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How Much Rees Sucks

Why Freeman was a terrible hire. 

How they need to fire Del How they should have fired Del sooner. 

Why X recruit who just committed to ND is overrated

Why X recruit who just committed elsewhere is underrated and Notre Dame screwed up the recruitment

Somehow Johnson is an even worse passer than Angeli. Rees has no clue what he’s doing. 

@ELDER06 You seem to be arguing in bad faith. You're obviously entitled to your opinion, and I'm not trying to change it. However, bad faith and straw man arguments can get tiresome.

@tneun89 provided a post full of data regarding QB recruiting under Rees. If your analysis of that post was that "Rees can't recruit," then I'm curious what "recruit" means to you.

Is he required to land a top X QB prospect to be considered capable of recruiting by you? Does he need to land a specific player? Does he have to lead ND to a national championship?

I'm legitimately curious what your requirements are. That may help us have a more productive conversation.

21 minutes ago, Tailgate Approved said:

@ELDER06 You seem to be arguing in bad faith. You're obviously entitled to your opinion, and I'm not trying to change it. However, bad faith and straw man arguments can get tiresome.

@tneun89 provided a post full of data regarding QB recruiting under Rees. If your analysis of that post was that "Rees can't recruit," then I'm curious what "recruit" means to you.

Is he required to land a top X QB prospect to be considered capable of recruiting by you? Does he need to land a specific player? Does he have to lead ND to a national championship?

I'm legitimately curious what your requirements are. That may help us have a more productive conversation.

Rees needs to land & develop an elite QB. I’m not arguing in bad faith, I’d rather he get Dante Moore than fail again and prove me right. However, I don’t have much faith based on his track record. 
 

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22 minutes ago, Tailgate Approved said:

@ELDER06 You seem to be arguing in bad faith. You're obviously entitled to your opinion, and I'm not trying to change it. However, bad faith and straw man arguments can get tiresome.

I believe that is the crux of why people dont like his posts and why he got suspended. Someone mentioned "Mental Toughness." Constant bad faith arguments in every thread lead to suspensions. I have him blocked, but everyone still quotes him, I like how Tailgate simply @'d him... I wish more people would stop taking his bait and quoting his bad faith arguments...

9 minutes ago, ELDER06 said:

Rees needs to land & develop an elite QB. I’m not arguing in bad faith, I’d rather he get Dante Moore than fail again and prove me right. However, I don’t have much faith based on his track record. 
 

Overall, I’m just kinda pissed me off at all of you who bitched non stop about Kelly but don’t seem to care about the same mistakes being repeated by the current staff. I’m also pissed off so many of you blindly bought into the hype on social media. Freeman has proven to be an elite DEFENSIVE recruiter but offensively, the future is dim. 

I think you might be rushing your assessment because of what happened in the bowl game.

 

Here's my Assessment:

Both Elston(as DC) and Quinn FAILED: Both don't work at ND anymore.

ND Could NOT hold a lead by controlling the clock in the RUN GAME

Alexander failed in in-season recruitiing. He no longer works at ND

Let Freeman attempt to fix these issues and then have a FIRST GAME with a full staff before buying or selling futures stock on the ND program.

7 minutes ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

I think you might be rushing your assessment because of what happened in the bowl game.

 

Here's my Assessment:

Both Elston(as DC) and Quinn FAILED: Both don't work at ND anymore.

ND Could NOT hold a lead by controlling the clock in the RUN GAME

Alexander failed in in-season recruitiing. He no longer works at ND

Let Freeman attempt to fix these issues and then have a FIRST GAME with a full staff before buying or selling futures stock on the ND program.

ND would be mistaken trying to follow UGA’s blueprint from this yr. That’s just not going to work the majority of the time. If ND wants to be Defense first and run heavy, they’ll just end up being Wisconsin.

Signing Angeli is a failure and so is offering Johnson. His 2nd best offer is Wisconsin, what does that tell you? Rees is out of his depth. 

1 minute ago, ELDER06 said:

ND would be mistaken trying to follow UGA’s blueprint from this yr. That’s just not going to work the majority of the time. If ND wants to be Defense first and run heavy, they’ll just end up being Wisconsin.

