I will say it now, Coan will cost us a game if we don’t make this switch and I hope it’s not the Cincinnati game it costs us. We saw this movie in 2018, Wimbush almost cost us a few games but we made the switch before it was too late and the rest is history. 
 

With the way this team is currently constructed, Pyne gives us the best chance to win. He has a quicker release and is more decisive than Coan. He’s also much more athletic, has better pocket awareness and accuracy. Coan is a bad fit for this offence and the offence looked so much better with Pyne. There were even more running lanes because the threat of him running held the backers for just that split second. 
 

We don’t owe Coan anything, he’s a solid QB but you do realize Wisky chose Mertz over him. Yes we are 4-0 but we are 4-0 despite him. This team is very talented, however we could just as easily be 0-4 and our schedule hasn’t been murders row. 
 

Can anyone make a solid argument for Coan? I’m starting to question what the coaches are watching in practice? We’ve seen backups look better under Kelly before. There’s enough tape on Coan to know you can’t win a title with him. That’s the goal for Kelly isn’t it? In the small sample I saw today from Pyne, he showed more potential than Coan has ever flashed and it isn’t close. 
 

Really hope we don’t make this change before it’s too late because we know this line isn’t improving under Quinn and it is for that reason I think this change will be inevitable. 

9 hours ago, Rattlesnake said:

Surprised to see this from you. You like what you see from Coan? 

Not necessarily….but I’m definitely not ready to anoint a new king based on what I saw yesterday. I didn’t see enough. It’s like when people freaked out about Diaco or Tenuta or VanGorder after one killer defensive performance and then crap all over them when the sample size increases… 
 

I wasn’t a fan of bringing in Coan, I would have preferred to have some growing pains with one of our young QBs this year. At the end of the day, I’m glad they did because our o-line has been horrendous and every QB on our roster is going to struggle.

 

I saw Coan do some good things in a very tough environment week one. That resonates well with me better than the struggles of recent weeks. Heck, he hasn’t had time to throw the ball… how many sacks yesterday on him alone? Five? Six? 

Pyne has a quicker release, but he doesn’t give us a deep ball threat. My guess is that they hope the OLine improves and stick with Coan if he’s healthy. Pyne is more mobile than Coan, but he did not evade the defensive tackle who stripped him for a crucial fumble in a still tight game. Whether that’s due to a lack of game reps or not is anybody’s guess. At best, Pyne looks to me like Book 2.0, which isn’t bad, but better teams love not having to worry about getting burned deep. We have some serious deep speed with Lenzy particularly and it would be a shame not to utilize it. I believe our best chance is with Coan, but that assumes our OLine improves, which is a big if. 

9 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

To the bolded.

So you're saying 6 completions stacks up to all his starting experience, or even his game vs FSU where he had 350+ yards, 4 TDs, a great passer rating and QBR, all behind a horrible OL....

I agree Pyne might be the better answer, right now, due to the OL.... but it's only due to the OL. Let's not act like Pyne is an obvious get you to the playoffs kind of guy. 6 completions... 

I get it’s a tough environment and all but FSU is HORRIBLE. Yes, on 6 completions it is easy to see he has loads more potential. At this point there isn’t one thing Coan does better than a slightly stronger arm… and I’m not sure if that’s even the case. Pyne has plenty of zip and looks to be more accurate. 
 

I get the shiny new toy argument but we know what Coan is and even with last years o line, he’s not getting us to a playoff. Again I ask, what’s the goal this year? If it’s to win ten games then stay with Coan, but if it’s to potentially win a title we need to go with Pyne. 

Just wait until Pyne has a year in Kelly's system as a starter to get that confused, deer in the headlights look. I'm assuming the offense gives these guys too much to process before they select a read and throw the ball as the rookies seem to do really well coming in for relief or their first year as a starter. 

The 2 QB system cost us Texas in 2015. They need to ride the hot hand especially given Pyne has better escapability and they're gonna need that with an OL this bad. Throws a pretty good ball also..

The Problem with a QB change is isn't doesn't really relieve the problem that much.

The problem is the offensive line.

 

I know the counter is well Pyne gets it out quicker. Who got blind sided and fumbled the ball? That's right Pyne.

For everyone that says we miss Harry:

We miss

Eichenberg, Kraemer, Banks and Hainsey, Its unfair to say these 5, once we get a fresh 5 won't get there. But to say changing QB's helps that? 

Maybe Buchner.

In short, We'll need every QB on the Roster and they will all have some aches and pains while the line is transitioning

 

With this O-line, I have to seriously ask, if Buchner is a no-go again this week (Hammy issues can take surprisingly long to resolve) who is behind Pyne?

