Guest bfabes05 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 The Heisman Memorial Trophy, won by greats like Tim Brown and Paul Hourning in ND's storied history. But what does one player have to do to win this award. Win Games? Be On the Best Team in The Country? Just Rip the Stat Books Apart? Or does it come down to just one thing, being the best player in the country at the most crucial time. With 1:02 remaining Charlie Weis asked Brady Quinn the following: "You got one left in ya kid?" "I always do." As Quinn took the field, the one thing that sticks in your head is Tom Hammond explaining the situation, and saying one thing that will last in my mind for the rest of my life, the quote that made me believe that this kid is special and may not only be the best Quarterback in Notre Dame history because of stats but because of things like this "This is where legends are made" Sure Notre Dame is far from perfect, sure they looked downright horrible against Michigan about a month ago, and sure they don't really look like a team that can contend for a national title. But for that 1:02 this team looked absoulutly unstopable. The line gave Brady Quinn time, the receievers got open, and Brady Quinn and his number 1 man made one of the biggest plays in ND recent history on that pass for 45 yards. Heisman caliber players step up when needed the most, they make the right throw, the right read, and the right play to put their team in place for victory. Brady Quinn may have lost the Heisman that day against the Wolverines, and Troy Smith may be rolling his way to winning it. But dont doubt for a second that Quinn doesnt have a chance after his performance Saturday against the 9th ranked Bruin defense. If Smith slips up, its going to very very interesting. Because for that 1:02 in that 4th quarter, Brady Quinn did his Joe Montana impersonation and became a legend, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest irishrick Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 hi o5, great post, my only problem is that Brady , no doubt a great quarterback, but i can't put him that close to Joe, , first of all Brady made a lot of poor passes in this game, so lets not put him next to Joe just yet, one pass in my mind doesn't make the kid like Joe. sorry give him more time . first of all we NEVER SHOULD BEEN IN THAT POSITION TO THROW THE PASS. go irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketsurgery Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 heisman definition: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050831/050831_quinn_vmed_11a.widec.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imroc Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 hi o5, great post, my only problem is that Brady , no doubt a great quarterback, but i can't put him that close to Joe, , first of all Brady made a lot of poor passes in this game, so lets not put him next to Joe just yet, one pass in my mind doesn't make the kid like Joe. sorry give him more time . first of all we NEVER SHOULD BEEN IN THAT POSITION TO THROW THE PASS. go irish I disagree. Brady is a better QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imroc Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 (let the drama begin ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bryan Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 I disagree. Brady is a better QB. I hope you're being facetious, just like you were in your Stanford and Purdue predictions. But for good measure, I'll offer an empirical rebuttal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F01fvTUPooE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNE2OA_Hy54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imroc Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 I'm not sure why you're bringing NFL stuff into this, we're talking Heisman and Irish football, not 49ers.... Joe Montana Ht 6-2 Wt 200 Hometown New Eagle, PA Years Played 1975, 1977-78 Year Atts Comp Yards TDs 1975 66 28 507 4 1976 0 0 0 0 1977 214 109 1715 12 1978 294 154 2173 11 TOTAL 574 291 4395 27 Brady Quinn Hometown: Dublin, OH Height / Weight: 6-4 / 227 Birthdate: 10/27/1984 G-GS PA PC Int. Pct. Yds. TD LG, 2003 12-9 332 157 15 .473 1831 9 85 2004 12-12 353 191 10 .541 2586 17 54 2005 12-12 450* 292* 7 .649 3919* 32* 80 TOTAL 36-33 1135* 640* 32 .564 8336* 58* 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bryan Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 I'll admit fault with regards to bringing the NFL into the mix. I mistakenly believed we were arguing this from a holistic approach. But under Montana, the Irish won a national championship and two bowl games, which Quinn has yet to do. In regard to that, Quinn has accomplished reliatively little. Their statistics, however, aren't comparable because of the difference between their eras of play and the fact that Montana was injured