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Well, to say the least that was two grand I would like to have back...

 

First of all, why in the h-e-double hockey sticks did we try to fake a punt on the first possession of the game? I have a lot of problems with that, first off we haven't seen their rush formation in person and second we did not exactly intimidate them with our kicking game...they were set up for a return and whoever was responsible for sealing off the backside should be drawn and quartered...BAD PLAY CALL

 

I will spare you all the time of me pissing and moaning about the officiating and its glaring objection to calling pass interference or defensive holding on LSU...Every play there could have been a holding call on them and I can't believe CW hasn't gone public with this fiasco. Rhema McKnight also showed his desire to yell at the officials more than his desire to play through it, which has been my biggest gripe with him all year...he has so much ability, its a shame he wants to be the diva of the group...

 

83 played well, but he did have a TD bounce off his helmet which led us to a missed fg...and we need Burkhardt to be ready to play or sign an international kicker that is off the radar, because Giola is painful to watch.

 

We need to get a big time defensive tackle who will be able to play right away...I don't care if Barksdale is the John Kerry of the recruiting world (flip-flop) we will atleast hold up at the point of attack...Trevor Laws was constantly pushed backwards and on a few plays he was so inept at getting a pass rush, he dropped himself into coverage (and I know the difference between that and a zone blitz)...If he is going to be our anchor, than our defense will only get worse by next season and I may have to take a year away from television to avoid suicide

 

I hope Chidem Ndukwe is the nicest guy in the world, because as a football player he has the reaction time and first step of a middle schooler...There were 4 times that I counted that the ball was thrown to his side of the field and while the ball was in the air, he had not changed his direction to make a play on the ball or receiver...HOW BAD COULD OUR FRESHMAN PLAYERS BE THAT WE DIDN'T BENCH HIM?

 

Where was John Carlson??? Freeman got a vast majority of the playing time and I could not figure out why playaction or seem routes by the TE were not incorporated into the offense earlier in the game.

 

On the positive side...

 

Our offensive line played like men...Quinn was rarely hurried or even hit and DW had running lanes, that even my fat a$$ could run through.

 

DW ran hard and with a burst that I haven't seen in a long time...

 

B Quinn deserved a better send off for his career, but I think he showed arm strength, poise in the pocket. I was lucky enough to sit next to another ND fan who said he has been to every ND game for 20 years and BQ is the best QB he has seen on the field during that time frame...Not ND QB, but QB period...Obviously a bit skewed opinion, but that carried some weight with me...

 

I read a big article about how JeMarcus Russell may be a top ten pick...Well, unfortunately in the NFL he won't be playing against slow footed defenses and the hanging jump balls he throws will not be completed...He is Duante Culpepper or a larger framed Alex Smith without the track record of success...He can throw the ball a mile, but typically when he does it is not on a line...He could be a boom or bust type, but he is definately not fast enough to be compared to Vince Young and doesn't have the accuracy of McNabb or the arm of Favre...Tough to measure against those guys, but the hype down there was ridiculous for him.

 

And for the record, I realize there may be a few people from New Orleans on this "forum"...But all of those backwoods, cajun, illiterate snake eating possum pet-owning rednecks who speak with a lisp can take this one to the grave with them...L-esth-U and the entire state of New Orleans is a crowded drunken mess and is the redneck riviera as far as I'm concerned...

 

Although to be fair, I highly recommend Larry Flint's establishment down there, top knotch ta-ta's and those girls really want to earn their money.

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I can see some one is still fired up! With LSU having the talent advantage ND had to play perfect to give themselves a chance to win. They failed on fake punts, they missed FG's, dropped passes, and blew coverages. Not gonna cut it with ND's talent level right now verses a top 10 team. things will get better but it is hard to be patient. I couldn't agree more with you about Mcknight. As much as I have cheered for him over the years he has really pissed me off with his dropped passes this year. He should worry about focusing on his job rather than show boating all the time.

 

Bring on 07 and #7....

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We have to brace ourselves for the possibility that Weis may not be as effective as we all hoped.

 

I disagree, way too early to tell nd1. If we had similar talent as LSU, we wouldn't have to use trickery. The smaller guy in the fight has to think a little harder usually. The truth is we don't have the talent yet. Weis sleeps about 10 minutes a night to fix that. Look back to Davie and Ty...remember the 2000 Nebraska game?....we had a shot to bury them if our coach had balls, but playing the #1 team close was good enough for him. I agree, the fake was questionable, but in the overall scheme of things it really didn't matter. The reality was that LSU was faster and more physical than ND, it would have come out eventually as it did in the second half. Once Charlie has assembled HIS team, we can evaluate his job as a coach. Right now he's trying to cover up the gaping holes left by Ty.......anyone who needs proof look at our current junior class.

