How high do you think it is? I thought he looked pretty darn good in the bowl, especially when you consider he probably had very limited first team reps. I have a tough time seeing the others beat him out, more first team reps will do wonders for him.

 

Personally I think he could end up a more mobile version of Case Keenum and I think his floor is above where Rees was at his best.

He will run, so his Ceiling is higher than Rees he was 74 percent completion in the bowl game, so if you ask me he has to start.

How high do you think it is? I thought he looked pretty darn good in the bowl, especially when you consider he probably had very limited first team reps. I have a tough time seeing the others beat him out, more first team reps will do wonders for him.

 

Personally I think he could end up a more mobile version of Case Keenum and I think his floor is above where Rees was at his best.

 

Wimbush missed some practice time during the bowl game lead up. That and how quickly bk put him in the game tells me he got his share of reps. They even moved davis off the scout teams so they were prepared to move beyond brandon.

 

Like many of kellys qbs, they find early success with their feet and as time goes on they stop running and the sacks pile up.

 

Book seems to have that sam darold gene in that he can move on from mistakes. I hope kelly makes him the spring starter and see if brandon can take it away from him. Dont repeat the crist and rees battle where you start the wrong qb because he was the bigger name or the kizer/zaire circus where kelly knew all along he wanted kizer but couldn't man up.

Wimbush missed some practice time during the bowl game lead up. That and how quickly bk put him in the game tells me he got his share of reps. They even moved davis off the scout teams so they were prepared to move beyond brandon.

 

Like many of kellys qbs, they find early success with their feet and as time goes on they stop running and the sacks pile up.

 

Book seems to have that sam darold gene in that he can move on from mistakes. I hope kelly makes him the spring starter and see if brandon can take it away from him. Dont repeat the crist and rees battle where you start the wrong qb because he was the bigger name or the kizer/zaire circus where kelly knew all along he wanted kizer but couldn't man up.

 

at least we have Chip Long who knows how to make life for an easy accurate passer, That 4th quarter was beautifully called.

Hard to tell after relatively few game reps but I think he's further from his ceiling than BW. I think Wimbush already is at his and Book has room to grow. He just strikes me as calmer in the pocket and more decisive. If he were a couple, few inches taller it would probably be a no brainer.

Dunno. Back-up QB is the most popular guy on the team. Book can do some things, but it's still in limited game time, and he does make mistakes. I still firmly believe after 8 years of this, with various QB's with a variety of talents, the problem is the offenseive scheme and coach.

One thing that stood out to me watching Kizer player in the fiesta bowl against Ohio state was his unwillingness to throw to open tight ends in the middle of the field.

 

One thing that’s abundantly apparent on tv is that Book is willing to make the throws Wimbush won’t attempt.

 

Why is this? Is it risk adversion by the quarterback? Is it slow play recognition by the quarterback? I don’t know, would love to get Faith’s take on why.

 

One thing I think hurts our passing game with Wimbush is his incredible running. He’s less inclined to attempt a difficult pass when he feels more confident in his legs.

 

With that said, I think after 3 quarterback coaches in three years, plus a year on the scout team last year (not two years ago), Wimbush has a lot more overhead for growth.

 

However, Avery Davis is going to surprise people. He was an elite 11 quarterback, meaning his arm talent is there. And he’s built. I’m going to be really excited to see him this spring and see if he can genuinely challenge Wimbush/Book.

He will run, so his Ceiling is higher than Rees he was 74 percent completion in the bowl game, so if you ask me he has to start.

 

May I ask why you made a comparison to tommy?

I thought coming into ND that Rees was a fairly good comparison for Book, but that is not accurate. Book has a stronger arm and can run, so in reality they really have nothing in common besides the mental aspect.

 

I think a better comparison is probably Golson. Golson’s arm was probably a tad stronger, but Book’s ability to run is underrated.

May I ask why you made a comparison to tommy?

 

Not Me!

 

Rees is the worst starting QB that I have seen at ND. Before anyone brings up his passing percentage, consider his 5-10 yard passes to very good receivers.

Also, how many times did he take a sack instead of throwing the ball away. He would run out of bounds and take a loss rather than throwing it away.

Because of his abilities, the playbook was very skinny and that made him predictable.

People said that Kelly was late getting the play in but that was not the case, Rees couldn`t understand the plays until his senior year. And then he never got them down 100%.

As a coach, Wimbush regressed. What will he do to Book?

Golson has a cannon. His arm was several levels above Book.

Not Me!

 

Rees is the worst starting QB that I have seen at ND. Before anyone brings up his passing percentage, consider his 5-10 yard passes to very good receivers.

Also, how many times did he take a sack instead of throwing the ball away. He would run out of bounds and take a loss rather than throwing it away.

Because of his abilities, the playbook was very skinny and that made him predictable.

People said that Kelly was late getting the play in but that was not the case, Rees couldn`t understand the plays until his senior year. And then he never got them down 100%.

As a coach, Wimbush regressed. What will he do to Book?

 

I recall wimbush throwing the ball away a lot.

One thing that stood out to me watching Kizer player in the fiesta bowl against Ohio state was his unwillingness to throw to open tight ends in the middle of the field.

 

One thing that’s abundantly apparent on tv is that Book is willing to make the throws Wimbush won’t attempt.

