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So, ND lands a BCS bowl and a tidy 12 million dollars . . . but wait, not so fast. Due to the ingenious moves by the beloved (cough, cough) athletic director, ND gets only 2 million. For those who have passed over this, here's a reminder. Kev agrees to a "deal" that limits ND to 2 million for a bowl appearance. Why? Cause Kev has such faith in Charlie's machine that he was afraid ND may not be getting to any BCS bowl game (12 million) with any regularity, so he agreed to give up the BCS $ for a guaranteed 2 million. This "deal" has been in effect for exactly one year and has already cost ND 10 million dollars. Yeah, next year it may pay off since a BCS isn't likely, but how about after that? Does anyone think ND will be a stranger to the BCS with the recruiting haul Charlie is getting? So, a big thankyou to Kev who always has ND's best interest at heart (yeah, that's sarcasm).

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Guest SirJohn

Hey NicePost I can't agree more with you. It was the subject of two articles by me which was BEFORE we got to this bowl and actually drop 10 million in reality. AD White said "it was good for the BCS" which made me wonder at the time why should ND care? The biz should be "is it good for Notre Dame."

 

Too darn late NOW but if we all start 'bitching' stay on top with Weis let's restructure this stupid contranct.

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I'm not trying to be an a-hole or anything, but honestly, who cares how much money they get for a bowl?

Notre Dame is already making a ton of money from television, merchandise, donations, tuition, etc.

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It's the obligation of an athletic director to do what is best for his school, just as a CEO has an obligation to his company. Are the Irish hurting for money? No, but it's not the point. We could increase the pay of every faculty member at ND, further support financial aid for incoming students who don't have the means to pay for an ND education, and dare I say it, not raise ND tuition rates as high as every other university seems to do, just to name a few things that ND could do with the money.

Alas, I was somewhat off with my numbers. ND gets a guaranteed $1 million a year if they don't go to a bowl, and $4.5 million if they go to a BCS bowl, so ND gets 4.5 million this year for the Sugar Bowl. Now, the payout for the sugar bowl PER team this year is $17 million! So Kev has already cost ND 12.5 million in the first year of this assinine contract which extends until 2010. Again, great move Kev, you ass.

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I understand atlanta. It's the principle of the thing to me. In general it works out as say, LSU has to share with all their confernce teams. The principal is we used to get another 10 million and now don't. Anytime we DON'T make any bowl we get a million.

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Now wait a minute. Before we get carried away here. First of all, the other teams are all in a conference and that means that the $17 million that team gets is shared with every team in their conference. The BCS TOLD ND that the current system was going to be changed. If you recall, the BCS was formed by and is currently run by the 6 major conferences (which we are a member of none). They all agreed that ND needs to have a place in the system. In order for us to hold onto our preferential elegibility they wanted to change the way the money gets paid. The BCS wanted us to get paid in line with what other schools in conferences actually got paid from a bcs bowl. We told them that if that's the case then we deserve guaranteed money just like a conference team if we don't play in a BCS bowl. Remember we have an automatic birth if we finish BCS 8 or better and are elegible if we finish 12th or better. That is extremely generous if you ask me and it leads to us screwing many teams out of a BCS bowl. So put on your AD hat and what decision would you make? Keep the favored elegibility and play in BCS bowls more frequently or play less frequently and get paid more money? Remember that this deal was made a couple years ago to take effect this season. A couple of years ago we sucked so bad we sucked at suckin'. So this year, we "lose" money on the deal. Next year it is highly unlikely that we go to a BCS bowl. So we will get a guaranteed payout from the BCS on top of the money we get from the bowl we actually play in. Next year it sounds like a great deal! Remember, White was presented with this situation. He didn't just go to the BCS complaining that we were making too much money. On the contrary, it was the other teams in the conferences that were complaining that we were making too much money. Confronted with crap and with very little bargaining position, I think he made a pretty dang good deal.

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domeandomer, thats a very philanthropic defense for a AD that has a mind set of a loser. Not knowing the particulars of the contract and taking what you have stated as fact; I could extrapolate, blah, blah, the other teams were complaining that ND was making to much money, yet they agreed to the contract in the first place. Our AD wanted to be a nice man and he capitulated/folded in committee under pressure. Replace him and Minter at the same time.

 

Coach Weis will not miss a BCS game in his career at ND.

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My question is this: where does that 12.5 million go?

 

I know that conference teams get 4.5 and the rest goes to the conference, but seeing as we do not have a conference, where does it go? Do teh bowls get to keep it?

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Also, by taking this deal, I believe that we are eligible if we are in the top 14, actually increasing are access to the games and everyone else must be a top 4 to recieve an automatic bid, while we only need to be in the top 8.

 

White is a good AD. Look at the state of all of our athletics. Hockey, all women's sports, BBall, Football, Soccer, etc.. WE are routinely one of the top 5 aathletic departments the last few years.

 

White did not have much of a position to argue from, but still I think he was just placating those that will eventually vault him to his dreamjob as the commissioner of the league

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I'm not trying to be an a-hole or anything, but honestly, who cares how much money they get for a bowl?

