Posted October 2, 20213 yr The more I watch I feel Rees/Quinn are BVG 2.0. Keely hired his boys and is to loyal to them. It’s Kelly’s biggest flaw. He sticks with guys and hires guys that have no business coaching at ND. Edited October 2, 20213 yr by ndfanatic78
October 2, 20213 yr It never works out for Kelly…. Elko, Lea, Freeman, Long, etc.. all outside hires and worked out. BVG cost us a playoff, won’t be shocked if these two mid major level coaches do too.
October 2, 20213 yr Rees was top 10 in efficiency last year.... I could provide more stats, but efficiency is the best if your looking at an OC.... The OL is what is killing us. And yes, kick Quinn down the road.
October 2, 20213 yr 8 minutes ago, OKelleyIrish said: Rees was top 10 in efficiency last year.... I could provide more stats, but efficiency is the best if your looking at an OC.... The OL is what is killing us. And yes, kick Quinn down the road. Brian Kelly is what's killing them. They have the dudes to go UC run power, counter, trap, sprinkle in zone running and run pass action off of those looks and bludgeon people to submission. They have 50% passers(at best) and trying to run spread. Spread QBs need to be closer to 70% because you use quick throws to keep teams honest since they don't really pound the rock very well. Quinns guys aren't performing and he's going to get the axe, but I agree Rees isn't the problem.
October 2, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, JTennant said: Brian Kelly is what's killing them. They have the dudes to go UC run power, counter, trap, sprinkle in zone running and run pass action off of those looks and bludgeon people to submission. They have 50% passers(at best) and trying to run spread. Spread QBs need to be closer to 70% because you use quick throws to keep teams honest since they don't really pound the rock very well. Quinns guys aren't performing and he's going to get the axe, but I agree Rees isn't the problem. The O this year feels like it has BK's fingerprints all over it. Gives me a sadz lol.. Very different feel from last year. Coan can be a 70% guy if he had an OL. He was 80% early like 9-11. Pyne could likely be 60% if we had an OL. They just are both incomplete guys. If I could merge them, we'd have a good QB lol. Just not sure BK will toss his old buddy (Quinn). I hope so, because the OL hasn't had a nasty feel since Harry left. And I agree we have the guys that should be able to be successful in power schemes. I also think I'm ready to let Spindler have a go.
October 3, 20213 yr 10 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said: Rees was top 10 in efficiency last year.... I could provide more stats, but efficiency is the best if your looking at an OC.... The OL is what is killing us. And yes, kick Quinn down the road. Lol.. we meet again on the topic.
October 4, 20213 yr 14 hours ago, Rattlesnake said: Lol.. we meet again on the topic. On both topics (Rees adn Quinn), there's plenty of data anyone can look at to form an educated opinion on either. Quinn you could say is owns several declining areas on the OL that can actually be measured. There's really nothing factually that points to Rees being a problem except individual eye tests on a myriad of things. I'm not 100% sold on the guy, but I will say that most of the things I don't like about our O wreaks of BK, not Tommy. I'm happy to have a fact and data conversation on either. I've looked moderately deep on both and armed with plenty of info. Most screaming for firings though are just emotional folks that haven't looked beyond their unhappiness.
October 4, 20213 yr Rees had a veteran line - all Heistand recruits- and QB last year. Now that he and Quinn fully own the offense they suck. Problem is, Tommy is an inexperienced pup compared to crony Quinn. Who’s in charge? The crony inexperienced coordinator, or the old crony OLine coach? This feels a lot like Brey, where a few good years bought Brey security and mediocrity.
October 4, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Frankus said: Rees had a veteran line - all Heistand recruits- and QB last year. Now that he and Quinn fully own the offense they suck. Problem is, Tommy is an inexperienced pup compared to crony Quinn. Who’s in charge? The crony inexperienced coordinator, or the old crony OLine coach? This feels a lot like Brey, where a few good years bought Brey security and mediocrity. Keep in mind NW raved about him at his first stop, and he got a lot of props from the Chargers when he was there. It's the reason he was hired as the QB coach. Keep in mind that it was Rees that coached Book from 17-19 before becoming OC last year. I'm still not sold on the guy, but acting like he's trash after a very good 2020 is pretty silly. And with the OL situation, downright twilight zone... And I wouldn't call him a BK crony. Quinn is absolutely a BK retread, but Tommy was considered a rising star and was rumored to be getting a lot of interest from other teams while QB coach. Edited October 4, 20213 yr by OKelleyIrish
October 4, 20213 yr 20 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said: Keep in mind NW raved about him at his first stop, and he got a lot of props from the Chargers when he was there. It's the reason he was hired as the QB coach. Keep in mind that it was Rees that coached Book from 17-19 before becoming OC last year. I'm still not sold on the guy, but acting like he's trash after a very good 2020 is pretty silly. And with the OL situation, downright twilight zone... And I wouldn't call him a BK crony. Quinn is absolutely a BK retread, but Tommy was considered a rising star and was rumored to be getting a lot of interest from other teams while QB coach. Rising star doesn’t mean shit. What had he done before being hired? Rees should have earned the job by actually being an offensive coordinator. He’s facing a a situation he’s never encountered. He’s learning on the job.