 

Why is this? Is it risk adversion by the quarterback? Is it slow play recognition by the quarterback? I don’t know, would love to get Faith’s take on why.

 

 

I've had the same thoughts.

 

Kizer never really had much touch. Throwing deep was his bread and butter.

 

I thought wimbush was just terrified of throwing an int. When he had a man deep with no safety help he would over throw him. Why? Because overthrowing in that scenario has no chance of being picked off. Trying to be accurate and perhaps being a little short brings an int into play.

 

The same is true for his crossing routes etc. He almost seems to want to avoid a pick over being accurate

Drew Brees: stature, composure, accuracy, touch and vision. He dies st times make a bad decision but relative to the amount of playing time it’s not a problem that can’t be fixed.

One thing that stood out to me watching Kizer player in the fiesta bowl against Ohio state was his unwillingness to throw to open tight ends in the middle of the field.

 

One thing that’s abundantly apparent on tv is that Book is willing to make the throws Wimbush won’t attempt.

 

Why is this? Is it risk adversion by the quarterback? Is it slow play recognition by the quarterback? I don’t know, would love to get Faith’s take on why.

 

One thing I think hurts our passing game with Wimbush is his incredible running. He’s less inclined to attempt a difficult pass when he feels more confident in his legs.

 

With that said, I think after 3 quarterback coaches in three years, plus a year on the scout team last year (not two years ago), Wimbush has a lot more overhead for growth.

 

However, Avery Davis is going to surprise people. He was an elite 11 quarterback, meaning his arm talent is there. And he’s built. I’m going to be really excited to see him this spring and see if he can genuinely challenge Wimbush/Book.

 

Any word on how he looked in practice this year? I loved his high school tape, he could definitely be an x-factor.

One thing that stood out to me watching Kizer player in the fiesta bowl against Ohio state was his unwillingness to throw to open tight ends in the middle of the field.

 

One thing that’s abundantly apparent on tv is that Book is willing to make the throws Wimbush won’t attempt.

 

Why is this? Is it risk adversion by the quarterback? Is it slow play recognition by the quarterback? I don’t know, would love to get Faith’s take on why.

 

One thing I think hurts our passing game with Wimbush is his incredible running. He’s less inclined to attempt a difficult pass when he feels more confident in his legs.

 

With that said, I think after 3 quarterback coaches in three years, plus a year on the scout team last year (not two years ago), Wimbush has a lot more overhead for growth.

 

However, Avery Davis is going to surprise people. He was an elite 11 quarterback, meaning his arm talent is there. And he’s built. I’m going to be really excited to see him this spring and see if he can genuinely challenge Wimbush/Book.

 

Agree with your analysis but still feel Wimbush has the highest ceiling of all. Coaches will straighten him out in off season and agree Davis could be the surprise of the spring and surpass Book, who serviceable and good for a spot start here and there, but not a season-long starter once teams get enough tape on him.

I am not so sure that the coaches will be able to fix Wimbush. Here is my thoughts and impressions. Brandon seems to lack confidence to make the necessary plays during the game. I don't believe he has the field vision that is also necessary. Brandon regressed throughout the season and his passing accuracy never improved. He does not have the touch that Book seems to have. Book was given ample practice time prior to the bowl game. Coach said as much. Book impressed me with his decision making and being able to move on from mistakes and make plays with his arm going forward. Wimbush seems to actually freeze up in his decision making after something bad happens. Book has just enough mobility to get out of situations and make plays outside of the pocket. Obviously he would never be featured as part of the running game that Wimbush would or Kizer for that matter. But, what I have seen from Book is that he can make the throws that we need to get down the field and he does not have the tentativeness that Wimbush has. Book's ceiling is much higher than Wimbush. It's not even close.

I recall wimbush throwing the ball away a lot.

 

 

Rees was the one who didn`t like to throw the ball away. The same reason he would run out of bounds behind the LOS for a loss rather than throw it away was to protect his passing percentage.

Rees was the one who didn`t like to throw the ball away. The same reason he would run out of bounds behind the LOS for a loss rather than throw it away was to protect his passing percentage.

 

My bad. Thanks

Any word on how he looked in practice this year? I loved his high school tape, he could definitely be an x-factor.

 

I wouldn't count on davis. Despite his AAA performance don't sleep on phil.

 

If brandon wants to play, i think it's up to him to get the he needs. Imo kelly has moved on.

 

Book is still a low rated recruit which means the fans aren't going to be very tolerent of him having bad outings.

 

I think grad transfer could still be in play as well as phil getting the call early in the season.

I wouldn't count on davis. Despite his AAA performance don't sleep on phil.

 

If brandon wants to play, i think it's up to him to get the he needs. Imo kelly has moved on.

 

Book is still a low rated recruit which means the fans aren't going to be very tolerent of him having bad outings.

 

I think grad transfer could still be in play as well as phil getting the call early in the season.

 

This reminds me of Davie, who one year would recruit an athletic, mobile QB like Arnaz Battle and the next a passing QB like Tom Krug.

 

For the good of the program, I hope they redshirt Jurkovec. He'll benefit from a year gaining weight/muscle and adjusting to the speed of the game.

Edited January 14, 20187 yr by Frankus