Notre Dame is already making a ton of money from television, merchandise, donations, tuition, etc.

Who cares? I did when i looked over my financial aid package each year, that money doenst just lay around. The university doesn't like to spend any of its $2 billion trust it has so it trys to fund all expenses by donations as well as tuition. the more money that the university brings in from bowls and football, the more money that is spent expanding the scholarship fund. Notre Dame is a great University becasue of its football progam not inspite of it. My parents both make about $50k a year and are divorced...so when i got into my dream college and then found out that I would be able to go and I wouldnt have to take aout that many student loans to do so and my parents wouldnt have to get 2nd or thrid jobs just to pay fo rmy dream...well it was possibly one of the greatest surprises in my life. I'm sorry to sound so serious but i hear SO MUCH CRAP from big ten fans etc calling ND greedy for all the things ND has done to capitalize on theri greatness. I saw look stuff up, dotn hate or form opinions without facts...but they went to OSU or mich....so reading or learning comes second to being scum-bags.

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domer, I love your Photoshop avatar!!!

 

Thanks, but it's not photoshop. I got married in the Monogram room with a reception in the hallway outside with all of the Heismans, trophies etc. I'm lucky that my folks are pretty deep seeded at the University so I was able to get picks from the no access areas. I have the entire wedding party in the Locker room, a bunch in the stairwell that you see in this pic, in the tunnel leading to the field, in the pressbox with some cool shots of the stadium and TDJ. I was truly lucky. I'll change the avitar every so often and share some of the other shots with you guys.

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domeandomer, thats a very philanthropic defense for a AD that has a mind set of a loser. Not knowing the particulars of the contract and taking what you have stated as fact; I could extrapolate, blah, blah, the other teams were complaining that ND was making to much money, yet they agreed to the contract in the first place. Our AD wanted to be a nice man and he capitulated/folded in committee under pressure. Replace him and Minter at the same time.

 

Coach Weis will not miss a BCS game in his career at ND.

 

In the spirit of debate, I'm just wondering the basis of your opinion that he is a loser. He made a very publicly embarassing mistake with O'leary and shortly there after with Willingham. Willingham looked promising his first year so to White's defense he evolved into a bad hire. But let's look at some of the other stuff that Keving White has done that has been great for the athletics department. He was hired in 2000. Remember, his responsibility is over the ENTIRE athletic department, not just football.

 

He got a good one in Mike Brey who has done very well with the Bball team. And he's done it with terrible facilities for bball. He's kept such talent onboard as Muphet McGraw (women's bball) and Paul Manieri (baseball, although he just left to take the LSU job). For the sake of space, I'll cut and paste some highlights of his off of the official ND website:

 

• Four different teams earned number-one rankings in 2000-01 (women's soccer, women's basketball, men's fencing and baseball were number one at some point, and men's lacrosse ranked second) - men's fencing repeated the honor in '02 and again in '03, and women's fencing attained that standing in '04.

 

• The Irish claimed the '01 national championship in women's basketball, the '03 NCAA title in fencing (a men's and women's combined championship), third-place finishes in fencing in '01, '02 and '04 and in women's cross country in '03, national semifinal appearances in women's soccer in '00 and men's lacrosse in '01, and a College World Series appearance in baseball in 2002. A record 37 Notre Dame athletes earned All-America honors in 2001-02 - and 33 more All-America performances were achieved by 27 different Irish athletes in 2002-03.

 

• He helped the Irish athletic program toward its goal of becoming a top five program in the NACDA Directors' Cup all-sports competition by championing the University's plan to add 64 grants-in-aid over a four-year span (that goal was announced in December 2000), in order to give all 26 varsity sports the full NCAA complement of scholarships.

 

• He emphasized the need to remain competitive on the facilities front by commissioning a facilities master plan that now provides a long-term plan for upgrading Notre Dame's athletic physical plant.

 

• The American Football Coaches Association awarded its Academic Achievement Award for 2001 to Notre Dame based on its 100 percent graduation for entering freshmen from 1995. The University received a 2002 USA Today/NCAA Academic Achievement Award for graduating 90 percent of its student-athletes who enrolled in 1995 - and it also received the 2003 award for highest overall student-athlete graduation rate (92 percent of those who enrolled in 1996).

 

• He assured long-term consistency in the Irish coaching ranks by signing Notre Dame head coaches to multi-year contracts - with all assistant coaches and administrators signing contracts for the first time starting in 2001-02.

 

• He renewed Notre Dame's NBC Sports contract for televising of home football games for five more years (2006-10 for this renewal, extending the relationship to 20 years) and its Westwood One contract for football radio broadcasts for five more years beginning in 2003.

 

In addition to the varsity athletic component, White's assignment at Note Dame also includes administration of a comprehensive intramural, club sport and campus recreation program, with 94 percent of the student body participating.

 

He is also responsible for the hiring of CW. Unfortunately, with all the good he's done, the O'leary/ Willingham debacle is what everyone thinks about when the name Kevin White comes up.

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