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There has been a whole lotta grumbling about Reese play calling this year ...

I have to admit, at times I was wondering and scratching my head trying to figure out why we weren't taking ANY deep shots all year ..so on ..so forth ... almost as if we were 100% predictable...  stack the box....blitz and defend short passes ...  (good thing Mayer is unstoppable). 

Simple game plan to defend the Irish right ?

Then I really looked at what we have on the field...  no wide receivers who can take the top off or break a game open (think Michael floyd, golden tate.. types)..  we had an offensive line that was sporadic at inopportune times ...  our running backs were awesome all year long ...few hicups but thats expected throughout a season 

We have 2 quarterbacks that when they did have time to throw ...couldn't read a defense or we had minimal separation from defenders in our receiving Corps...

Noodles for arms  or push throwing the ball. 

Given these circumstances..I don't know how Tommy gets creative with play calling ..  you have basic skill players at 2/3rds of the positions ...so you end up calling a basic game plan...

In my opinion...  tommy did an outstanding job most of the year calling plays ..  you MUST play to your strength ...  if you take to many chances at things your not good at ...  and don't get lucky ..  you end up losing by 35 ...  

We played to our strength and was in every game..  

Bring Sam Hartman in..  give receivers another year to develop route trees ..and inject some swag and I guarantee the offense takes more long shots and is less vanilla next year....   if not ..then Tommy gotta go 

What say you ?

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1 hour ago, Irish-scoop said:

There has been a whole lotta grumbling about Reese play calling this year ...

I have to admit, at times I was wondering and scratching my head trying to figure out why we weren't taking ANY deep shots all year ..so on ..so forth ... almost as if we were 100% predictable...  stack the box....blitz and defend short passes ...  (good thing Mayer is unstoppable). 

Simple game plan to defend the Irish right ?

Then I really looked at what we have on the field...  no wide receivers who can take the top off or break a game open (think Michael floyd, golden tate.. types)..  we had an offensive line that was sporadic at inopportune times ...  our running backs were awesome all year long ...few hicups but thats expected throughout a season 

We have 2 quarterbacks that when they did have time to throw ...couldn't read a defense or we had minimal separation from defenders in our receiving Corps...

Noodles for arms  or push throwing the ball. 

Given these circumstances..I don't know how Tommy gets creative with play calling ..  you have basic skill players at 2/3rds of the positions ...so you end up calling a basic game plan...

In my opinion...  tommy did an outstanding job most of the year calling plays ..  you MUST play to your strength ...  if you take to many chances at things your not good at ...  and don't get lucky ..  you end up losing by 35 ...  

We played to our strength and was in every game..  

Bring Sam Hartman in..  give receivers another year to develop route trees ..and inject some swag and I guarantee the offense takes more long shots and is less vanilla next year....   if not ..then Tommy gotta go 

What say you ?

Great post. I always says great players make coaches look smart. We get great players, you'll watch Rees rise to the occasion because he works hard and cares alot. 

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2 hours ago, Irish-scoop said:

There has been a whole lotta grumbling about Reese play calling this year ...

I have to admit, at times I was wondering and scratching my head trying to figure out why we weren't taking ANY deep shots all year ..so on ..so forth ... almost as if we were 100% predictable...  stack the box....blitz and defend short passes ...  (good thing Mayer is unstoppable). 

Simple game plan to defend the Irish right ?

Then I really looked at what we have on the field...  no wide receivers who can take the top off or break a game open (think Michael floyd, golden tate.. types)..  we had an offensive line that was sporadic at inopportune times ...  our running backs were awesome all year long ...few hicups but thats expected throughout a season 

We have 2 quarterbacks that when they did have time to throw ...couldn't read a defense or we had minimal separation from defenders in our receiving Corps...

Noodles for arms  or push throwing the ball. 

Given these circumstances..I don't know how Tommy gets creative with play calling ..  you have basic skill players at 2/3rds of the positions ...so you end up calling a basic game plan...

In my opinion...  tommy did an outstanding job most of the year calling plays ..  you MUST play to your strength ...  if you take to many chances at things your not good at ...  and don't get lucky ..  you end up losing by 35 ...  

