irishrush Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardo Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) Weird that he just received a medical scholarship... Edited August 26, 2020 by Dardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domer Dude Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 It was clear ND had too many recievers and getting down to 85 would involve 1 or 2. The medical allow him to stay with team and train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey Irish Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 A 4-star coming in who never ascended the depth chart despite trying a few different positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardo Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 It doesn't seem ****** to anyone else that ND was trying to get him off the scholarship count by saying he was too injured to play college football, and now he is transferring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAFA03_HUGENDFAN Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 It doesn't seem ****** to anyone else that ND was trying to get him off the scholarship count by saying he was too injured to play college football, and now he is transferring? Somewhat agree with. It’s not ideal but if he was given the option to continue his education for free via a medical “cut” from the team or transfer in order to still play ball somewhere then it’s a fair business decision by the coaches to get the best 85 players on scholarship. Maybe at first he thought the degree from ND was more important than trying to play a sport he is most likely finished with after college. After a short period of time he had a change of hear and figured the opportunity to play outweighed the degree. I think this will be a standard practice in the future to get the best personnel on the roster. If that means better success on the field and those “cut” still have their education covered then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 It doesn't seem ****** to anyone else that ND was trying to get him off the scholarship count by saying he was too injured to play college football, and now he is transferring? He could be hurt and still want to transfer. I would hope ND wouldn’t resort to sleazy tactics just to clear a roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltssb Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 He could be hurt and still want to transfer. I would hope ND wouldn’t resort to sleazy tactics just to clear a roster spot. I feel like I’m in this landscape you could probably get by on numbers to a degree. How can the NCAA really punish you when you have a kid who is undecided on playing. One moment he’s afraid and doesn’t want to play, fall camp comes and he maybe feels safer and wants to come back. I don’t think the NCAA and all their sloppiness in the past really want lawsuits from college athletes on whether to play or not. Just my opinion though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 He could be hurt and still want to transfer. I would hope ND wouldn’t resort to sleazy tactics just to clear a roster spot. It must be merely coincidence that each year the number of medical waivers seems to always match the exact number of spots that ND is over the 85 person limit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 It must be merely coincidence that each year the number of medical waivers seems to always match the exact number of spots that ND is over the 85 person limit All I’m saying is it’s not impossible he’s legitimately hurt and still wants to transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Regardless, it doesn’t matter. He’s the only author of his fate. If he didn’t want to be forced out, he should’ve risen to the challenge. And if he’s honest with himself, ge’ll see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaverIrish Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 He could be hurt and still want to transfer. I would hope ND wouldn’t resort to sleazy tactics just to clear a roster spot. Why would he do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Why would he do that? IDK. Maybe he had some season ending injury and was ready to transfer anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardo Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Regardless, it doesn’t matter. He’s the only author of his fate. If he didn’t want to be forced out, he should’ve risen to the challenge. And if he’s honest with himself, ge’ll see that. Half this board has bitched and moaned about how Bama grey shirts and runs kids that aren’t good enough out of town. Now ND is seemingly doing it and it’s his fault? IDK. Maybe he had some season ending injury and was ready to transfer anyway? Why is ND putting kids with season ending injuries on a medical scholarship, essentially ending his ND career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 All I'm saying is that if you find yourself in a situation like that...being the 86th guy...it's on you. You either didn't work hard enough to be better or you have to be honest with yourself that you've simply hit your ceiling and aren't the caliber that is required. It's fine to not be as good as desired. You just have to be honest with yourself about it and say, either, next time I'll work harder or you know what, I gave it my all and this is simply the best I have... Regardless, you have to be honest with yourself and accountable to the consequences. They could switch him to an academic schollie and let him stay in school, just not play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardo Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 All I'm saying is that if you find yourself in a situation like that...being the 86th guy...it's on you. You either didn't work hard enough to be better or you have to be honest with yourself that you've simply hit your ceiling and aren't the caliber that is required. It's fine to not be as good as desired. You just have to be honest with yourself about it and say, either, next time I'll work harder or you know what, I gave it my all and this is simply the best I have... Regardless, you have to be honest with yourself and accountable to the consequences. They could switch him to an academic schollie and let him stay in school, just not play. It's weird that the 18 year old kid needs to be "accountable" but Brian Kelly and the University does have to be accountable back. They offered Robertson a 4 year football scholarship. Not a "you didn't turn out how we thought so now you're off the team" scholarship. We as ND fans love to suck our own dicks talking about a 40 year decision and all that, all while doing the same stuff that the "football factories" we lament do. We don't get to play the moral high ground card when stuff like this is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Gruene Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 It's weird that the 18 year old kid needs to be "accountable" but Brian Kelly and the University does have to be accountable back. They offered Robertson a 4 year football scholarship. Not a "you didn't turn out how we thought so now you're off the team" scholarship. We as ND fans love to suck our own dicks talking about a 40 year decision and all that, all while doing the same stuff that the "football factories" we lament do. We don't get to play the moral high ground card when stuff like this is happening. Nice language! Help me understand. I honestly don’t know. Did Notre Dame offer this kid a chance to complete his education at ND at no cost to him? Did they tell him he can continue at ND, pay nothing, but just don’t play football? That’s very different than gray-shirting. My understanding of that, and I may be wrong, is that those kids are on a series of one year scholarships. The scholarship may be revoked at any time. If his scholarship is revoked the player may stay enrolled at the university, and even play on the team, but he has to pay full fare for the privilege. Am I wrong in how I’m understanding this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 This roster trimming is essential to build depth and he can still graduate. There can be no more Bruce Heggies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtLeastMySisWasIrish Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Nice language! Help me understand. I honestly don’t know. Did Notre Dame offer this kid a chance to complete his education at ND at no cost to him? Did they tell him he can continue at ND, pay nothing, but just don’t play football? That’s very different than gray-shirting. My understanding of that, and I may be wrong, is that those kids are on a series of one year scholarships. The scholarship may be revoked at any time. If his scholarship is revoked the player may stay enrolled at the university, and even play on the team, but he has to pay full fare for the privilege. Am I wrong in how I’m understanding this? You are correct. Scholarships are renewed annually and if a player is deemed by the staff to have a medical condition preventing them from playing, the school has the discretion of placing the player on Medical Hardship and convert the scholarship to Academic allowing them to graduate though prevented from playing their sport. Perfectly acceptable and implemented by every program competing at the D1 level. The player initially chose to take this route though had a change of mind/heart and elected to transfer. It will now become the responsibility of the new school to determine if the player is medically cleared to play. In Robertson's case, he clearly did not see a path to increased playing time and made a decision he felt was in his best interest. It's not a complicated issue and ND did nothing wrong in taking their actions, nor did Robertson do anything wrong and saw the talent coming in was going to prevent him from seeing the field on a consistent basis. Posters can attempt to change the narrative but your take is correct and simply time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Nice language! Help me understand. I honestly don’t know. Did Notre Dame offer this kid a chance to complete his education at ND at no cost to him? Did they tell him he can continue at ND, pay nothing, but just don’t play football? That’s very different than gray-shirting. My understanding of that, and I may be wrong, is that those kids are on a series of one year scholarships. The scholarship may be revoked at any time. If his scholarship is revoked the player may stay enrolled at the university, and even play on the team, but he has to pay full fare for the privilege. Am I wrong in how I’m understanding this? That’s what I do not understand. Again, I’m hoping ND wouldn’t sink to dishonorable tactics like pushing a kid off scholarship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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