for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gallup21 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 true, their eras were different. but their stats arent just a little better, Bradys are astoundingly better...i know he played more time, but hes probably better than the old QB who started infront of JoeMo. And Bradys led some comebacks this season......and almost 1 last season against the ex!! #1 team....USC.....this year though, G Tech, MSU, UCLA....3 right off the bat, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imroc Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 comeback kidd II also had a comeback drive against stanford last season too. There are differences in both scenarios, but I say that Brady is the better of NCAA qbs. will brady fair as Joe in the NFL? Well, if anything, Brady has an NFL style coach preppin him, but it's up to the NFL coach who recieves him to tell the future. He may be ruined as Mirer was, he may not. Also, BQ played for one of the worst coaches at ND of all time. Joes coach wasn't. BQ's coach had a horrible team passed one from the other worst coach, Joes coach didn't. I'd say that if Coach Weis had started at ND 2 years earlier, we wouldn't even have been arguing this point. BQ4Heisman Baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imroc Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 But under Montana, the Irish won a national championship and two bowl games, which Quinn has yet to do. In regard to that, Quinn has accomplished reliatively little.. relatively little?! School Records Held By Quinn: SINGLE GAME: Completions (33, vs. Michigan State, 2005 - record shared with Joe Theismann, 33, at USC, 1970) Consecutive Completions (14 vs. Ohio State in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl - record shared with Ron Powlus, 14, vs. Michigan State, 1997) Touchdown Passes (6 vs. BYU, 2005) Passes without an interception (45 vs. Ohio State, 2006 Fiesta Bowl) SINGLE SEASON: Passing Attempts (450, 2005) Attempts Per Game (37.5, 2005) Passing Completions (292, 2005) Completions Per Game (24.3, 2005) Completion Percentage (64.9, 2005) Pass Efficiency Rating (158.4, 2005) Passing Yards (3919, 2005) Passing Yards Per Game (326.6, 2005) Touchdown Passes (32, 2005) Passes without an interception, multiple games (130 - USC 2005 - Navy 2005) Total Plays (520 in 2005) Yards Gained (4,009 in 2005) Yards Per Game (334.1 in 2005) Points Responsible For (198 in 2005) Points Responsible For, Per Game (16.5 in 2005) CAREER: Passing Attempts (1135 and counting, 2003-present) Attempts Per Game (31.5, 2003-present) Passing Completions (640 and counting, 2003-present) Passing Yards (8336 and counting, 2003-present) Passing Yards Per Game (231.6, 2003-present) Touchdown Passes (58 and counting, 2003-present) Total Plays (1307 and counting, 2003-present) Yards Gained (8,447 and counting, 2003-present) Yards Per Game (234.6, 2003-present) Points Responsible For (372 and counting, 2003-present) Points Responsible For, Per Game (10.3, 2003-present) You're kiddin' me, right? Individuals do not win bowl games and national titles, Teams do. Big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bfabes05 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 GREAT POINT IMROC! View story on Brady on main page, he doesnt even have a good o'line right now and look what hes doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imroc Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Brady Quinn #2 John Imre ND Irish Fans.com October 25, 2006 Notre Dame Quarterback, Brady Quinn, is back in the running for the Heisman Trophy. Riding in at a tight #2 behind Ohio State's Troy Smith, Brady Quinn has a lot of making up to do. Click HERE To Vote! Next Heisman in line? http://www.geocities.com/j_imre/webImages/bq4heisman.gifhttp://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/hsmn/graphics/1987-Tim-Brown.jpg http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/hsmn/graphics/1964-John-Huarte.jpghttp://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/hsmn/graphics/1956-Paul-Hornung.jpg http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/hsmn/graphics/1953-John-Lattner.jpghttp://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/hsmn/graphics/1949-Leon-Hart.jpg http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/hsmn/graphics/1947-John-Lujack.jpghttp://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/hsmn/graphics/1943-Angelo-Bertelli.