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Between 2005, 2006, 2007 Charlie has signed 8 wideouts. Considering only 5 can be on the field at the same time this seems a little strange to me. But that in itself doesn't strike me as something to be concerned about. What does bother me is that we've made 6 offers (according to Scout) for the 2008 class. 3 of those offers have been made to wideouts.

 

Does it seem to anyone else that perhaps Charlie should stop giving early offers to wide receivers, and focus on giving early offers to DT and LB?

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To add to the Offers,

 

I just watched video of Stepen Filer of Chi. first he looks great, but it looks like he played some games at Soldier field!!!!! Holy crap, i don't know if it is his home field but Wow that is Big time for these guys!

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i dont have any info on the WR's offered for next years class, but for the other WR's offered maybe it has to do with the talent level?

2005 there was..

Hord- 4*

Grimes- 3*

2006..

Parris- 3*

Gallup- 3*

Jackson- 3*

West- 3*

Finnegan- 1*

2007 this years class..

Little- 4*

Kamara- 4*

Tate- 4*

 

 

IMO this years class of WR's are alot better quality than previous years.. and im sure Weis would have even prefered to have another top WR that chose to go elsewhere.

i think others have also said that you cant have too much depth at one position, right?

as for giving early offers for next years class of DT and LB, im clueless and dont have anything to say :?

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who the hell is finnegan?

 

I'd like to go out on a limb and say we will land Howie Long's son in the next recruiting class (offensive lineman). Long seemed to like ND during the Sugar Bowl. I'd be shocked if the kid ends up anywhere but ND or UVA.

 

Edit: and by "Long seemed to like ND during the Sugar Bowl" i mean Howie Long, not Kyle.

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Are you serious?

 

 

So because only 5 wideouts can see the field then we shouldn't really offer too many. Serioulsy, get a clue. We only had 3 capable WRs in the Sugar Bowl and it showed. What about injuries? Take a look at Florida and the amount of WRs signed and offered for this year. They must be looking at 12+ on their squad. Never mind the fact that we can get these game breakers in, lets not get too many more because we seem full at 8 with 3 offers out :roll:

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Florida has something like 18 players who played WR in HS. I think it worked well for them. Plus the guys Weis offered for next year (Floyd Buckner) are bona-fide studs.

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just watched video of Stepen Filer of Chi. first he looks great, but it looks like he played some games at Soldier field!!!!! Holy crap, i don't know if it is his home field but Wow that is Big time for these guys!

 

They have a beginning of season classic at Soldier field each year where there are 4 teams, usually 2 from the Public League and 2 bigger Catholic School powers. This year it was Hubbard (Hughes' school), Simeon (Wilson), Mt. Carmel (Filer) and I'm drawing a blank on the fourth. But you're right, it's a nice showcase and very cool for them.

 

They also play the Public League championships there - last year Double D's team played there.

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My point is that Charlie needs to prioritize better. As another ND fan stated, Charlie would rather lose 52-49 than win 3-0. I think there's a serious issue when we're adding wideouts to the 4 deep, while we're moving defensive ends to defensive tackle and running backs to linebacker.

 

And Soko, I think your point about Florida is incredibly ignorant. They don't have the gaping holes that we do. Trying to compare the two teams doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

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A couple of these guys may never see the field as WR. I have said for a while that I thought Gallup and/or West would play DB. I see Tate as an Athlete and I feel he might end up on defense as well.

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Personally, I would love to see the best athelete's coming in, regardless of position. Of course we need to be balanced across the boards, but bringing in the top talent would continue to send a message for the upcoming classes. A receiver who is highly regarded and aggressively sought after could play in a number of positions...if he is indeed an athelete.

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My point is that Charlie needs to prioritize better. As another ND fan stated, Charlie would rather lose 52-49 than win 3-0. I think there's a serious issue when we're adding wideouts to the 4 deep, while we're moving defensive ends to defensive tackle and running backs to linebacker.

 

And Soko, I think your point about Florida is incredibly ignorant. They don't have the gaping holes that we do. Trying to compare the two teams doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

 

We took 2 WRs this year, maybe 3 with Tate

 

Probably looking at another 2/3 next year and you have a problem with this?

 

 

I guess you're just another one of these eternal pessimist who'll look to crack on anyone any chance they get. We def missed some of the big dogs this year and thats regretful. You need to get your head screwed back on if you think defense isn't going to be targeted hugely with next years offers

 

 

 

I love how people are already panicking about next years class and Weis' priorities. Christ almighty, get this class signed first

 

 

As for Florida, they need the same number of WRs on their 85 as we do. They are athletes. Real ignorant to look at how other college teams make up their rosters :roll:

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IMO this years class of WR's are alot better quality than previous years.. and im sure Weis would have even prefered to have another top WR that chose to go elsewhere.

this is right. yeah ND has brought in a lot of WRs the last few years but kamara and little are head and shoulders above the other WRs. its not that he's brining in to many WRs its that the first two classes of WRs were not of very good quality when you compare them to kamara, little, floyd and buckner.

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ND1Baby, I have no idea what you post meant. But I was mistaken with my numbers, they were based on scout alone, not scout and rivals. I do stand by the point that I think it doesn't make any sense to offer as many wideouts as we do when we have much more pressing needs.

 

Soko,

My point remains, regardless of how many wideouts we take this year or next, we've come up with a grand total of 1 DT and 1 MLB candidates between last year and this. Seems pretty stupid to be stocking the bench when we have a desperate need on the field.

 

Generally, taking 2-3 wideouts a year is rationale and makes sense, and I have no problem with Charlie doing this. My problem is when/how he prioritizes. You would assume if the team had a significant need at a position that you'd make that your first priority. Send out offers early to a bunch of stud juniors at those positions, and try to get the issue resolved as quickly as possible.

 

And lastly, not all teams are created the same, and you should know that. It would be stupid for the old Cornhuskers to have 12 wideouts on scholarship when they were running the option. Similarly, Florida runs mostly 4 or 5 wide sets, and offense Charlie won't run all the time. And to add to that, Florida signed 3 QBs this offseason, does that mean we should? No, again, trying to compare these teams is ignorant. We don't have as big of a need at wideout, so why are we continuing to go after these kids so aggressively.

 

And sorry if my realism appears pessimistic to you Pollyanna. It's clear that defense was targeted hugely this year as well and we're still in a dire position. And I'm sorry if I chose to focus on the negative (I can promise you Charlie's thinking the same things I'm saying). I would argue that it takes a bigger fan to critically appraise something you love, rather than blindly trust it to someone you've never met. Charlie's a good coach, but he has a long way to go to prove he belongs with Knute, Frank, Ara, Lou. I'm willing to give him the time, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to suck his ass like some people on these boards.

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im sure Weis would love to have the same amount of depth on the defensive side of the ball, but its just not happening that way for ND right now.

i might be wrong, but i think the origianl comment was more in regards to Weis not allready having offers out to defensive players where he does allready have offers out to WR's.. and as to why Weis hasnt yet offered anyone defensively, im sure someone else could answer that better than me.

maybe i can ask this other question here and im not sure if its been asked before.. but why is everyone for the 08 class only at 2 stars or less?

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