Give credit where credit is due

Wake Forest knew how best to attack our defense (elko) and even if it was not a plan it was effective

I can see how they were so successful against Louisville

 

The very quick tempo led by their very quick QB with few runs besides QB runs and lots of short passes really worked well

 

They moved the ball WAAY better then Georgia/NCstate or USC

 

It wasn't us just being FLAT not at all---they showed us something different they executed well , and did very well

I expect to see them in a bowl game and winning more games

 

We should EXPECT short quick passes to be on the deck after Miami watches the tape

 

IMO though Wake needed that really QUICK QUICK QB to make that work I don't know if any further opponents can do something real similar?

 

aloha

It was effective, but I think the defense in general just came out flat today. Even when they did not run the hurry up offense, our defense could not seem to stop it.

 

As impressive as the defense has been this year, I will give them a mulligan, but they cannot play like this again... except for maybe Navy (but I prefer they do not).

Give credit where credit is due

Wake Forest knew how best to attack our defense (elko) and even if it was not a plan it was effective

I can see how they were so successful against Louisville

 

The very quick tempo led by their very quick QB with few runs besides QB runs and lots of short passes really worked well

 

They moved the ball WAAY better then Georgia/NCstate or USC

 

It wasn't us just being FLAT not at all---they showed us something different they executed well , and did very well

I expect to see them in a bowl game and winning more games

 

We should EXPECT short quick passes to be on the deck after Miami watches the tape

 

IMO though Wake needed that really QUICK QUICK QB to make that work I don't know if any further opponents can do something real similar?

 

aloha

 

Spot on, Hawaii. The WF QB was starting his 41st game they said. Very experienced, he worked their game plan to perfection. It helped that the defense had its worst tacking day since BVG was canned. Thought Elko need to make some adjustments early but his guys never executed them. Some of that was due to the QB, who, even though his best WR was out, made things happen.

I wished we employed those quick hit passes. We did it with will fuller and he would get huge yac. Might be ideal for sanders.

Give credit where credit is due

Wake Forest knew how best to attack our defense (elko) and even if it was not a plan it was effective

I can see how they were so successful against Louisville

 

The very quick tempo led by their very quick QB with few runs besides QB runs and lots of short passes really worked well

 

They moved the ball WAAY better then Georgia/NCstate or USC

 

It wasn't us just being FLAT not at all---they showed us something different they executed well , and did very well

I expect to see them in a bowl game and winning more games

 

We should EXPECT short quick passes to be on the deck after Miami watches the tape

 

IMO though Wake needed that really QUICK QUICK QB to make that work I don't know if any further opponents can do something real similar?

 

aloha

 

NC State employed a similar offense with quick hitting passes. We adjusted the game plan to shut that down; why couldn't we do it against WF?

If I`m not mistaken, this was the finals this week. It is always very stressful plus i think they miss practice a couple days.

Correct me if I am wrong.

If I`m not mistaken, this was the finals this week. It is always very stressful plus i think they miss practice a couple days.

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

Maybe some midterms. My son who's a sophomore didn't have any exams this week but does next week.

Finley for Nc state was 17 for 37 Franco----our pressure confused him all day---rush a few that confused him rush more that pressured him---it really was the control of their QB that made that game pretty easy for our defense

 

Wolford I think his name was for wake was 28 for 45 with some good runs including the TD run

 

Our pressure DID NOT affect him much---he was much quicker back there then the NC guy---got rid of the ball super fast, very shifty--the tempo when they were moving the ball was downright HECTIC--and he ran it kinda perfectly that day.

 

So I don't think it was some systemic failure in our defense---I think WAKE just got the better of the match up when they moved ultra fast....

 

I am sure Stanford is not that kind of team.....Miami I don't know , but apparently the MIAMI QB has had a couple of sub par days and they still won , so whatever their thing and I guess its DEFENSE, I doubt they can exploit the same things wake did..

 

All in all, its credit due IMO to wake, their OC, and their nifty little QB....

 

It is true though that running all those plays and so fast, they ended up giving us far more possessions then normal, that was never going to work out well for them despite the success they did have....

 

Miami we will bring our best defense I am confident of that....

 

Offense will have to be up for the task , against Georgia early they didn't bring enough at all....hopefully MIAMI late will be a different story

 

 

aloha

I don't know if this was said in any of the other threads, but we ran pretty vanilla looks on D. Watching Miami it looks like they run very similar RPO formations as Wake. Once we got up a few scores, I wonder if we wanted to not show any tendencies for next week.

Maybe some midterms. My son who's a sophomore didn't have any exams this week but does next week.

 

Thanks for the info.

No pressure because experienced QB was getting rid of the ball in 2 seconds or less. Not enough time to get pressure. Keep in mind, in 1st half, ND's CBs played tight and jumped some routes. Score was 31-10 at half. I know it wasn't garbage time, but WF's damage was done mostly when the game was no longer in doubt. Not ideal by any means, but I don't think we should look at the 2nd half performance as a precursor to the demise of ND's defense.

Finley for Nc state was 17 for 37 Franco----our pressure confused him all day---rush a few that confused him rush more that pressured him---it really was the control of their QB that made that game pretty easy for our defense

 

Wolford I think his name was for wake was 28 for 45 with some good runs including the TD run

 

Our pressure DID NOT affect him much---he was much quicker back there then the NC guy---got rid of the ball super fast, very shifty--the tempo when they were moving the ball was downright HECTIC--and he ran it kinda perfectly that day.

 

So I don't think it was some systemic failure in our defense---I think WAKE just got the better of the match up when they moved ultra fast....