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDJoe06 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I see what everyone is saying...but defining a heisman really has nothing to do with Joe Montana(Although one should genuflect when saying his name). A true Heismann winner: -has to be teh best player on the team -has to win games you should -has to win games you shouldn't -has to elevate the play of everyone around them -when victory is indoubt, all eyes (teammates, fans, coaches, opponenets) are on him. -Numbers have to be good...but they are not everything -one must also aks "what would the teams record be w/out him -Off the field character(this includes grades because this is a student athlete...college football is great because unlike the pro's, these kids only play part time, its only half of their schedule) -And don't forget some highlight reel of extraordinary feats of athletic ability (long runs, amazing touch passes, game winning scores, last second drives...) Guys if i missed somthign just add it (i'm writing this during my Civil Procedure class so it may not be complete) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SirJohn Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Heismen? Imroc I saw the front of your site this morning. Course I saw paul Hornung there with his what we used to call Spit or Kiss Curl, back then. Since he's from my hometown, my old neighborhood, old, now closed HS and I see him. Remember the only Heisman winner from a losing team (2 wins) In 1956 Paul led his Notre Dame team in offense. Led the team in Passing. Led the team in rushing. Led the team in scoring. Led in Kick off and punt returns. Led in punting. He also played Defense and led his team in passes broken up and led in interceptions and tackles made. That's a Heisman player back then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bryan Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 But under Montana, the Irish won a national championship and two bowl games, which Quinn has yet to do. In regard to that, Quinn has accomplished reliatively little.. relatively little?! School Records Held By Quinn: SINGLE GAME: Completions (33, vs. Michigan State, 2005 - record shared with Joe Theismann, 33, at USC, 1970) Consecutive Completions (14 vs. Ohio State in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl - record shared with Ron Powlus, 14, vs. Michigan State, 1997) Touchdown Passes (6 vs. BYU, 2005) Passes without an interception (45 vs. Ohio State, 2006 Fiesta Bowl) SINGLE SEASON: Passing Attempts (450, 2005) Attempts Per Game (37.5, 2005) Passing Completions (292, 2005) Completions Per Game (24.3, 2005) Completion Percentage (64.9, 2005) Pass Efficiency Rating (158.4, 2005) Passing Yards (3919, 2005) Passing Yards Per Game (326.6, 2005) Touchdown Passes (32, 2005) Passes without an interception, multiple games (130 - USC 2005 - Navy 2005) Total Plays (520 in 2005) Yards Gained (4,009 in 2005) Yards Per Game (334.1 in 2005) Points Responsible For (198 in 2005) Points Responsible For, Per Game (16.5 in 2005) CAREER: Passing Attempts (1135 and counting, 2003-present) Attempts Per Game (31.5, 2003-present) Passing Completions (640 and counting, 2003-present) Passing Yards (8336 and counting, 2003-present) Passing Yards Per Game (231.6, 2003-present) Touchdown Passes (58 and counting, 2003-present) Total Plays (1307 and counting, 2003-present) Yards Gained (8,447 and counting, 2003-present) Yards Per Game (234.6, 2003-present) Points Responsible For (372 and counting, 2003-present) Points Responsible For, Per Game (10.3, 2003-present) And after having thrown for over 17,000 yards and 117 touchdowns, Hawaii quarterback Timmy Chang left the NCAA as its all-time passing statistical leader. Point? Statistics don't mean everything. You're kiddin' me, right? Individuals do not win bowl games and national titles, Teams do. Big difference The Heisman voters don't see it that way. Tell that to Peyton Manning, who was punished for Tennessee's inauspicious record against Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Murph421 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 It's not like Quinn is throwing the ball 50+ times a game like Timmy Chang, and he is not playing the likes of Louisiana Tech, Utah State, and Idaho. Quinn is putting up excellent stats, against good opponents, while making the clutch plays that get the team wins. I'm a Montana fan, but at the college level Brady Quinn is ahead of Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imroc Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Heisman: http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/9dc38fb7-69a6-46df-90d0-7fea9063c57f.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwoodND Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 GUys if you were only talking stats I t hink BQ will actually beat some of his own records from last year.I think its very possible.I do believe that he has made alot of room up in the heisman race and Troy Smith really didn't have a Heisman day yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bfabes05 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Brady looked damn good against Navy and its gunna come down to him and Troy till the end of the year, it sure is going to be entertaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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