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After last years USC game I think we all thought Charlie Weis could make a team filled with Domer Domain members and win the NC. He is not going to be that effective! :lol: But IMO he is the best coach for ND. Let him get his recruits in here and then we will judge. There is no magic bullet it is going to take some ups and downs and a lot of hard work.

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Yes, you're right, everybody thought he would start 0 and 6 or 1 and 5. But bad play can be indicative of less than stellar coaching. Anyway, less expectations for 2007 so it should be more of a fun year without the pressure of a Heisman and NC. But I look forward to getting jacked up again in 2008.

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The hype over ND playing for a NC this year was way overblown. The talent level is so low compared to the top level teams. CW knows it, but will never state that as a reason. For him to be 19-6 after two years compared to what would Ty have done.... what 6-19 - suicide would have been painless.

 

CW got me back watching ND football games again. He got the excitement back. He raised everyone's expectations. He made ND relevant again. He gets it, knows ND, and CAN COACH. Now if we can just get him to pay attention to the D we might be okay.

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Guys...it all comes down to defense...when Charlie has to play from behind (which is often) he is not nearly as effective. He simply is an average play caller when trying to catch up. He is deadly when he can mix the run and pass equally. Until he gets a D that can keep us in games we are going to lose blowouts to better teams like LSU, USC, UM, OSU, etc....simple as that

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Weiss isn't the problem...The fact that he called the fake punt was a mistake, but it was an aggressive mistake, which everyone should be able to live with, no matter how bad of call it was. And while I started the rant about that call, I agree that it wasn't the reason why we lost that game by the margin we did...

 

The problem is the lack of speed and strength...

 

When CW came in, he said we were going to have a hard working, intelligent and NASTY football team...This year, that team played soft. No other way about it...Watch Michigan's O-Line and Defense play...Watch LSU's D-Tackles constantly throw double moves and head slaps...Now watch our defense arm tackle, and ineffectively chest wrestle with two o-lineman...

 

It looked like these were kids that were hung up in their own press clippings and regressed in their hunger...

 

LSU / Michigan / USC / Michigan State and Georgia Tech were all more physical than we were...That didn't happen on those Saturday afternoons, it happened in the offseason and in the development of a mindset that their best wasn't good enough...Evidentally hanging a sign up didn't get the message through to them.

 

Personally, I have said this a number of times, but will say it again...FIRE OUR STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING COORDINATOR...Show me one player that got faster from last season to this season. Now show me a player that physically was able to dominate his opponent...

 

The fact of the matter is that the X's and O's are taken care of with CW, now it is his job to bring in someone who can have the players take a quantum leap in their physical development in order to take the next step as a program, from top 20 to contender

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We have to brace ourselves for the possibility that Weis may not be as effective as we all hoped.

 

This is absurd. Let's look at the last recruiting classes (rankings according to Rivals)

 

2002 (Davie) -- 24th

2003 (Ty) -- 12th

2004 (Ty) -- 32nd

2005 (Ty) -- 40th

2006 (CW) -- 8th

 

Given the fact that CW lost the 24th ranked class this year and replaced it with a less-experienced 8th ranked class, you could expect some drop in productivity. Same for next year.

 

If you don't see an upswing in 2008, then you can start making those statements.

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Personally, I have said this a number of times, but will say it again...FIRE OUR STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING COORDINATOR...Show me one player that got faster from last season to this season. Now show me a player that physically was able to dominate his opponent...

 

I agree with most of what you're saying, but not this. In the College Football world Ruben Mendoza is highly respected and this team did not lose because of conditioning, they lost because they simply weren't that fast or athletic to begin with. If anything he should be applauded for conditioning; see the UCLA and Mich. St. games where our guys had more in the tank for the 3rd and 4th quarters.

 

We can talk about getting rid of Minter (although I wouldn't), but not Mendoza.

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I think your statements of conditioning are accurate...they are in shape and able to play the entire length of the game...however what they need to be able to do is do is faster and stronger...

 

Contrary to popular opinion speed is coachable. Speed can be developed through a variety of programs involvling plyometrics and strength training. And for some reason, I am looking at the 40 times for our DBs and they are listed in the 4.3-4.5 range...So let's not say they can't run, rather what they struggle to do is translate that to football speed.

 

Football speed is brought out through strength and explosion...Explosion comes from muscular development through quick motions involving the core of the body (complete torso with upper or lower body) typically accomplished through the hip sled and/or power clean...That is the responsibility of the strength coach

 

Furthermore, our defensive tackles need to be individually held accountable and put into different strength programs than our defensive backs, linebackers, skill players...having a unified program is simply ludacris at this day in age...You must be able to coordinate individual programs and dietary regiments for players to maximize their individual talents...and then allow the coaches to prepare them to be in the right place.

 

Quite simply, we did not progress as a team in speed or strength...If we were going to see who was in the best cardiovascular shape, than i would side with us...but nobody with a clear head can say that we played physical up front or showed elite athleticism at the skill positions

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The top two recruits in Ty's 2005 class were 4-stars Joey Hiben and D.J. Hord.