 

I am sure Stanford is not that kind of team.....Miami I don't know , but apparently the MIAMI QB has had a couple of sub par days and they still won , so whatever their thing and I guess its DEFENSE, I doubt they can exploit the same things wake did..

 

All in all, its credit due IMO to wake, their OC, and their nifty little QB....

 

It is true though that running all those plays and so fast, they ended up giving us far more possessions then normal, that was never going to work out well for them despite the success they did have....

 

Miami we will bring our best defense I am confident of that....

 

Offense will have to be up for the task , against Georgia early they didn't bring enough at all....hopefully MIAMI late will be a different story

 

 

aloha

 

I honestly think our defense just had an off game...it happens

I wished we employed those quick hit passes. We did it with will fuller and he would get huge yac. Might be ideal for sanders.

 

I was watching their quick plays & eating up 6yds a pop & couldn’t help to think about their play as a sort of blue print. I REALLY wish we had standout TE threat

I don't know if this was said in any of the other threads, but we ran pretty vanilla looks on D. Watching Miami it looks like they run very similar RPO formations as Wake. Once we got up a few scores, I wonder if we wanted to not show any tendencies for next week.

 

Good eye. I felt like we got vanilla even before 3 score lead.. I didn't see many opportunities for our defensive backs to drive on a ball and get another pick after our first INT, so I was wondering if there was some schematic nuance that's way over my head or if Elko felt the best way was to play safe because of a chess match with his old HC.

 

Who knows. I'm not that worried going into Miami that we'll have another let down.

Let’s not forget Watkins s didn’t play much if at all.

 

As someone said, we were jumping routes in the first half and then laid back in the second.

 

Their qb was very seasoned and as Wimbush said, runs pretty much the same defense as Elko. So he is used to seeing what we had.

 

The qb Was very good at holding that ball forever and then pulling it out and hitting the man on the slant.

 

We didn’t play well or get up for this game but lots of little things caused this score. We have to be better. Bama wouldn’t allow this type of yardage and score to a OK team.

 

Hawaii, you are definitely right on one thing, our o-line needs to come out and own the line of scrimmage. They can’t just get settled in like Georgia. I think they have four senior d-linemen all could be drafted in the first four rounds. Guys need to max out on weight or whatever this week or hit the sleds hard. Whatever needs to be done to own the line of scrimmage.

Let’s not forget Watkins s didn’t play much if at all.

 

As someone said, we were jumping routes in the first half and then laid back in the second.

 

Their qb was very seasoned and as Wimbush said, runs pretty much the same defense as Elko. So he is used to seeing what we had.

 

The qb Was very good at holding that ball forever and then pulling it out and hitting the man on the slant.

 

We didn’t play well or get up for this game but lots of little things caused this score. We have to be better. Bama wouldn’t allow this type of yardage and score to a OK team.

 

Hawaii, you are definitely right on one thing, our o-line needs to come out and own the line of scrimmage. They can’t just get settled in like Georgia. I think they have four senior d-linemen all could be drafted in the first four rounds. Guys need to max out on weight or whatever this week or hit the sleds hard. Whatever needs to be done to own the line of scrimmage.

 

Not exactly the same, but Alabama did allow Colorado St to score 23 points and get almost 400 yards on them, which is better than they did vs. Colorado or Wyoming. Gave them two late TD's to make the margin only 18, similar to ND, up by 25, win by 11.

 

Wake Forest does have the #2 passing offense by S&P, so it isn't like they've never put up points before.

 

In reality, how excited would you be on defense up 31-10 at halftime in the cold mist and still up 25 well into the 4th quarter?

The Wake kid had a faster releae than Finley. That being said, we played pretty vanilla in the second half. It looked like 7 on 7 practice. I expect us to dial up more blitzes against Miami.

Not exactly the same, but Alabama did allow Colorado St to score 23 points and get almost 400 yards on them, which is better than they did vs. Colorado or Wyoming. Gave them two late TD's to make the margin only 18, similar to ND, up by 25, win by 11.

 

Wake Forest does have the #2 passing offense by S&P, so it isn't like they've never put up points before.

 

In reality, how excited would you be on defense up 31-10 at halftime in the cold mist and still up 25 well into the 4th quarter?

 

With every post you make, you make me feel better and better about this Saturday lol

In reality, how excited would you be on defense up 31-10 at halftime in the cold mist and still up 25 well into the 4th quarter?

 

I think this is it right here. The defense did their part in the first half and left the offense to clean up. 27 points in the second half, that isn't a half time adjustment by Wake, that was our defense deciding to spend the rest of the game thinking about what they might like to buy on QVC.

I think this is it right here. The defense did their part in the first half and left the offense to clean up. 27 points in the second half, that isn't a half time adjustment by Wake, that was our defense deciding to spend the rest of the game thinking about what they might like to buy on QVC.

 

Or what the victory dinner is going to be that night.

Not exactly the same, but Alabama did allow Colorado St to score 23 points and get almost 400 yards on them, which is better than they did vs. Colorado or Wyoming. Gave them two late TD's to make the margin only 18, similar to ND, up by 25, win by 11.

 

Wake Forest does have the #2 passing offense by S&P, so it isn't like they've never put up points before.

 

In reality, how excited would you be on defense up 31-10 at halftime in the cold mist and still up 25 well into the 4th quarter?

 

Love it! If I remember correctly, that qb was also very seasoned like Wakes was. I think he even led the league in completion percentage at the time of playing Bama. So, yes, this is very similar with games Cory. Good job.