Now that the Supreme Court made its ruling, do we know how Notre Dame plans to dominate the space?  If anyone naturally set up to own this space, it’s Notre Dame and a school like USC or Texas.  Just curious if Kelly has given any specifics anyone has heard.

Kelly said they had a plan at his last presser did not reveal it.

 

I would say the billboards are a good start. You know that the kids they put on the billboards will get compensated when they can, and it is an incredible recruiting tool. As far as I know, they are the first ones to do it. Genius!

 

 

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This could destroy the college game if it is not kept in check... Not happy about it. Free college education is more than enough.

56 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

This could destroy the college game if it is not kept in check... Not happy about it. Free college education is more than enough.

Should ADs make $1 to $2 million and coaches make $5 to $10 million while players get their free education but cannot even hold a part-time job?

While I agree that the schools should not directly pay players since they get a free ride, a player should be able to go out and market themselves on their own and collect money from that marketing if that's what they want to do.  That's a separate act than actually working for the university or performing for the university.  It's the kid's free speech which is ultimately the problem for the state schools who are subject to the constitution in that regard.

48 minutes ago, jbrown_9999 said:

Should ADs make $1 to $2 million and coaches make $5 to $10 million while players get their free education but cannot even hold a part-time job?

Yes, you seem to think college athletes are the only ones who have issues while at college. The only difference is that the student athletes get free tuition, room and board (so no debt upon graduation), and they get a food stipend (or even a diet provided to them). Time issues? All college students have that, I was busier than any of the football players while I was in the Architecture program. Money issues? What college student doesn't have money issues? I came from a middle class family and I rarely had any spending money.

6 hours ago, NDhoosier said:

Yes, you seem to think college athletes are the only ones who have issues while at college. The only difference is that the student athletes get free tuition, room and board (so no debt upon graduation), and they get a food stipend (or even a diet provided to them). Time issues? All college students have that, I was busier than any of the football players while I was in the Architecture program. Money issues? What college student doesn't have money issues? I came from a middle class family and I rarely had any spending money.

Did your activities while at that university earn that university, apparel companies, national broadcast companies, and the NCAA billions of dollars? 

Did you risk life long permanent injuries that could hinder your quality of life for the rest of it?

Were your opportunities for employment greatly limited while you were at your university do to the NCAA ruling that some jobs could be considered illegal benefits and therefore you could be ruled ineligible and lose your scholarship?

I believe that these kids deserve every cent they can. As long as we live in a system that values capital above all else how can you possibly argue against anyone being able to capture as much capital as possible in a given time when they are the most lucrative asset they will ever be. 

38 minutes ago, ndfanatic78 said:

1. Did your activities while at that university earn that university, apparel companies, national broadcast companies, and the NCAA billions of dollars? 

2. Did you risk life long permanent injuries that could hinder your quality of life for the rest of it?

3. Were your opportunities for employment greatly limited while you were at your university do to the NCAA ruling that some jobs could be considered illegal benefits and therefore you could be ruled ineligible and lose your scholarship?

4. I believe that these kids deserve every cent they can. As long as we live in a system that values capital above all else how can you possibly argue against anyone being able to capture as much capital as possible in a given time when they are the most lucrative asset they will ever be. 

1. No, which is why they are getting free tuition and I am not

2. risk life-long injury? Everyone does that every day. They are playing a sport (which I played a lot as well). Dont make sports sound like some dangerous activity... I risk life long injury driving my vehicle to the grocery store.

3. I became an employee at the college recreation center once I switched majors, had multiple college athletes working with me.

4. I am all for capitalism at a professional level. These students are not professionals, they are students, and this game can easily become a money bag pay to win league. It's not what college football should be about. It should be about teaching these young men how to become well-rounded adults instead of simple going for the cash. Even as a Notre Dame fan (which is one of the richest colleges in D1 sports), I do not want money bags/advertisement deals to be the deciding factor on college sports.

1 hour ago, ndfanatic78 said:

Did your activities while at that university earn that university, apparel companies, national broadcast companies, and the NCAA billions of dollars? 

Did you risk life long permanent injuries that could hinder your quality of life for the rest of it?

Were your opportunities for employment greatly limited while you were at your university do to the NCAA ruling that some jobs could be considered illegal benefits and therefore you could be ruled ineligible and lose your scholarship?

I believe that these kids deserve every cent they can. As long as we live in a system that values capital above all else how can you possibly argue against anyone being able to capture as much capital as possible in a given time when they are the most lucrative asset they will ever be. 

