This question is usually asked so I thought I would give a rundown of each commits top 5 offers. It is one way people like to determine how good a guy is.

 

Here we go: (etc simply means you could argue other ones belong in the top 5 and there are plenty offers that are considered great)

 

Allen - Bama, Clemson, Georgia, OSU, Oklahoma (etc)

 

Jurkovec - Bama, Clemson, OSU, PSU, MSU (etc)

 

Austin - Clemson, Florida, Michigan, Miami, OSU (etc)

 

Simon - Michigan, OSU, PSU, Stanford, Wisconsin (etc)

 

Lamb - Oklahoma, PSU, Oregon, TCU, Washington (etc)

 

Jayson Ademilola - Bama, Clemson, Georgia, OSU, PSU (etc)

 

Stepp - Miami, USC, Georgia, LSU, Michigan (etc)

 

Bauer - MSU, PSU, West Virginia, Virgnia, ISU

 

Takacs - FSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Oregon (etc)

 

Oghoufo - Michigan, MSU, Boston College, ISU, Indiana

 

Dirksen - ISU, Kentucky, MSU, Northwestern (ND makes 5)

 

Jones - MSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Iowa

 

Porter - Bama, Georgia, UCLA, Utah, ASU (etc?)

 

Franklin - Wisconsin, VT, Louisville, Northwestern, BC (etc?)

 

Smith - USC, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Louisville, Nebraska (etc)

 

Justin Ademilola - Bama, Clemson, Georgia, Michigan, LSU (etc)

 

Mabry - Cincinnati, Colorado State, Memphis, Indiana (ND makes 5)

 

Wilkins Jr. - NC State, Louisville, ISU, MSU, South Carolina (etc)

 

Moala - Iowa, Nebraska, Vanderbilt, Utah State, Western Michigan

Thanks Vegas, I probably put more credence into this than rankings because these talent evaluators have jobs on the line for getting it wrong.

 

With that said, our class has some great offers, but the offensive line is weaker than I realized. 2 commits, one with no major offers and another with less than 5 offers from mid-tier big programs.

 

I looked back through and all we have left from 2015 is another guy with similar offers. The oline will be fine (very good) next year if Bars and Mutispher come back. But looking ahead to 2019, that puts some real stress on the two deep, possibly forcing another situation like this year where a true freshman is playing.

 

Need another recruit or two on the oline.

Thanks Vegas, I probably put more credence into this than rankings because these talent evaluators have jobs on the line for getting it wrong.

 

With that said, our class has some great offers, but the offensive line is weaker than I realized. 2 commits, one with no major offers and another with less than 5 offers from mid-tier big programs.

 

I looked back through and all we have left from 2015 is another guy with similar offers. The oline will be fine (very good) next year if Bars and Mutispher come back. But looking ahead to 2019, that puts some real stress on the two deep, possibly forcing another situation like this year where a true freshman is playing.

 

Need another recruit or two on the oline.

 

Nicholas Petit-Frere is a must get for this class. Also look out for Luke Jones. If he is offered, I would be surprised if he is not NDs.

Offers are one data point and can definitely be telling, but keep in mind not all situations are equal. Some kids more actively seek out offers than others, some commit early and shut down communication with other schools , some only seek out schools with a particular academic or geographic trait, some are considered a lock to go to a school so it is not worth the effort for other schools to pursue them, some offers are not commitable, etc.

Offers are one data point and can definitely be telling, but keep in mind not all situations are equal. Some kids more actively seek out offers than others, some commit early and shut down communication with other schools , some only seek out schools with a particular academic or geographic trait, some are considered a lock to go to a school so it is not worth the effort for other schools to pursue them, some offers are not commitable, etc.

 

Absolutely. Was just providing some info to the forum.

Surprised Shayne Simon didn't get more attention from the SEC considering he plays with the Ademilola twins. He is a fringe Top 100 player but mostly has Big Ten offers (great offers though - OSU, Michigan, PSU, etc.).

 

Same thing with Jack Lamb. He is a Top 100 player and I believe voted the best LB at The Opening. Surprised he did't have higher PAC 12 offers (USC, UCLA, Stanford, etc.).

 

I also thought Bo Bauer would also have a better list considering his ranking.

 

I wonder if Justin Ademilola got all of his offers due to being Jayson's brother or if those teams see something in him that the recruiting services don't (consensus 3 star). I feel like he is underrated by most considering the season he has had for the best team in New Jersey.

The OL recruiting is mind boggling. Those were two early commits that were unneceasry.

