Angeli is the obvious better passer and Leonard the obvious better runner.

There are going to be games that ND has to come back from 10 or more late in the game and Leonard won't be able to do that.

If it were my choice, I would devise a gameplan utilizing both of them.  I would start Angeli and work in Leonard as play dictates it.  

ND has to showcase a passing game and move beyond a run based (only) offense.  

Just now, 4thand1 said:

Angeli is the obvious better passer and Leonard the obvious better runner.

There are going to be games that ND has to come back from 10 or more late in the game and Leonard won't be able to do that.

If it were my choice, I would devise a gameplan utilizing both of them.  I would start Angeli and work in Leonard as play dictates it.  

ND has to showcase a passing game and move beyond a run based (only) offense.  

Leonard should be Notre Dame's Taysom Hill.

9 minutes ago, Mike said:

Leonard should be Notre Dame's Taysom Hill.

 

Like it. I think you need to be ready to use both guys.

28 minutes ago, Mike said:

Leonard should be Notre Dame's Taysom Hill.

 

It's going to be hard to go away from Riley now simply because he ran for 3 TDs today, and that's an asset. Taysom is much stronger and faster than Riley too. Oh yea, and Taysom can throw a little.

Riley will cost us another game once teams figure out how to defend his running. Teams will be scheming for that from here on out, and having to rely on Riley to convert 3rd and longs is going to be a really big problem for us down the line. He just isn't capable. Teams with a great front 7 won't allow him to get to the edge or gouge them in B and C gap plays running behind pulling guards and tight ends. We might have no choice but to mix Angeli in a few plays here and there.

35 minutes ago, Mike said:

Leonard should be Notre Dame's Taysom Hill.

 

Yes, this I can get behind!

38 minutes ago, 4thand1 said:

Angeli is the obvious better passer and Leonard the obvious better runner.

There are going to be games that ND has to come back from 10 or more late in the game and Leonard won't be able to do that.

If it were my choice, I would devise a gameplan utilizing both of them.  I would start Angeli and work in Leonard as play dictates it.  

ND has to showcase a passing game and move beyond a run based (only) offense.  

Totally agree! It would be the best of both worlds, and Notre Dame could be completely unstoppable!

1 minute ago, Irish Chris said:

It's going to be hard to go away from Riley now simply because he ran for 3 TDs today, and that's an asset. Taysom is much stronger and faster than Riley too. Oh yea, and Taysom can throw a little.

Riley will cost us another game once teams figure out how to defend his running. Teams will be scheming for that from here on out, and having to rely on Riley to convert 3rd and longs is going to be a really big problem for us down the line. He just isn't capable. Teams with a great front 7 won't allow him to get to the edge or gouge them in B and C gap plays running behind pulling guards and tight ends. We might have no choice but to mix Angeli in a few plays here and there.

That line I highlighted exactly. 

5 minutes ago, mcgov12 said:

That line I highlighted exactly. 

Team defenses will base their entire gameplan on that. They know he hasn't thrown a TD pass in a very long time and they'll see all the tape on his throwing limitations. 

1 minute ago, Irish Chris said:

Team defenses will base their entire gameplan on that. They know he hasn't thrown a TD pass in a very long team and they'll see all the tape on his throwing limitations. 

I will tell you though its harder to put more then 1 spy on Riley in 5 wide flex

Just now, FaithInIrish Forever said:

I will tell you though its harder to put more then 1 spy on Riley in 5 wide flex

Absolutely Faith, but it takes that one stud linebacker or safety to blow up his runs.

1 minute ago, Irish Chris said:

Absolutely Faith, but it takes that one stud linebacker or safety to blow up his runs.

It'll be interesting who we play who can do that probably USC but he is 6-4. Probably FSU. Louisville..

Great win today but what sucks about it is Riley Leonard will get credit for playing a great game which he did not. He SUCKKED throwing the ball downfield and couldn't t see open receivers. Mark my words. If Angeli starts the rest of the season ND doesn't lose. If Leonard does they do not make playoffs and Freeman is gone.

Until Leonard throws a TD pass it is tough for me to see him as the clear starter. You can’t have a one dimensional game and that is what we have with Leonard. Angelli had great touch on that 42 yarder coming in mostly cold. I like what Leonard brings as a runner but he hasn’t shown himself as a real passing threat. 

Run them both.  Purdue was gased on D, A&M was gased on D, see a pattern here?  This is so goddamn easy to figure out going back forever, run the the ball!!  It is our strong suit why ignore it.  Actually mix in some play action would be a boon too.  Selling out to stop the run opens up play action passes, which don't have to be downfield bombs but can be huge chunk plays.  Our offense is limited by our coaches moreso than our players IMO.

If our D is up to snuff and rested, they can hang with anyone IMO.  We shouldn't find ourselves down multiple scores needing basketball on grass type offense.  If Freeman wants Tresselball, which we haven't run at all, then let's get an OC who understands this and play to our strengths that Tresselball would work great with.  Michigan ran it last year.

Faith and I discuss this almost every season and the stats absolutely bear out.  When we run and out rush our opponent our win rate increases a lot.  I wish I had the numbers breakdown, but it's close to a lock win the closer we get to 200 yards rushing or over in a game.  We control the clock and the defense is fresh, every f'ing time.  Winning is all that matters, who cares if we don't have pretty stats on offense.  I like top 10 defensive stats better.

Opposing defenses have no reason to defend the field beyond 10 yards with Leonard at QB.  Either Denbrock has to force Leonard to throw more downfield passes to open up the run or make a switch.

It's a lot to ask Denbrock to develop a 2 QB offense at this point if it hasn't already been worked on but I do think it would be in the team's best interest.  If defenses have no idea of when or if Angeli or Leonard will play, makes it tougher to defend ND. 

Its almost like they should have just went this season with Minchey.  He throws a better ball than both Leonard and Angeli and he's a better runner than Angeli.