Over the last few years, people regularly state that NDs quarterbacks are not getting better but regressing either from year to year or during the season itself. (I'm not agreeing or disagreeing - not the purpose of this thread.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but it started with Golson. I don't recall people saying their predecessors (Quinn, Clauson, or Rees) regressed; many people thought Rees was just not good to begin with. The claims started with Golson, then reached Kaiser, then hit Wimbush this year. I find it curious that the three that regressed did so after working with QB "guru" George Whitfield. Kelly gets heat for not developing these quarterbacks, yet no one has even mentioned anything about these QBs working with Whitfield and what effect, if any, his involvement may have contributed to their subsequent years. I don't know much about Whitfield and haven't studied his roster to see if there are others that fit this pattern. Quick research indicates he worked with successful QBs (Roethlisberger, Newton), but he also worked with Cardale Jones after he led OSU to the NC and before he got benched the following season. Do Kelly and Whitfield have different philosophies or give different instruction so that a player who has 2 QB coaches has none? Are there too many messages rolling around in the QBs head? Does anyone have a take on this?

I think that it really is a lack of continuity with the qb coaches. We have had three in the last four years. I don’t even remember who we had before dan lefuer.

I don't think its Whitfield.

 

I think its the difference Kelly expected from year 1 to year 2.

 

In year 1, It was a check with me, I'll call it as the coach from the sideline, system.

 

In year 2, it seems like you call it QB and I expect you to own it.

I don't think its Whitfield.

 

I think its the difference Kelly expected from year 1 to year 2.

 

In year 1, It was a check with me, I'll call it as the coach from the sideline, system.

 

In year 2, it seems like you call it QB and I expect you to own it.

 

This ^. Kelly always talks about his qb's riding in the bus and driving the bus. They were always better riding in the bus.

IMO, this trend in regressing QBs started with Crist, then to Golson, Hendrix, Zaire, Kizer, and now Wimbush. Even Rees regressed a little, if you look at his stats

 

The typical progression (or regression) goes as follows, more or less:

 

Step 1: Backup QB fills in for starter at the end of the season because starter has regressed over the season

Step 2: Backup QB does well and shows glimpses of a bright future

Step 3: QB controversy ensues

Step 4: Kelly ultimately goes with the QB that did well to close out last season

Step 5: Said QB starts to regress as the season goes on

Step 6: Repeat step 1

 

If history is any indicator, expect Book to end up starting next season, only for Davis/Jurkovic to start in the last game and/or the mid-tier bowl game. Rinse and repeat

Edited January 16, 20187 yr by Franco

Oh, I’d also point out that we’ve managed to develop a LOT of “armchair quarterbacks” under Kelly, as well.

Oh, I’d also point out that we’ve managed to develop a LOT of “armchair quarterbacks” under Kelly, as well.

 

Great observation.

 

Domer Domain is repository for all the 5* armchair QB's. Even if they come in as 3*'s they manage to develop to 5* in no time at all. Talk about development!

 

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After playing NC State, teams learned how man up against our O - making ND pass.

 

Wimpish needs to work on mechanics to be consistent so he can hit receivers in stride, in the seems, etc. He needs the confidence to make the difficult throws and not need a wide open receiver. This will come with time.

Wimpish needs to work on mechanics to be consistent so he can hit receivers in stride, in the seems, etc. He needs the confidence to make the difficult throws and not need a wide open receiver. This will come with time.

 

Hasn't Wimbush had three years in the program? How much more time does he need to be able to hit a receiver in stride??

Hasn't Wimbush had three years in the program? How much more time does he need to be able to hit a receiver in stride??

 

Wimbush started his QB career later in high school and doesn't have years of experience before coming here. Really just played QB his junior and senior year. He hasn't be groomed since birth like Darnold. If he had been I think Wimbush would be a freak.

 

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/brandon-wimbush/1jpDU_TsEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm

Wimbush started his QB career later in high school and doesn't have years of experience before coming here. Really just played QB his junior and senior year. He hasn't be groomed since birth like Darnold. If he had been I think Wimbush would be a freak.

 

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/brandon-wimbush/1jpDU_TsEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm

 

Then we probably shouldn't have recruited him if he was gonna need an additional 2 or 3 years beyond the 4 you get in college to get a handle on the position.