We played to our strength and was in every game..  

Bring Sam Hartman in..  give receivers another year to develop route trees ..and inject some swag and I guarantee the offense takes more long shots and is less vanilla next year....   if not ..then Tommy gotta go 

What say you ?

Great post. 100% dead on accurate. Rees did a great job yesterday. You are totally correct in your assessment of the talent we have on the team. 

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Tommy did a crap job of playcalling at the beginning of the game to the point I almost turned it off.  It was pitiful.  And, he still screws up in very obvious ways. 1st and goal after we’ve pounded the ball and you choose to throw it with a very inconsistent qb…who happens to be a running threat.  What a boneheaded call (which I was saying on the snap before the INT…) 

Putting Tyree in the backfield ESPECIALLY on goalline is pretty freaking stupid, too…wtf is Tommy thinking?

We’re a running team, yet we begin the game trying to throw it all over the field.  Just dumb and shows a lack of awareness…Tommy has a lot of tendencies that he can’t overcome.

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Just now, irishwavend said:

Tommy did a crap job of playcalling at the beginning of the game to the point I almost turned it off.  It was pitiful.  And, he still screws up in very obvious ways. 1st and goal after we’ve pounded the ball and you choose to throw it with a very inconsistent qb…who happens to be a running threat.  What a boneheaded call (which I was saying on the snap before the INT…) 

Putting Tyree in the backfield ESPECIALLY on goalline is pretty freaking stupid, too…wtf is Tommy thinking?

We’re a running team, yet we begin the game trying to throw it all over the field.  Just dumb and shows a lack of awareness…Tommy has a lot of tendencies that he can’t overcome.

What's your solution? Do you fire him? His family has a strong relationship with Sam Hartman. The offense scored 45 and gave up 14 yesterday netting 31 which was their average for the season before yesterday.

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3 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

What's your solution? Do you fire him? His family has a strong relationship with Sam Hartman. The offense scored 45 and gave up 14 yesterday netting 31 which was their average for the season before yesterday.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Rees go away. ND could easily find someone at least as good, and probably (IMHO) better. 
He may turn out to be exceptional. That would be fine by me as well, whether that’s while he is at ND or somewhere else. I harbor no ill will toward TR. I just happen to think ND can do better than what TR has shown so far. 

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Just now, AnTostal said:

I wouldn’t mind seeing Rees go away. ND could easily find someone at least as good, and probably (IMHO) better. 
He may turn out to be exceptional. That would be fine by me as well, whether that’s while he is at ND or somewhere else. I harbor no ill will toward TR. I just happen to think ND can do better than what TR has shown so far. 

I don't see it happening this year. Maybe Hartman has a very good next year propelling Rees to a head coaching job. Who knows?

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10 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

What's your solution? Do you fire him? His family has a strong relationship with Sam Hartman. The offense scored 45 and gave up 14 yesterday netting 31 which was their average for the season before yesterday.

Yes, you get an experienced offensive coordinator…probably someone who was a former head coach…Justin Fuente type of guy.  I don’t care about one player…are we even getting the dude?  Still haven’t heard anything official…

Anyway, ND is not the place for a green newbie to cut his teeth at OC.

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Just now, irishwavend said:

Yes, you get an experienced offensive coordinator…probably someone who was a former head coach…Justin Fuente type of guy.  I don’t care about one player…are we even getting the dude?  Still haven’t heard anything official…

Anyway, ND is not the place for a green newbie to cut his teeth at OC.

Do you think Freeman will fire Rees? I don't.

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1 minute ago, irishwavend said:

Yes, you get an experienced offensive coordinator…probably someone who was a former head coach…Justin Fuente type of guy.  I don’t care about one player…are we even getting the dude?  Still haven’t heard anything official…

Anyway, ND is not the place for a green newbie to cut his teeth at OC.

At this point, Rees with three years experience as OC is not a newbie but is probably around approaching the average in terms of years of experience calling plays. 

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Rees is what he is, a by product of our former coach, who has little growth and exposure outside of that experience.  