 

Games against the really good teams are won in the trenches. ND is never going to be able to recruit DL on par with Bama, Clemson, OSU, etc. on a yearly basis so they better be able to make up for it with elite OL. It seemed like the staff understood that up until this year.

Edited November 19, 20177 yr by JoeBrasco

The OL recruiting is mind boggling. Those were two early commits that were unneceasry.

 

Games against the really good teams are won in the trenches. ND is never going to be able to recruit DL on par with Bama, Clemson, OSU, etc. on a yearly basis so they better be able to make up for it with elite OL. It seemed like the staff understood that up until this year.

 

Staffs top target this whole cycle has been Petit-Frere, and they have a really good shot to land him. Cade Mays has a visit planned for November, and if they offer Luke Jones they probably land him. It’s not all doom and gloom. Let the process play out. Remember, a lot of their guys develop under HH too. The Martin brothers are a good example. Dirksen is a solid get.

Staffs top target this whole cycle has been Petit-Frere, and they have a really good shot to land him. Cade Mays has a visit planned for November, and if they offer Luke Jones they probably land him. It’s not all doom and gloom. Let the process play out. Remember, a lot of their guys develop under HH too. The Martin brothers are a good example. Dirksen is a solid get.

 

 

They lost Hoge and the bus puller to transfer, McG and Nelson gone and so far they have Mabry and Dirksen as replacements.

 

This is actually a REAL problem.

 

Mabry will likely never play, whereas Dirksen may play.

 

Worst o-line recruiting in like forever. And I personally don’t see Jones being the answer either.

 

Simply put HH has been off in this recruiting cycle up to this moment

Nice info Vegas and thanks for taking the time. Like some. I tend to prefer who the kids if offered by rather than 'Sites' who rate kids by attending their camps, or other high profile T-shirts and shorts venues. The other interesting take is the programs which offer a kid and compare to what we do at ND...academics, style for both offense and defense, do they develop kids with a res shirt program etc. Anyhow, nice work.

They lost Hoge and the bus puller to transfer, McG and Nelson gone and so far they have Mabry and Dirksen as replacements.

 

This is actually a REAL problem.

 

Mabry will likely never play, whereas Dirksen may play.

 

Worst o-line recruiting in like forever. And I personally don’t see Jones being the answer either.

 

Simply put HH has been off in this recruiting cycle up to this moment

 

Transfers are not always a bad thing. Boudreaux was simply never gonna play a down at ND and was pushed out by default. Hoge was a behind a guy for 3+ years. The staff brought in Hainsey, Lugg, Banks and Gibbons last year and absolutely love the first 3. The staff also really likes Dirksen and were on him early.

 

Like I said, it could be a real problem if they don’t land Frere or Mays, but the sky is certainly not falling in SB along the OL. The 2018 class overall was not very good for the OL around the country. The 2019 class is much better and ND is in great shape with a ton of high level prospects.

 

Next years OL has a ton of talent. Eichenberg (High level 4 to 5 Star player), Kraemer (same), Lugg (best OL at the Army All-American Game (top 100

Type), Banks (4star), Mustipher (3 year starter and 4 Star), Bars (assuming he returns was a high level 4 star and 3 year starter), Hainsey (top 100

Player and freshman starter). Let the rest of the class play out before we say it was a bad OL recruiting class.

Transfers are not always a bad thing. Boudreaux was simply never gonna play a down at ND and was pushed out by default. Hoge was a behind a guy for 3+ years. The staff brought in Hainsey, Lugg, Banks and Gibbons last year and absolutely love the first 3. The staff also really likes Dirksen and were on him early.

 

Like I said, it could be a real problem if they don’t land Frere or Mays, but the sky is certainly not falling in SB along the OL. The 2018 class overall was not very good for the OL around the country. The 2019 class is much better and ND is in great shape with a ton of high level prospects.

 

Next years OL has a ton of talent. Eichenberg (High level 4 to 5 Star player), Kraemer (same), Lugg (best OL at the Army All-American Game (top 100

Type), Banks (4star), Mustipher (3 year starter and 4 Star), Bars (assuming he returns was a high level 4 star and 3 year starter), Hainsey (top 100

Player and freshman starter). Let the rest of the class play out before we say it was a bad OL recruiting class.

Two injuries at o-line next year and 8-4 will be a dream.

Two injuries at o-line next year and 8-4 will be a dream.

 

Honestly, I’d be more worried about the actual starting five more so than the lack of depth. Same could be said this year if they lost 2 starters, and probably even more so.

