draft are ND fans, but even a lot of the people here at ND (students) agree that Calvin Johnson is a special WR prospect, not to mention a prototype OT in Joe Thomas who is special. this draft stock dropping crap is just a bunch of dumba** internet bloggers who hate the Irish and hate Brady because he went to Notre Dame we'll just have to wait till the draft to see where he goes, but if he doesn't go #1 his stock HAS dropped wow whens the espn job coming moron? yeah when Charlie Weis says something like that, Im gunna go ahead and agree with him, and if you actually read what I said, I said it was basically a toss up between Johnson and Quinn, but your the expert so my bad...you must be what an NFL scout, espn journalist, no wait, are you Mark May...give me a break you come on here and just completley rip someones post like your friggin god and that you know everything, look if you want to put your opinion up thats fine, but dont come on here and tear people apart like your a friggin head coach in the NFL and know talent like a scout that has been at the game for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Nice bfabes Now lets all look at this PLEASE. ND's been in the toilet for years. We get Weis, have racist thrown at us all of that. We make Weis the highest paid Coach, even NFL coaches don't get his bucks. Face it he blew many NFL coaches into the gutter enroute to his Super Bowls rings. Many got fired along the way, many a toe he stepped on. Think then they want to tout a Weis NOTRE DAME kid? Why even the New England BRADY a michigan guy dissed his "DAD and mentor" Weis in that bet. Pat's Brady showed up at his Presser with the bet (Where an ND hat) and had it on backwords so it's not seen and then threw it to the floor. It's cause were ND and many of those in the NFL hate our guts and scam up with the media that feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest heismancaliber Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brady is the best prospect in the draft, that nod goes to Calvin Johnson I think Weis is right when he says Brady will be a top 5 QB in a few years Gimme a break, so he's gonna be better than Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Donovan McNabb? First he's gonna have to prove he's better than the next tier of QB's like Phillip Rivers, Vince Young, Matt Hasselbeck, and Marc Bulger to even be compared to Peyton, Carson, and Brady if not the best prospect overall in the draft again, take off the blue and gold glasses, sheesh, the only people i've seen list him as the best prospect in the draft are ND fans, but even a lot of the people here at ND (students) agree that Calvin Johnson is a special WR prospect, not to mention a prototype OT in Joe Thomas who is special. this draft stock dropping crap is just a bunch of dumba** internet bloggers who hate the Irish and hate Brady because he went to Notre Dame we'll just have to wait till the draft to see where he goes, but if he doesn't go #1 his stock HAS dropped wow whens the espn job coming moron? yeah when Charlie Weis says something like that, Im gunna go ahead and agree with him, and if you actually read what I said, I said it was basically a toss up between Johnson and Quinn, but your the expert so my bad...you must be what an NFL scout, espn journalist, no wait, are you Mark May...give me a break you come on here and just completley rip someones post like your friggin god and that you know everything, look if you want to put your opinion up thats fine, but dont come on here and tear people apart like your a friggin head coach in the NFL and know talent like a scout that has been at the game for years wow that was mature, how old are you, like 13? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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