:roll:

 

Neither of which strapped on pads and a helmet in '06.

 

One gave up football to focus on academics and the other suffered an excuriating injury during the offseason.

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Hord is already back practicing. Hopefully he continues to recover and he is at 100% for the start of next year. Even though we lose our 2 top WRs, I think that our WR will be much better than many think next year. Grimes has the most experience and was impressive at times this year and should be a good option for the new QB next year. Also, I think that both Kamara, Tate, and Little are all talented enough to get an early look next year. Also, we got a lot of good quick WRs in last year's class.

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... why ... did we try to fake a punt on the first possession of the game?

 

In the post game Weis explained that the fake punt was part of the pregame practice. It as to be called IF the defense lined up in a certain formation which they did. I read into his comments that it was an audible but I could be wrong.

 

 

 

 

83 played well, but he did have a TD bounce off his helmet ...

 

He had 8 catches but I'm not sure he played well. That drive killing unsportsmanlike conduct penalty would have had Holtz holding his facemask as he dragged him to the sideline for counseling.

 

... We need to get a big time defensive tackle who will be able to play right away...Trevor Laws was constantly pushed backwards and on a few plays he was so inept at getting a pass rush, he dropped himself into coverage (and I know the difference between that and a zone blitz)...If he is going to be our anchor, than our defense will only get worse by next season and I may have to take a year away from television to avoid suicide.

 

I've not seen a single post about Landri coming out with a knee. And the subs that were rotated in. Other teams rotate DLs with second team players. ND has NO second team DLs. We go from 1st team to 3rd team.

 

... I hope Chidem Ndukwe is the nicest guy in the world, because as a football player he has the reaction time and first step of a middle schooler...There were 4 times that I counted that the ball was thrown to his side of the field and while the ball was in the air, he had not changed his direction to make a play on the ball or receiver...HOW BAD COULD OUR FRESHMAN PLAYERS BE THAT WE DIDN'T BENCH HIM?

 

Am I dreaming that Ndukwe was injured in the USC game and there was a question whether he would play in this game? He's a kid that played where the coach asked him to. I never thought he was a safety but I didn't think Travis Thomas was a Div 1 LB either. That does make a statement that the position coach, DC, and Head Coach all think they had the best guys on the field in the best positions.

 

... Where was John Carlson??? Freeman got a vast majority of the playing time and I could not figure out why playaction or seem routes by the TE were not incorporated into the offense earlier in the game.

 

On the positive side...

 

Our offensive line played like men...Quinn was rarely hurried or even hit and DW had running lanes, that even my fat a$$ could run through.

 

This is a frequent post made the past few days by a lot of posters on different boards. It makes me wonder if those people actually "watched" the game. I know you saw it but did you watch it?

 

Weis played maximum protection most of the game. DOUBLE TEs KEPT IN TO BLOCK. A 7 man front like the Rockne days. Plus what set DW up for many of his runs was that he was being utilized on most plays as a pass blocker. What to count'em up? That makes 9 ND had behind the line of scrimmage. The SEVEN MAN OLINE + the QB and the RB. ND had 8 blockers and sometimes 9. Watch Samardzija on the end around fakes. When he gets to the other side of the field he becomes a blocker AND doesn't cross the line of scrimmage.

 

Yes the OLine played well meanwhile ND had 2 or 3 receivers being covered by 6 or 7 defenders. Quinn had lots of time because he didn't have to run through 3, 4, or 5 receivers in his progression. ND sacrificed

a multiple receiver threat for maximum protection.

 

 

... DW ran hard and with a burst that I haven't seen in a long time...

 

Yes he did! I don't recall him turning the corner like that since he was a freshman. He seemed to show more acceleration. I think the Double TE's were key to him running outside. They sealed off the inside better than I recall an ND team doing in some time. The WR blocking also added yards to his first half rushing.

 

... L-esth-U and the entire state of New Orleans is a crowded drunken mess and is the redneck riviera as far as I'm concerned...

 

I take it that's your first time to an LSU game. I'd hazard a guess that the average blood alcohol level at an LSU game exceeds the legal limit. They stagger into the stadium as they don't sell alcohol during the game. I read a report that booze was sold in the Superdome so the alcohol factor should have been even higher.

 

As for the "redneck riviera" New Orleans is upriver from the coast and besides Gulf Shores, Alabama has that expression trademarked.

 

I've met some real nice LSU fans when I was in Baton Rouge in '97. Good sports who congratulated us on a well played game. Some of them told my wife and I NOT to go in any bar in Baton Rouge after the game as our safety could not be guaranteed. "If you what a drink go to your hotel bar if they have one or drive down to New Orleans. Unfortunately too many of our 'local fans' are just mean drunks."

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