NDLincPark Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 The last 10+ Years, the biggest problem with the team has been the QB. Book, Wimbush, Kizer, Zaire, Golson, Reese, Crist An overall Abysmal List. They had 3 Years to sell a recruit. Come, be a true freshman, or come last year and redshirt, and then come into 2021 and be the undisputed 3 to 4 year leader for NOTRE DAME And what are they rolling into 2021 with? A top 10 team, with a 5th year QB transfer, who lost his job 2 years ago in Wisco, was a 3 star recruit, and has no future with the program. Awful planning and execution. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Welcome to DD.. I think I get your contention and totally AGREE with a QB ceiling and Under achievement in QB recruiting. I don't think the answer is to have a freshman QB 1. I don't think Jimmy Clausen did well as a freshman, I think its a reaction to Trevor Lawrence winning as a Freshman and TUA winning early. I think Oklahoma started a youngster last year but weren't quite in the final. So i'm with your idea, better quarterback selection, recruiting development but not sold on the conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, NDLincPark said: The last 10+ Years, the biggest problem with the team has been the QB. Book, Wimbush, Kizer, Zaire, Golson, Reese, Crist An overall Abysmal List. They had 3 Years to sell a recruit. Come, be a true freshman, or come last year and redshirt, and then come into 2021 and be the undisputed 3 to 4 year leader for NOTRE DAME And what are they rolling into 2021 with? A top 10 team, with a 5th year QB transfer, who lost his job 2 years ago in Wisco, was a 3 star recruit, and has no future with the program. Awful planning and execution. Maybe letting a backup throw a pass every now and then would have an impact on QB recruiting / retention. When Clemson's punter had more passes completed than ND's 2nd and 3rd string QBs combined, it does not help to attract / retain QB talent and may help explain why Jurkovec transferred to BC. (Who, BTW, some are projecting to be a projected 1st/2nd draft pick) https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft/is-phil-jurkovec-a-first-round-pick-in-the-2022-nfl-draft Edited August 17, 2021 by jbrown_9999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDhoosier Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, NDLincPark said: The last 10+ Years, the biggest problem with the team has been the QB. Book, Wimbush, Kizer, Zaire, Golson, Reese, Crist An overall Abysmal List. They had 3 Years to sell a recruit. Come, be a true freshman, or come last year and redshirt, and then come into 2021 and be the undisputed 3 to 4 year leader for NOTRE DAME And what are they rolling into 2021 with? A top 10 team, with a 5th year QB transfer, who lost his job 2 years ago in Wisco, was a 3 star recruit, and has no future with the program. Awful planning and execution. Coan lost his spot only due to injury and everyone knew that the new QB was the future for the team. Its not like Coan just lost his job one week. Most of those QBs on that list were highly regarded coming out of high school. The worst QB on that list (Crist) was a 5* QB. Wimbush was a HIGH 4*, Golson and Zaire were highly regarded as well. If I remember correctly, Kizer was ranked pretty low and he made it to the NFL while playing on a bad ND team. Crist was truly an anomaly, but the rest were decent, none were really a star/Heisman type player and that is difficult to find. Alabama QBs have been mostly game managers for the last decade throwing to 3-4 1st round WRs every year. Lawrence was a generational QB. Ohio State has really been the only school to replace an elite QB with another elite QB. I just think some have unrealistic expectations and want a Heisman QB followed by another Heisman QB. Those types of QBs are few and far between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synoptico Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Couple of thoughts 1. I dont want a freshman QB, they are the the exception, not the norm. I would rather a stud (for arguments sake, lets call him D.J. Uiagalelei), site for a year under a older qb, then play as a soph... aka, exactly what is happening with Buckner. Most freshman QBs go through growing pains. I am sure ND fans would be very understanding growing pains with a top 10 teams. 2. Can we please please start spelling Rees' name correctly. He was a three year starting QB, now is a coach and OC? How hard is it to spell correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndfanatic78 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, NDhoosier said: Coan lost his spot only due to injury and everyone knew that the new QB was the future for the team. Its not like Coan just lost his job one week. Most of those QBs on that list were highly regarded coming out of high school. The worst QB on that list (Crist) was a 5* QB. Wimbush was a HIGH 4*, Golson and Zaire were highly regarded as well. If I remember correctly, Kizer was ranked pretty low and he made it to the NFL while playing on a bad ND team. Crist was truly an anomaly, but the rest were decent, none were really a star/Heisman type player and that is difficult to find. Alabama QBs have been mostly game managers for the last decade throwing to 3-4 1st round WRs every year. Lawrence was a generational QB. Ohio State has really been the only school to replace an elite QB with another elite QB. I just think some have unrealistic expectations and want a Heisman QB followed by another Heisman QB. Those types of QBs are few and far between. People want a QB to at least be in contention to win the heisman. Not to much to ask. We haven’t