I will credit him with some well called games, Clemson stands out this season.  However he has made a lot of boneheaded mistakes in play calls and in game situations.  Two happened last night in the red zone.  The first was when early in the game and we settled for a FG.  We were passing at the 5 I believe and TB12 was dropped for a big sack and loss.  The second was the 100 yard INT.  Both were bad calls and put a lot if pressure on TB12.  That close to the EZ there's no reason not to use our battering ram RB's, and eat the clock to go up 2 scores for the latter.  That's situational Football 101, and Tom is flunking...

Rees isn't going to be fired.  He will leave when he wants to, my prediction is next year especially if the offense is more steady and consistent with Hartman leading the charge.  He would have suitors.

What I do wish is that we hire a Co-OC or someone with actual experience of working with and improving QB performance.  I heard all about TB12 seeing things and learning in the booth while he was hurt.  However I do not see our QBs having better footwork, throwing mechanics, or going through their progressions.  That goes back a long ways.  And its the whole QB room that needs to be coached up not just the starter.

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2 minutes ago, jessemoore97 said:

Rees is what he is, a by product of our former coach, who has little growth and exposure outside of that experience.  

I will credit him with some well called games, Clemson stands out this season.  However he has made a lot of boneheaded mistakes in play calls and in game situations.  Two happened last night in the red zone.  The first was when early in the game and we settled for a FG.  We were passing at the 5 I believe and TB12 was dropped for a big sack and loss.  The second was the 100 yard INT.  Both were bad calls and put a lot if pressure on TB12.  That close to the EZ there's no reason not to use our battering ram RB's, and eat the clock to go up 2 scores for the latter.  That's situational Football 101, and Tom is flunking...

Rees isn't going to be fired.  He will leave when he wants to, my prediction is next year especially if the offense is more steady and consistent with Hartman leading the charge.  He would have suitors.

What I do wish is that we hire a Co-OC or someone with actual experience of working with and improving QB performance.  I heard all about TB12 seeing things and learning in the booth while he was hurt.  However I do not see our QBs having better footwork, throwing mechanics, or going through their progressions.  That goes back a long ways.  And its the whole QB room that needs to be coached up not just the starter.

On QBs... TB was a big project (mechanics) to start with. I don't like big projects lol... I want a natural QB that does not require major surgery... 

On the RZ/EZ calls. He called plays vs the D. One worked well (back across the grain for a TD), and one was bad execution. I understand that some wanted RBs, but they were stacking, and the pass plays were there (open guys). I prefer aggressive I guess, and no fear regardless of QB (especially in a big game). 

Rumor that Rees was very popular at LAC, and could go back with ease. IMO, he's being patient at ND until he gets a true QB. Coan was the nearest, and he was still very limited. Hartman isn't elite, but better than Coan. IMO, has better with reading Ds and progressions. Should unlock several things in our O. 

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Don't get me wrong the Evans TD was a beauty, and that was appropriate given the situation and designed play it was from that area in the RZ(not the 5ush yard line).

The 100 yard INT was atrociously bad and TB12 never should have had to execute it.  Sixish minutes left to play, ball on the seven, up by seven, defense absolutely gased from our backs pounding them.  Loaded box or not you pound it a couple times with Estime, burn probably a minute maybe two off the clock, and if you don't score a TD you kick a FG to go up 2 scores with 4 minutes plus change with a rested D who stopped them all 2nd half.  Freeman in his post game interview even said it was the wrong call, which I believe he should have a say in if he didn't get told, but that's another topic.

As far as being patient until he gets a true QB, that's entirely on him as the OC, QB coach, and recruiter.  He is entirely responsible for what he has to work with and shouldn't complain.  Plus he should be improving the talent he gets to play major DI FB and prepare his players for possible pro aspirations.  He is entirely a product of the QB whisperer former coach he learned under, in which every QB we had regressed or never noticeably improved their QB acumen while playing here. 

Coan and maybe Hartman, are 2 QBs that we have to rely on someone else developing because we cannot develope our own worth a rip.  Book was not markedly better as a polished/well rounded QB from day one until he graduated as a multi year starter.  If Rees needs finished QBs then he should go to the league where all he needs to do is call plays and not develope his players.  His mentor couldn't do it and he appears the same way.

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