Honestly, I’d be more worried about the actual starting five more so than the lack of depth. Same could be said this year if they lost 2 starters, and probably even more so.

 

Absolutely.

Last year ND was 4-8 with

 

McG Nelson Mustipher Bivin Bars

 

This year 4 of those starters came back and played well

 

 

Next year they lose McG and Nelson (two of the best OL in the Nation) and bring back Mustipher who has been solid, Bars who has been good, the combo of Kraemer and Hainsey who have been good. Eichenberg will step up and play one of the Tackle spots.

 

That line has potential but nothing guaranteed. And little depth behind it. This year they had one guaranteed depth player, Hainsey/Kraemer and a potential guy in Eichenberg.

 

Next year it’s Lugg and Banks who are huge question marks.

 

It’s the following season where it could really be an issue. Losing Mustipher and Bars with Lugg and Banks needed to fill their spots, who’s left? And that line is only potential at this point. It maybe a struggling group to begin with.

 

HH can’t whiff this year. He needs Npf or Mays

The OL recruiting is mind boggling. Those were two early commits that were unneceasry.

 

Games against the really good teams are won in the trenches. ND is never going to be able to recruit DL on par with Bama, Clemson, OSU, etc. on a yearly basis so they better be able to make up for it with elite OL. It seemed like the staff understood that up until this year.

 

For what it's worth, per a study a few years ago, OL is the position where the recruiting star rating is the least reliable indicator of college success.

 

I would also guess that it has the highest percentage of fifth year seniors being first time starters.

Bauer and Ovie probably land a few more offers if they don't commit to ND early and showed no wavering.

 

OL does need to land another guy, preferably a big name. I think Dirksen is a player. He broke his leg last year and missed a bunch of time. He will be a nice OC or OG I think. Mabry is a stretch. I really like Luke Jones from Arkansas, kids film is pretty good and quite athletic. Overall, 2018 isn't a great class for OL types at ND. 2019 will be a load up but they will be a little thin next year.

Edited November 20, 20177 yr by Big23Head

Like Vegas said they will do very well with next year's o line class, they'll be fine if this one is down a bit which it won't be if they get npf

Eichenberg - Kraemer - Mustipher - Bars - Hainsey is a very talented line. While Kraemer is not Nelson, he is much better suited for guard. His play will only go up.

 

Back ups to that line are Lugg, Banks, Gibbons, Ruhland, possibly Byrne, Dirksen, Mabry and most likely one more freshman. Lugg and Banks are probably just as good as the starters to be quite honest as well.

 

Eichenberg, Kraemer and Hainsey along with Lugg and Banks should create a really stable line for the next 2-3 years coupled with with 2018/2019 classes.

Eichenberg - Kraemer - Mustipher - Bars - Hainsey is a very talented line. While Kraemer is not Nelson, he is much better suited for guard. His play will only go up.

 

Back ups to that line are Lugg, Banks, Gibbons, Ruhland, possibly Byrne, Dirksen, Mabry and most likely one more freshman. Lugg and Banks are probably just as good as the starters to be quite honest as well.

 

Eichenberg, Kraemer and Hainsey along with Lugg and Banks should create a really stable line for the next 2-3 years coupled with with 2018/2019 classes.

 

I think you missed what happened when Stanley left for the nfl and McG stepped into his spot.

 

Losing two first round picks and replacing them with far lesser talent WILL CAUSE ISSUES.

 

And to cause further issues, this o line recruiting class is less than average to date.

 

And last point, nobody has a clue how well Lugg or Banks will turn out.

I think you missed what happened when Stanley left for the nfl and McG stepped into his spot.

 

Losing two first round picks and replacing them with far lesser talent WILL CAUSE ISSUES.

 

And to cause further issues, this o line recruiting class is less than average to date.

 

And last point, nobody has a clue how well Lugg or Banks will turn out.

 

Including you...they may be all Americans or they may be bums...relax, drink a beer and stop stressing about things you have no control over

I think you missed what happened when Stanley left for the nfl and McG stepped into his spot.

 

Losing two first round picks and replacing them with far lesser talent WILL CAUSE ISSUES.

 

And to cause further issues, this o line recruiting class is less than average to date.

 

And last point, nobody has a clue how well Lugg or Banks will turn out.

 

I never said the group will be as good as this years group. I even started it out by saying Kraemer is not Nelson.

 

I do, however, believe the starting five I mentioned plus Lugg and Banks have a really good chance to be a solid core. It’s always gonna be hard to replace two first rounders regardless of the talent behind them.