had one yet In the Kelly era Edited August 17, 2021 by ndfanatic78 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ndfanatic78 said: People want a QB to at least be in contention to win the heisman. Not to much to ask. We haven’t had one yet In the Kelly era Right. I just would not expect a freshman QB to be ready to win the Heisman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain 19 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Synoptico said: Couple of thoughts 1. I dont want a freshman QB, they are the the exception, not the norm. I would rather a stud (for arguments sake, lets call him D.J. Uiagalelei), site for a year under a older qb, then play as a soph... aka, exactly what is happening with Buckner. Most freshman QBs go through growing pains. I am sure ND fans would be very understanding growing pains with a top 10 teams. 2. Can we please please start spelling Rees' name correctly. He was a three year starting QB, now is a coach and OC? How hard is it to spell correctly? It's Buchner. Tyler Buchner. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 5 hours ago, NDhoosier said: Ohio State has really been the only school to replace an elite QB with another elite QB. I just think some have unrealistic expectations and want a Heisman QB followed by another Heisman QB. Those types of QBs are few and far between. Ohio State has been the only school to replace an elite QB with another elite QB.? I guess Oklahoma's QBs must have been just average... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said: Ohio State has been the only school to replace an elite QB with another elite QB.? I guess Oklahoma's QBs must have been just average... I'll give you that Jbrown but wasn't Hurts a transfer from Bama? Was there another transfer or am I way off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I don’t think it was awful planning so much, rather the execution is the main thing. A number of those recruits mentioned, Christ, Wimbush, Golson, Zaire, were pretty highly thought of coming out of HS. They didn’t pan out for any number of reasons. It seems we now have that ideal situation with Buchner as a frosh who can sit behind Coan for a season. Hopefully, he can see some meaningful reps this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 8 hours ago, FaithInIrishForever said: I'll give you that Jbrown but wasn't Hurts a transfer from Bama? Was there another transfer or am I way off? I had written about QBs at CFP contenders. Seems relevant to this thread. Fields was a transfer at Ohio State so helps to show that it is hard to totally ignore the impact / need to use transfers for QBs. That said, ND's past QB recruiting seems to be a notch behind other CFP schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synoptico Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 12 hours ago, The Captain 19 said: It's Buchner. Tyler Buchner. ? I know. It was supposed to be a joke regarding my second point but apparently missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYGoldenDomer Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 10 hours ago, FaithInIrishForever said: I'll give you that Jbrown but wasn't Hurts a transfer from Bama? Was there another transfer or am I way off? I think he was pointing more towards Mayfield to Murry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain 19 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Synoptico said: I know. It was supposed to be a joke regarding my second point but apparently missed. I'm a little slow at times. I'm definitely not trying to be the spelling / grammer police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYGoldenDomer Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Captain 19 said: I'm a little slow at times. I'm definitely not trying to be the spelling / grammer police. You're not slow. I think you caught him and he is doubling down saying it was a joke because he got busted. The way its typed out, looks nothing like a joke to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain 19 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, NYGoldenDomer said: You're not slow. I think you caught him and he is doubling down saying it was a joke because he got busted. The way its typed out, looks nothing like a joke to me. It's all good. Doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, NYGoldenDomer said: I think he was pointing more towards Mayfield to Murry. I was pointing out that Oklahoma has probably had the best run of QBs not Ohio St as NDHoosier had stated. Oklahoma had three straight QBs who were drafted #1 overall, #1 overall, and #53 (second round). Note that they were all transfers. As a result, recruiting of high school elite QBs is not "required" to be successful but you need to be able to recruit elite college transfers at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYGoldenDomer Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said: I was pointing out that Oklahoma has probably had the best run of QBs not Ohio St as NDHoosier had stated. Oklahoma had three straight QBs who were drafted #1 overall, #1 overall, and #53 (second round). Note that they were all transfers. As a result, recruiting of high school elite QBs is not "required" to be successful but you need to be able to recruit elite college transfers at least. Ah ok I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltssb Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 2 hours ago, NYGoldenDomer said: I think he was pointing more towards Mayfield to Murry. Mayfield was a transfer from Texas Tech I believe too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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