October 4, 20213 yr Interesting article about Kelly's history with assistant coaches https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-brian-kelly-flaws-exposed-by-cincinnati Quote This game was indicative of what has kept Brian Kelly from taking the Notre Dame program to the next level. It's his inability to get his teams ready to play in "big games" and his unwillingness to properly identify and address coaches that are falling short. Those two "issues" go hand in hand. Edited October 4, 20213 yr by jbrown_9999
October 5, 20213 yr 3 hours ago, Frankus said: Rising star doesn’t mean shit. What had he done before being hired? Rees should have earned the job by actually being an offensive coordinator. He’s facing a a situation he’s never encountered. He’s learning on the job. Well... he coached Book to play beyond what most thought was his ceiling as QBC many credit him for the little good that came out of Long's OCing lol, and many credit him for the game plan/win vs LSU. he had a great to elite year efficiency and statistically wise last year in his first year as OC. So your unhappiness I'm guessing is either limited to this year (which is severely stunted by OL play), or you just never gave him a chance in the first place. If I'm wrong, please tell me what he's done so badly (stats, facts, not eye test). So honest question. Who did you want instead of Rees last year? I mean heck, we got the most sought after DC last year, and folks were knives out on him this year.
October 5, 20213 yr 20 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said: Well... he coached Book to play beyond what most thought was his ceiling as QBC many credit him for the little good that came out of Long's OCing lol, and many credit him for the game plan/win vs LSU. he had a great to elite year efficiency and statistically wise last year in his first year as OC. So your unhappiness I'm guessing is either limited to this year (which is severely stunted by OL play), or you just never gave him a chance in the first place. If I'm wrong, please tell me what he's done so badly (stats, facts, not eye test). So honest question. Who did you want instead of Rees last year? I mean heck, we got the most sought after DC last year, and folks were knives out on him this year. It’s not rocket science. I’d want ND to hire the best Offensive Coordinator available. One with multiple stops at major universities, and the NFL too if available, where a depth of experience and talent evaluation was developed. Hell, Alabama hired Bill O’Brien. We got a small timer crony. I just read that Pyne was told he was playing just before the second half kickoff. How does that happen? Rees had the entire halftime to get Pyne prepared mentally for what Cincinnati was doing defensively That’s inexcusable incompetence for a coach who is in charge of the offense.
October 5, 20213 yr 4 minutes ago, Frankus said: It’s not rocket science. I’d want ND to hire the best Offensive Coordinator available. One with multiple stops at major universities, and the NFL too if available, where a depth of experience and talent evaluation was developed. Hell, Alabama hired Bill O’Brien. We got a small timer crony. I just read that Pyne was told he was playing just before the second half kickoff. How does that happen? Rees had the entire halftime to get Pyne prepared mentally for what Cincinnati was doing defensively That’s inexcusable incompetence for a coach who is in charge of the offense. Dude, we're not Bama, and ND won't get passer-by NFL type OCs/DCs. And established guys from big programs don't want the academic hurdles that come with ND. We're a program that relies on up and comers. So I'll ask again. Who specifically did you want last year (that was realistic).
October 6, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, Frankus said: It’s not rocket science. I’d want ND to hire the best Offensive Coordinator available. One with multiple stops at major universities, and the NFL too if available, where a depth of experience and talent evaluation was developed. Hell, Alabama hired Bill O’Brien. We got a small timer crony. I just read that Pyne was told he was playing just before the second half kickoff. How does that happen? Rees had the entire halftime to get Pyne prepared mentally for what Cincinnati was doing defensively That’s inexcusable incompetence for a coach who is in charge of the offense. Who was available that fit this criteria when Rees was hired?
October 6, 20213 yr 27 minutes ago, NYGoldenDomer said: Who was available that fit this criteria when Rees was hired? Here is the direct quote from Brian Kelly when Rees was promoted: “After an extensive national search, I’m proud to name Tom Rees our next offensive coordinator,” said Kelly. It seems unrealistic that both Rees and Quinn happened to be the very best choices at the time given that supposedly two national searches happened. Once maybe but twice???
October 6, 20213 yr 2 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said: Here is the direct quote from Brian Kelly when Rees was promoted: “After an extensive national search, I’m proud to name Tom Rees our next offensive coordinator,” said Kelly. It seems unrealistic that both Rees and Quinn happened to be the very best choices at the time given that supposedly two national searches happened. Once maybe but twice??? I get that but who else was available at the time? I legit do not remember.
October 6, 20213 yr 55 minutes ago, NYGoldenDomer said: I get that but who else was available at the time? I legit do not remember. Some of the names that were kick around were Denbrock (talk about crony lol), OK's OC (why would he leave OK for a lateral), IU's OC (no thanks), OSU's Yurcich (QB coach), and Quinn (internal promote - big no thanks).. Some chatter about Lance Taylor getting an interview too, but to early.
October 6, 20213 yr 3 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said: Dude, we're not Bama, and ND won't get passer-by NFL type OCs/DCs. And established guys from big programs don't want the academic hurdles that come with ND. We're a program that relies on up and comers. So I'll ask again. Who specifically did you want last year (that was realistic). Matt Lafleur* not as a coordinator just as proof they have got passed by before also disagree. ND definitely can get passer by OC from the NFL and other big time college jobs. That’s simply not Kelly’s MO. He wants assistants who can mold in his philosophy. I really hate on the hate for Rees as I think Tommy is a good coach but Brian Kelly’s record speaks for itself. Quinn has to go. Edited October 6, 20213 yr by JTennant
October 6, 20213 yr 2 minutes ago, JTennant said: Matt Lafleur* not as a coordinator just as proof they have got passed by before also disagree. ND definitely can get passer by OC from the NFL and other big time college jobs. That’s simply not Kelly’s MO. He wants assistants who can mold in his philosophy. I really hate on the hate for Rees as I think Tommy is a good coach but Brian Kelly’s record speaks for itself. Quinn has to go. Lafleur was not an OC pass by. He was a QB coach that just got fired. Huge difference. I agree Quinn needs to go.
The more I watch I feel Rees/Quinn are BVG 2.0. Keely hired his boys and is to loyal to them. It’s Kelly’s biggest flaw. He sticks with guys and hires guys that have no business coaching at ND.
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