and 0 in last 6, I did not realize this. Went to NCAA defensive stats to look at defenses for OU/OSU and had not realized that ND had accomplished this.

 

I remember in 2012 when ND had not given up a rushing TD until the OU game. It was talked about heavily. Not so much this year (at least I hadn't heard).

 

So not only do we give up the least amount of points per game (also have the largest MOV per game) we have given up the least amount of rushing TD's in the nation.

 

Also 3rd in T.O. margin in FBS (PSU, Miami)

 

This defense is special. What a turnaround.

 

It is stuff like this that will help us get in against a conference champ that is not as well balanced, imo.

 

SIAP in some other more comprehensive thread.

Good stat. The lowest for the last 10 years is 3, West Virginia in 2010 and Alabama 2011. ND is second with 4 in 2012. Most seasons 5-6 is the national leader.

 

I think you may be a bit off on some of the other stats though.

 

ND is 10th in scoring defense at 16.1 points per game.

 

They are 6th in scoring margin at +24.1 points per game. Even if you just use victories, they are at 28.0 which puts them behind a few teams still.

 

I also see ND as 7th in TO margin, not 3rd.

Good stat. The lowest for the last 10 years is 3, West Virginia in 2010 and Alabama 2011. ND is second with 4 in 2012. Most seasons 5-6 is the national leader.

 

I think you may be a bit off on some of the other stats though.

 

ND is 10th in scoring defense at 16.1 points per game.

 

They are 6th in scoring margin at +24.1 points per game. Even if you just use victories, they are at 28.0 which puts them behind a few teams still.

 

I also see ND as 7th in TO margin, not 3rd.

 

Yes, you're correct on scoring defense and margin (although I don't count teams that are not p5--I said FBS before, I meant p5-- so they would be fifth). My bad.

 

In T.O margin, I took out the p5 teams. Yeah, that's my guideline because I don't think stats of p5 teams should be added in with non-P5.

 

Still all pretty good though.

Yes, you're correct on scoring defense and margin (although I don't count teams that are not p5--I said FBS before, I meant p5-- so they would be fifth). My bad.

 

In T.O margin, I took out the p5 teams. Yeah, that's my guideline because I don't think stats of p5 teams should be added in with non-P5.

 

Still all pretty good though.

 

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.

Blah, putting on my scorned ND fan hat:

 

While that stat excites me to no end, I'm just a little hesitant to buy into it 100%. As you noted above, we had a similar stat line in 2012 where Alabama then proceeded to take that stat and shove it down our throats lol

People need to quit bringing up 2012, that was a totally different team. Take away Nix, Tuitt and KLM or even one of those guys and teams would have been running the football at will.

 

The 2012 linebackers were very good but they lacked speed which we saw in that game. This group we have might be fastest linebacker group in all of college football. We're going three deep on the line this year, when Nix missed the first half of Pitt they ran wild.

People need to quit bringing up 2012, that was a totally different team. Take away Nix, Tuitt and KLM or even one of those guys and teams would have been running the football at will.

 

The 2012 linebackers were very good but they lacked speed which we saw in that game. This group we have might be fastest linebacker group in all of college football. We're going three deep on the line this year, when Nix missed the first half of Pitt they ran wild.

 

So you're saying take away our 3 best lineman and teams would be running the ball at will? You don't say?

 

And none of our current Lbs are faster than Teo.

 

This years defense has been successful because of scheme coupled with talent. The success of the 2012 defense was talent alone....

So you're saying take away our 3 best lineman and teams would be running the ball at will? You don't say?

 

And none of our current Lbs are faster than Teo.

 

This years defense has been successful because of scheme coupled with talent. The success of the 2012 defense was talent alone....

 

Well right after if you read I said even take one away, remember Pitt when we lost Nix and we couldn't stop the run. This line can lose 2-3 guys and the drop off might not even be noticeable.

 

I don't know what games you watched but Teos knock had always been that he's slow. Hes slower than Nyles, Drue, Asmar and Coney no doubt about it. You saw Teo get exposed by faster teams like the 2011 USC game and Bama.

So you're saying take away our 3 best lineman and teams would be running the ball at will? You don't say?

 

And none of our current Lbs are faster than Teo.

 

This years defense has been successful because of scheme coupled with talent. The success of the 2012 defense was talent alone....

 

Te'o ran a 4.82 at the combine. That's not fast at all for a LB. Not even top 15 in any combine that I can get results for other than 2010 and it would have been 14th. He was extremely instinctual and a great player, but "fast" doesn't really describe him. He really benefitted from having Nix and Tuitt chew up double teams so he could run free.

 

I'm not sure Morgan is faster than Te'o, but Coney certainly is. Tranquil is a different position so I'm not sure that counts.

Edited November 3, 20177 yr by corysold

Well right after if you read I said even take one away, remember Pitt when we lost Nix and we couldn't stop the run. This line can lose 2-3 guys and the drop off might not even be noticeable.

 

I don't know what games you watched but Teos knock had always been that he's slow. Hes slower than Nyles, Drue, Asmar and Coney no doubt about it. You saw Teo get exposed by faster teams like the 2011 USC game and Bama.

 

Beahahahaha WHAT???

 

Teo got exposed against Bama because he was the only elite talent we had behind the line. Bama cracked our DL with their insane OL and RB corps. And he was a little rattled after being drug thru the mud about his fake gf.

 

You're insane if you think theres a single LB on this current team who is faster/better from a reactive standpoint ....