If our QB is going to get sacked 5x a half… no QB is safe here.

Just now, Green Goblin said:

With this O-line, I have to seriously ask, if Buchner is a no-go again this week (Hammy issues can take surprisingly long to resolve) who is behind Pyne?

If our QB is going to get sacked 5x a half… no QB is safe here.

Avery Davis could still do it. I know you think I'm nuts but he threw that 2 point conversion. Powlus is also hurt.

Why is the assumption that Coan has a stronger arm? From the little I saw yesterday, to me it seemed like Pyne had more “zip” on his passes than anything I’ve seen from Coan this year. Didn’t really see any deep balls so I can’t comment on that.

To me it’s consistency. Coan will Have a great drive, then 4 straight crappers. I’m not expecting points every drive, especially against better teams, but multiple 3 and outs in a row kills our defense.

Doesnt help we have ZERO run game but that is what it is. We’re a pass first offense.

Not sure I have an answer at this point as far as which QB gives us the best chance to win this season.

Get well soon Tyler!

While I have been on the switch to Buchner band wagon I will say that they all will have struggles.  The line seems to not look as bad when we have a QB in who can shift the pocket or roll out quickly which Coan clearly can't do.  However, I am seeing a lot of routes where the receievers are not getting open or good separation.  If Coan is going to be the guy then play calling has to change to a quick passing game.  If he holds it longer then two seconds he is going to  get hit. While I will concede he holds the ball to much you also have to admit the play calling is not getting the ball out quick enough.  

I am for going to one of the young guys purely to get their experience level up.  If some how BK gets 10 wins this season then it would be a heck of a job between the roster turnover, new D system, and a tough schedule.

Boy this is tough. I see both side of this debate. I think we all agree that the Oline is pathetic (especially at left tackle) and the primary problem. Unless we can fix this, it will not much matter who takes snaps. As it currently stands I say we start Coan, but if we see problems with Coan’s mobility paired with significant pressure …. Pull him for Pyne or Buchner. The bottom line is we need mobility and a quick release right now until the line improves. This should also be the message to our inept offensive coordinator. 

37 minutes ago, VCDomer said:

Boy this is tough. I see both side of this debate. I think we all agree that the Oline is pathetic (especially at left tackle) and the primary problem. Unless we can fix this, it will not much matter who takes snaps. As it currently stands I say we start Coan, but if we see problems with Coan’s mobility paired with significant pressure …. Pull him for Pyne or Buchner. The bottom line is we need mobility and a quick release right now until the line improves. This should also be the message to our inept offensive coordinator. 

This hasn’t been mentioned much but have you seen an offence that looks more vanilla than ours? No motion, no jet sweeps, 3-4 running plays, etc…. 
 

The playcalling has been horrendous and there definitely needs to be a change with Quinn and/or Rees. You can argue both men were not the top candidates and got selected because they are buddies with the coach. 

11 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

I get it’s a tough environment and all but FSU is HORRIBLE. Yes, on 6 completions it is easy to see he has loads more potential. At this point there isn’t one thing Coan does better than a slightly stronger arm… and I’m not sure if that’s even the case. Pyne has plenty of zip and looks to be more accurate. 
 

I get the shiny new toy argument but we know what Coan is and even with last years o line, he’s not getting us to a playoff. Again I ask, what’s the goal this year? If it’s to win ten games then stay with Coan, but if it’s to potentially win a title we need to go with Pyne. 

Incredibly unlikely we're winning a natty with either... 

And sorry, 6 just isn't enough for me. I'm happy to see more though.

13 hours ago, OKelleyIrish said:

Incredibly unlikely we're winning a natty with either... 

And sorry, 6 just isn't enough for me. I'm happy to see more though.

But with one we know we aren’t and with the other there is some optimism at least. I think people forget how highly Pyne was rated due to his size. 
 

I get the sample size is small but it was enough to want to see more. I understand your view is probably based on the O line but they aren’t as bad as Coan has made them seem in Pass pro. Coan has zero pocket awareness or mobility… with Pyne I think this team can make up for the inability to run block with throwing it all over the yard. 
 

 

 

17 hours ago, ndomer4 said:

This hasn’t been mentioned much but have you seen an offence that looks more vanilla than ours? No motion, no jet sweeps, 3-4 running plays, etc…. 
 

The playcalling has been horrendous and there definitely needs to be a change with Quinn and/or Rees. You can argue both men were not the top candidates and got selected because they are buddies with the coach. 

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