Anyone else rewatch some of the key defensive plays made by Clemson from yesterday and wonder if Venables knew our playcalls? And before anyone blasts me for mentioning this when it was obvious our lines got destroyed, Brent is known for stealing signals. SO much so, that we and other teams have to resort to QB wristbands. Most lines look bad when the other team knows what's coming.

 

Some of our drives had plays where the D-linemen drove in the direction the play was going before the play had time to even go that direction. And some of these same drive-killing stops had these D-linemen in positions that were not going towards the QB or RB play but rather where these offensive players would end up.

 

I guess it really doesn't matter. I do wish that ND would utilize the same gamesmanship used against it, though. Fire up the deer antler spray! Get your binoculars out and steal some signs. Whatever helps ND win that's within reason.

 

And yes, recruit more depth on our lines!

 

Thanks for reading my far-out conspiracy theory. I would post this to Twitter but it would probably be flagged as disinformation.

That's on coaching. We should of did what VT did to them. Which I don't understand why coaches don't go back to. That is...send a guy in from the sideline.

I don' think they knew our plays as much as they knew our tendencies.

 

Clemson had the advantage of playing against ND already. They almost won despite missing a few key defense players. They had weeks to breakdown the Film and game plan. I wouldn't doubt they had several "coaching analysts" breaking down film. If they would have lost, they would of surely been out of the playoffs, so a lot was riding on the game.

 

Clemson's defense was much, much better prepared to play against ND offense the second time around to minimize what ND did the first time around. Plus they had their players back. Despite that, ND moved the ball early on. When we got down by 14, and with the defense showing no signs of being able to stop Clemson, ND lost the luxury of being able to be patient and find solutions within the confines of their ball control offense. ND is not a drop back and pass team and that is what they were forced to do down 21. I stopped watching at half time. It was over.

That's on coaching. We should of did what VT did to them. Which I don't understand why coaches don't go back to. That is...send a guy in from the sideline.

 

VT ran the ball really well early that game, but they attacked the edge instead of running right up the gut. I would’ve liked to seen a Counter or Screen to the weak side of the Defense.

VT ran the ball really well early that game, but they attacked the edge instead of running right up the gut. I would’ve liked to seen a Counter or Screen to the weak side of the Defense.

 

Me too. Kept screaming for those plays to be called

Here is a conspiracy. I will take the blame for this loss. I was dumb enough to wear my 2012 Adidas #1RISH shirt so I could save my Under Armor ND shirt for today :frusty:

Only conspiracy was who was wearing Eichenberg’s jersey. He sh!t the bed... and so did his fellow o-liners...

Here's an article with OSU head coach, Ryan Day, discussing this very conspiracy. Sound like it's not exactly a well-kept secret. Now I feel even stronger about Clemson stealing ND's signs. That's a sure disrupter right there. Would make any team look incompetent against Clemson's talent.

 

 

Asked about matching up with Clemson defensive coordinator Brent Venables, Day coyly referenced the Tigers’ well-earned and not really disputed reputation for stealing opponents’ signals. Sports Illustrated’s Pat Forde published a piece in early November about how the Tigers’ defense became so adept at stealing signs — a completely legal practice.

 

“He’s one of the best defensive coordinators in college football, and he does a great job calling the game,” Day said. “He seems to always know exactly what the other team is doing in terms of the plays that they’re running each play and seems to call the right defense into that play a lot.

 

“Why that is, I don’t really know. But I can tell you that he’s been doing it for a long time, and it’s a good challenge.”

 

Forde’s reporting characterized Clemson’s sign-stealing practice as an open secret in college football. The Tigers also are not the only program that engages in that practice.

 

Many teams also change up their signals each week regardless of their opponent. The key for the sign-stealing teams is to recognize the signs in real time, relay that information to the sideline and then have it relayed to the players on the field. It is a mixture of science and art that is ingrained in all kinds of team sports.

 

But that is also probably as close as Day will come to trash talk this week.

BK said this before the first game https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article246989212.html

 

So my thoughts are why would they not also make the adjustments the second?

BK said this before the first game https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article246989212.html

 

So my thoughts are why would they not also make the adjustments the second?

 

Clemson probably simply saw our first couple of drives and then reworked the math. Funny how our first drives were pretty successful and then it all went to hell after that.

 

This isn't Kelly's first inability to protect our play calls either. He's done it multiple times before. We've tried giant signs, ghost signals, calling from sideline, wristbands...etc. They all fail, seemingly. I chalk this up to tendencies out of base formations. It drives me nuts though as it makes ND look completely inferior when in actuality, any team would be inferior when the opposition knows the play calls. And this isn't just on offense either. This is why second half adjustments seem to help our defense tremendously. Can't we just have the ND track-and-field team run in plays and run off again under guise of trainers?

BK said this before the first game https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article246989212.html

 

So my thoughts are why would they not also make the adjustments the second?

 

Exactly right. As soon as you get a bad feeling you make that call. I blame nobody but the coach when these things happen. The same way I never blame the refs because one play should cost you the game. Unless it’s the FSU game. Then you have a gripe.

Clemson probably simply saw our first couple of drives and then reworked the math. Funny how our first drives were pretty successful and then it all went to hell after that.

 

This isn't Kelly's first inability to protect our play calls either. He's done it multiple times before. We've tried giant signs, ghost signals, calling from sideline, wristbands...etc. They all fail, seemingly. I chalk this up to tendencies out of base formations. It drives me nuts though as it makes ND look completely inferior when in actuality, any team would be inferior when the opposition knows the play calls. And this isn't just on offense either. This is why second half adjustments seem to help our defense tremendously. Can't we just have the ND track-and-field team run in plays and run off again under guise of trainers?

 

That would be my suggestion. Go old school and send in a guy from the sideline. OR, as you said, it’s a formation issue, change your formation and plays up. Mix up your tendencies a little more. That should get you through the first half evenly. Then go into the third with your regular set up. Or vice versa per half’s. Can’t be stuck with egg on your face if this is what’s happening.

Sign stealing certainly happens...its not a conspiracy theory...i dont know if that happened in this case or if it was just familiarity since we played before...but i would encourage measures to be taken just to be safe,,,,

 

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Seems like OSU has planned for this and the Clemson D is scrambling with miscommunication, the downfall of relaying on stealing signs.