 

I shouldn't need to remind you that he was a Heisman candidate. As a defensive player. With over 100 tackles and 7 interceptions. How many do we have this year??

 

If Manti was part of this year's team...with talent surrounding him and Elko coaching...we'd have the best defense in CFB hands down...

 

Gtfo...

Edited November 3, 20177 yr by echo88

Beahahahaha WHAT???

 

Teo got exposed against Bama because he was the only elite talent we had behind the line. Bama cracked our DL with their insane OL and RB corps. And he was a little rattled after being drug thru the mud about his fake gf.

 

You're insane if you think theres a single LB on this current team who is faster/better from a reactive standpoint ....

 

I shouldn't need to remind you that he was a Heisman candidate. As a defensive player. With over 100 tackles and 7 interceptions. How many do we have this year??

 

If Manti was part of this year's team...with talent surrounding him and Elko coaching...we'd have the best defense in CFB hands down...

 

Gtfo...

 

I really am starting to think you come here just to play Devils advocate to posts just for the hell of it. Never did I say any linebacker here was better than Teo, I was also pretty vocal that I believed he deserved the Heisman over Manziel.

 

Yeah he's better but again your crazy if you think Manti is faster than Coney or Morgan. Manti might be better at everything than these guys other than speed. If you really think Manti is faster than Coney or Morgan just watch tape from this year and 2012.

Edited November 3, 20177 yr by ndomer4

I really am starting to think you come here just to play Devils advocate to posts just for the hell of it. Never did I say any linebacker here was better than Teo, I was also pretty vocal that I believed he deserved the Heisman over Manziel.

 

Yeah he's better but again your crazy if you think Manti is faster than Coney or Morgan. Manti might be better at everything than these guys other than speed. If your really gonna say Manti is faster than Coney or Morgan your nuts.

 

Ok man. Apparently winning relegates our fans to myopic retardation. When Coney/Morgan get to chase down RBs from Bama all night in January, while surrounded by comparable talent on their team and amazing defensive coaching, you go ahead and compare them....

 

Teo had neither....

People need to quit bringing up 2012, that was a totally different team. Take away Nix, Tuitt and KLM or even one of those guys and teams would have been running the football at will.

 

I can't believe how often I'm agreeing with Echo lately. Just "take them away"? I'll just take away Jordan and Pippen and the Bulls have zero titles. I know it's not apples-to-apples, but how is this a scenario?

I can't believe how often I'm agreeing with Echo lately. Just "take them away"? I'll just take away Jordan and Pippen and the Bulls have zero titles. I know it's not apples-to-apples, but how is this a scenario?

 

Yeah and the part you forgot to bold right after where I say one of those guys. Then point out the Nix situation vs Pitt but sure go ahead and select a few words from the post.

 

The point is that team had zero depth, we never rotated guys because they weren't good enough. This team uses 6 different pass rushers and they are all getting the job done.

Ok man. Apparently winning relegates our fans to myopic retardation. When Coney/Morgan get to chase down RBs from Bama all night in January, while surrounded by comparable talent on their team and amazing defensive coaching, you go ahead and compare them....

 

Teo had neither....

 

Coney and Morgan both run a 4.6 and Teo ran a 4.8. Great player but speed was not his forte.

I can't believe how often I'm agreeing with Echo lately. Just "take them away"? I'll just take away Jordan and Pippen and the Bulls have zero titles. I know it's not apples-to-apples, but how is this a scenario?

 

Its not a scenario. 2012 was a very talented team, but they were still hamstrung by BK with mediocre assistants and huge talent gaps in certain positions....

 

This year's team is finally leveraging the talent we recruit because they have decent position coaching and because BK has seemingly left his ego at the door.

 

From a talent standpoint, 2012 had a far better DL and LB (Teo), but that talent ended up wasted. This year's defense is complete and functioning on all levels because of Elko.

Coney and Morgan both run a 4.6 and Teo ran a 4.8. Great player but speed was not his forte.

 

Straight line speed can be measured. Reaction to a play and the efficacy that follows cannot.

Manti's asset wasn't speed, it was his football intelligence/ability to read and react to a play plus know his assignment. You could have all the athleticism in the world but that means squat if you fail at the above or take bad angles when closing on a play. I've seen it time and again.

 

Those are undervalued traits at the college level. They don't always translate well to the pros but that is a different story. He had/has good fundamental knowledge of the game when it comes to football.

Straight line speed can be measured. Reaction to a play and the efficacy that follows cannot.

 

You time stamped me by *thiiiiis* much.

Straight line speed can be measured. Reaction to a play and the efficacy that follows cannot.

 

I think Manti was so smart he knew the play before it happened. I've never seen an Irish linebacker run sideline to sideline like Coney and Morgan have been doing this year.

Manti's asset wasn't speed, it was his football intelligence/ability to read and react to a play plus know his assignment. You could have all the athleticism in the world but that means squat if you fail at the above or take bad angles when closing on a play. I've seen it time and again.

 

Those are undervalued traits at the college level. They don't always translate well to the pros but that is a different story. He had/has good fundamental knowledge of the game when it comes to football.

 

Hes a once in a lifetime talent and we were just unlucky enough to have him around when there were too many gaps and coaching that was subpar...

 

I don't care what he did (or didnt do) in the NFL because thats a very different game. At the college level, every D1 team wouldve given away their top 3 players to have Teo behind their DL....