Buchner is a mid/tier Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern type of QB.  He'd be great for a program in the 50-100 rankings, for sure. 

Avg Arm, mobile, overall just boring without upside.  Certainly not a QB you can compete for anything meaningful with (Just like Coan, Book, etc).

Next year will be just another wasted season.  They will win one of the Clemson/BYU/UNC games, get hammered by OSU,  and win 8 vs the other dogs on their schedule. 

Same old Same old.  Notre Dame will never be a top tier program until they can recruit elite QBs to get them to the next level. 

Jack Miller would have been an instant upgrade.  Oh well. 

1 hour ago, ndomer4 said:

I’ve been telling everyone Buchner is not the guy and that Pyne gives this team the best chance to win. It might be time to give Angelli a chance however. 
 

 

 

Neither Pyne or Buchner are the solution.

If Angelli cannot play you now have a roster devoid of a starting calibre QB. Which is just unacceptable roster management.

18 minutes ago, Soko said:

Neither Pyne or Buchner are the solution.

If Angelli cannot play you now have a roster devoid of a starting calibre QB. Which is just unacceptable roster management.

And what's been the rub for the past 12 years?  Our QBs got worse or stagnated in the program.  There were no players under BK who actually got better and elevated their game while they were here.  There were some good individual seasons here and there, usually their first season as a starter with a parred down playbook, strong line and RB, and good D.  However even in those years, against a decent DC or elite team, the offense and by virtue the QB struggled. 

Book for being a three year starter didn't appear to be any better as a QB from beginning to the end.  He didn't get noticably better as a passer as he aged.  Our staff doesn't seem to be able to teach a QB, or perhaps they don't know what type of QB they want.  Maybe they aren't that great of evaluators of talent.  I still say the scheme/system is rotten and something totally different should be brought in.  Divorce ourselves entirely from the BK offensive shitfest and its disciples.

On 1/2/2022 at 3:38 PM, NDhoosier said:

I stopped reading after this comment. Buchner was an elite QB coming out of HS and what has he shown you that he is mid-tier. You are just an Elder06 who is hating on Buchner with no basis for your evaluation.

This is so good.  

Lol - Buchner couldnt even beat out 3 star, unwanted, wisco benched jack coan last year and the fans are shocked that he sucks

Edited September 11, 20222 yr by NDLincPark

Your point still does not stand. If you think this loss is on Buchner, then you really are a worse evaluator than I originally thought.

But it is interesting to see you with only 12 posts over a span almost a year and all of them are negative and only showing up after a loss...

11 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

Your point still does not stand. If you think this loss is on Buchner, then you really are a worse evaluator than I originally thought.

But it is interesting to see you with only 12 posts over a span almost a year and all of them are negative and only showing up after a loss...

Buchner will never be the solution. Terrible throwing motion and slow delivery, he pushes the ball. The accuracy is poor and there is little to no touch. When does he ever get to his second read? This contributes to his turnovers because defenders can already ID this on tape.
 

He’s got no feel in the pocket and doesn’t protect the football. At least Wimbush could tear up anyone on the ground outside of the the top 10, Buchner is just a good athlete, far from a great one. 
 

The loss is not solely on Buchner but we saw glimpses of the same stuff when he threw from the pocket last year. Better OL or not, this team will be lucky to get to a bowl game. Pyne isn’t the answer either unfortunately. This is 2007 level bad, I say throw Angelli in and see what you have before you make a run at a few transfers. 

Anybody that watched TB play last year and thought he would be this great QB was fairly delusional. I kept hearing these reports of how good he looked at practices leading in to the season. Great, but that's practice. I wanted to see how that would translate in to game-speed, real world play under the bright lights and on the big stage. I wasn't even cautiously optimistic because I couldn't get last year's TB out of my mind...and what I'm seeing is yes, a slightly more confident kid out there, but with all the same deficiencies he had last year.

LOL - This is Clev Browns level ineptitude. 

 

2022	Tyler Buchner	So.	September 3	2	0–2
2021	Jack Coan	Sr.	September 5	13	11–2
2020	Ian Book	Sr.		12	10–2
2019	Ian Book	Sr.		13	11–2
2018	Brandon Wimbush	Sr.		4	4–0
	Ian Book	Jr.		9	8–1
2017	Brandon Wimbush	Jr.	September 2	12	9–3
	Ian Book	So.	October 6	1	1–0
2016	DeShone Kizer	So.		12	4–8
2015	DeShone Kizer	Fr.	September 19	11	8–3
	Malik Zaire	Jr.		2	2–0
2014	Everett Golson	Sr.		12	7–5
	Malik Zaire	So.	December 30	1	1–0
2013	Tommy Rees	Sr.		13	9–4
2012	Tommy Rees	Jr.		2	2–0
	Everett Golson	So.	September 1	11	10–1
2011	Tommy Rees	So.		12	8–4
	Dayne Crist	Sr.		1	0–1
2010	Tommy Rees	Fr.	November 13	4	4–0
	Dayne Crist	Jr.	September 4	9	4–5
2009	Jimmy Clausen	Jr.		12	6–6	AA
2008	Jimmy Clausen	So.		13	7–6
2007	Evan Sharpley	Jr.	October 20	2	0–2
	Jimmy Clausen	Fr.	September 8	9	3–6
	Demetrius Jones	So.	September 1	1	0–1