 

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34 minutes ago, NDhoosier said:

1. No, which is why they are getting free tuition and I am not

2. risk life-long injury? Everyone does that every day. They are playing a sport (which I played a lot as well). Dont make sports sound like some dangerous activity... I risk life long injury driving my vehicle to the grocery store.

3. I became an employee at the college recreation center once I switched majors, had multiple college athletes working with me.

4. I am all for capitalism at a professional level. These students are not professionals, they are students, and this game can easily become a money bag pay to win league. It's not what college football should be about. It should be about teaching these young men how to become well-rounded adults instead of simple going for the cash. Even as a Notre Dame fan (which is one of the richest colleges in D1 sports), I do not want money bags/advertisement deals to be the deciding factor on college sports.

Let's pretend that while in school perhaps working as a TA, you created a break-through energy efficient building design which earned your college $100 million a year. Let's now say that your professor negotiated a $4 million dollar annual raise due to this design. Let's also say that your Dean also received an annual salary increase of $1 million due to your building design.

Given all of the above, would you be happy with your TA stipend and free tuition?

2 hours ago, jbrown_9999 said:

Let's pretend that while in school perhaps working as a TA, you created a break-through energy efficient building design which earned your college $100 million a year. Let's now say that your professor negotiated a $4 million dollar annual raise due to this design. Let's also say that your Dean also received an annual salary increase of $1 million due to your building design.

Given all of the above, would you be happy with your TA stipend and free tuition?

100%. "Regular" students can start business, market themselves, make money. Why can't athletes? Everyone should be able to profit off themselves.

14 hours ago, tneun89 said:

100%. "Regular" students can start business, market themselves, make money. Why can't athletes? Everyone should be able to profit off themselves.

I agree to an extent, but it becomes a slippery slope when you talk about colleges using that in recruiting pitches and them being backed by the department/college.

Oregon: I'll give you a Nike brand deal worth $XXX

Notre Dame: I'll give you an Under Armour deal worth $XXX

 

That's not going out and marketing yourself, that is essentially buying a recruit.

Officially, colleges will probably not be able to broker endorsement deals. 

That said, I am not sure how you stop the local car dealership from paying the starting QB of Home State U. $XXX to use his face on a billboard. If this becomes a standing offer, then it will quickly be used for recruiting purposes (at least "off the record"). If you become the starter at QB, then Booster Autos will pay you $XXX each year you start.

 

 

ND has more $ than any Program other than Texas. I think paying athletes (within a reasonable $ amount) will be extremely beneficial to ND. 

On 6/23/2021 at 1:36 PM, jbrown_9999 said:

Officially, colleges will probably not be able to broker endorsement deals. 

That said, I am not sure how you stop the local car dealership from paying the starting QB of Home State U. $XXX to use his face on a billboard. If this becomes a standing offer, then it will quickly be used for recruiting purposes (at least "off the record"). If you become the starter at QB, then Booster Autos will pay you $XXX each year you start.

 

 

Cant you see how this could easily get out of hand (slippery slope) and not just marketing oneself for a little bit of extra cash?

I think this gives ND a HUGE advantage bC anyone can be the “Bagman” now and it is legal!

On 6/25/2021 at 7:58 PM, ELDER06 said:

ND has more $ than any Program other than Texas. I think paying athletes (within a reasonable $ amount) will be extremely beneficial to ND. 

Texas A&M, Stanford, Michigan are a few other programs with an endowment fund larger than UND. I'm not trying to be a smart ass and I get your point. UND's endowment fund is monstrous.

Just wanted to point out that there are quite a few big players out there in D1 Power 5 football with bankrolls. 

On 8/27/2021 at 11:45 PM, JTennant said:

Texas A&M, Stanford, Michigan are a few other programs with an endowment fund larger than UND. I'm not trying to be a smart ass and I get your point. UND's endowment fund is monstrous.

Just wanted to point out that there are quite a few big players out there in D1 Power 5 football with bankrolls. 

Hey JT thanks for post it made me google college endowments. I thought I knew it all about endowments…..lol. I never realized there are 16 public schools with endowments over 1 billion. Besides the public schools as you mentioned of Michigan & Texas A&M also Texas, California endowments are larger then ND and I was surprised that Duke’s as a private school was next just behind ND ( by a couple of billion)…..and I thought it was all Ivy league schools with huge endowments