Signing Angeli is a failure and so is offering Johnson. His 2nd best offer is Wisconsin, what does that tell you? Rees is out of his depth. 

If thats true, Freeman will assess him and FIRE him. But he scored 35 vs OKSU a good defense with COAN. Freeman needs the time and your patience to gather his own data points.

34 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

I believe that is the crux of why people dont like his posts and why he got suspended. Someone mentioned "Mental Toughness." Constant bad faith arguments in every thread lead to suspensions. I have him blocked, but everyone still quotes him, I like how Tailgate simply @'d him... I wish more people would stop taking his bait and quoting his bad faith arguments...

Thats why i created this thread, tongue and cheek, not i can just ignore one thread (after today that is, im enjoying my masterpiece)

1 hour ago, ELDER06 said:

So what you’re telling me is Rees can’t recruit. Thanks for agreeing with me. I don’t get the hype, should’ve let Kelly take his butt to LSU. If all you’re bringing in are the Angeli and Avery Johnsons of the world, you’re not fit to be QB coach/OC at ND. 

I don't agree with you at all. Look at the rankings and offer lists of the commits. He's not landing elite guy year after year like OSU or Alabama, but to look at that list and say he sucks at recruiting is just not being fair or logical. 

As for 2023, he needs to land Moore or Vizzina. Not sure where the Avery Johnson stuff is coming from. He doesn't have the green light to commit because ND wants Moore or Vizzina. 

 

 

Just now, tneun89 said:

I don't agree with you at all. Look at the rankings and offer lists of the commits. He's not landing elite guy year after year like OSU or Alabama, but to look at that list and say he sucks at recruiting is just not being fair or logical. 

As for 2023, he needs to land Moore or Vizzina. Not sure where the Avery Johnson stuff is coming from. He doesn't have the green light to commit because ND wants Moore or Vizzina. 

 

 

Love your posts. Thank you!

@ELDER06 Thanks for the reply.

I'm not clear what you mean by "elite." I see that top 100 is not sufficient  (based on Jurk & Buchner), so that gives me a starting point to narrow the boundaries. Does it need to be a top 50 QB? 5 star? Your own evaluation? 

On a related note, what would you need to see out of Buchner or Pyne next season to indicate that Rees has done a good job developing them?

1 hour ago, FaithInIrishForever said:

If thats true, Freeman will assess him and FIRE him. But he scored 35 vs OKSU a good defense with COAN. Freeman needs the time and your patience to gather his own data points.

He’s not bad when it comes to play calling and schemes. However, he needs an elite QB to take ND to the next level. 

47 minutes ago, Tailgate Approved said:

@ELDER06 Thanks for the reply.

I'm not clear what you mean by "elite." I see that top 100 is not sufficient  (based on Jurk & Buchner), so that gives me a starting point to narrow the boundaries. Does it need to be a top 50 QB? 5 star? Your own evaluation? 

On a related note, what would you need to see out of Buchner or Pyne next season to indicate that Rees has done a good job developing them?

High 4*/5*. Key criteria being a QB with a strong enough arm to stretch the field, but also throw with accuracy. Being a good athlete/running QB is just a bonus. 
 

Pyne is too small to ever be truly elite. I appreciate him sticking around as we’ve all seen how valuable an experienced backup can be. Buchner needs to be more accurate and read Defenses better. He has the raw skill of an elite QB but that’s only half the equation. 

1 hour ago, tneun89 said:

I don't agree with you at all. Look at the rankings and offer lists of the commits. He's not landing elite guy year after year like OSU or Alabama, but to look at that list and say he sucks at recruiting is just not being fair or logical. 

As for 2023, he needs to land Moore or Vizzina. Not sure where the Avery Johnson stuff is coming from. He doesn't have the green light to commit because ND wants Moore or Vizzina. 

 

 

ND isn’t the leader for Moore or Vizzina. Also with Arnold committing to OK, it only makes sense that Johnson being the 4th option is who they sign. 

Just now, ELDER06 said:

He’s not bad when it comes to play calling and schemes. However, he needs an elite QB to take ND to the next level. 

So you are not for Firing Rees. Correct? Or in your opinion does his recruiting become fireable?